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'Nowhere near close:' U.S. rebuffs Trudeau

Conil

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What a clown, a good deal is on the table. LOL

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, left, threw cold water on any talk of a quick resolution to outstanding NAFTA issues after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said a 'good deal' is on the table
The United States declared the NAFTA countries were nowhere close to a deal, in a statement Thursday designed to douse expectations that an agreement might be just a few minor adjustments away.
It rebuffed an effort from Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, and several high-ranking staffers who were in the U.S. on Thursday urging a quick deal.

U.S. trade czar Robert Lighthizer rejected the idea that an agreement was within imminent reach. He cited big differences on intellectual property, agriculture, online purchases, energy, labour, rules of origin and other issues.
"The NAFTA countries are nowhere near close to a deal.... There are gaping differences," Lighthizer said in an evening statement.
"We of course will continue to engage in negotiations, and I look forward to working with my counterparts to secure the best possible deal for American farmers, ranchers, workers, and businesses."

All three countries agreed that they would keep negotiating beyond Thursday, a date that had been presented as a procedural deadline for getting a deal to the U.S. Congress for a vote this year.
The reason Canada, Mexico and some in the U.S. want a deal wrapped up has to do with creating certainty, in terms of business confidence, and to settle the process before elections in Mexico and the U.S. stall progress until next year.
Some fear delay will add political unpredictability, since many of the politicians now involved will no longer be in politics next year: Mexico will have a new administration, the U.S. will have a new Congress after midterm elections, and several senior American lawmakers are retiring.

Trudeau had spent the day promoting the idea that an agreement was now within reach.

Trudeau says 'we're close to a deal'
Trudeau received a call from U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday night in which they discussed the NAFTA negotiations, but a readout provided by the prime minister's office did not include any details.
Canada's case lay on a strand of seemingly linear logic. Canada's argument went that if the U.S. claims to be reopening NAFTA specifically to deal with its trade deficit, and if the leading cause of that trade deficit with Mexico involves autos, and if the autos issue is almost solved, then the Americans could walk away right now with a win.

"We are close to a deal," the prime minister said in New York. "We are down to a point where there is a good deal on the table."
Trudeau admitted to being unsure whether a deal would take days, weeks, or be put off indefinitely. In any case, he said he was ready to keep negotiating: "We'll keep working until they shut off the lights."
Trudeau drew another public contradiction Thursday — this one from Mexico.

The Mexican government scolded the prime minister over an element of the sales pitch he delivered in New York: Trudeau argued that the autos changes would help the U.S. by bringing back some Mexican jobs.
In the midst of a presidential election campaign in that country, and facing its own political pressures at home, the Mexican government publicly challenged Canada's prime minister.
"A clarification is necessary," Mexican Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo tweeted. "Any renegotiated NAFTA that implies losses of existing Mexican jobs is unacceptable."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-nowhere-near-close-1.4668556
 

mandrill

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You cheering for the Americans against your own country, Conil.

Quite the Canadian, aren't you?!
 

essguy_

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Trump’s trade negotiations have descended into bad joke territory. Trying to keep track of his threats and inevitable backtracks is almost impossible. And as always, with Trump - he has no alternative plan when he threatens to cancel or actually does cancel a deal. I think the only people who still believe that Trump is a “master negotiator” are his dimwitted fans.
 

Frankfooter

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Trump’s trade negotiations have descended into bad joke territory. Trying to keep track of his threats and inevitable backtracks is almost impossible. And as always, with Trump - he has no alternative plan when he threatens to cancel or actually does cancel a deal. I think the only people who still believe that Trump is a “master negotiator” are his dimwitted fans.
Totally, the Iran moves have turned into total disaster, Japan and China are looking at trade war tariffs, the EU is turning away, NAFTA won't happen. There are no trade successes for Trump.
 

bver_hunter

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Trump is an enemy of Canada in all his trade regulations and tariffs. Yet these right wingers passionately support this lunatic moron.
 

Boober69

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Trump is an enemy of Canada in all his trade regulations and tariffs. Yet these right wingers passionately support this lunatic moron.
We sent a boy to do a man's job.
It's not about supporting Trump or not.
It's about incompetence on Canada's gov't side.
 

Boober69

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The best tactic with Trump is to delay and then start over after he's impeached.
ah yes, the liberal dream of impeaching the person who they didn't like after winning the election.
Perhaps keep dreaming my friend.

And while you're at it, perhaps dream of a day that Canada doesn't have a camp-councillor as their prime minister.
 

Boober69

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Trump is an enemy of Canada in all his trade regulations and tariffs. Yet these right wingers passionately support this lunatic moron.
He's doing what's best for his country.
If only we had a leader that thought the same way rather than dressing up in costumes and embarrassing us (and them) while pretending he knows what's going on in the real world.
 

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You have NO IDEA what Trudeaus motives were. It is possible he wanted to speak through the press directly to Trump and he base to say that Canada is ready to agree if they feel they need a "win" before the election. It also puts some pressure on Litezingher to reveal what his objections are publicly (which he has done) so the Canadian negotiators can get him to commit publicly what his position is. Being refuted by some Trump stooge is not at all a humiliation for Trudeau, he can pick up the phone anytime and speak to Trump directly if he wishes.
 

bver_hunter

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We sent a boy to do a man's job.
It's not about supporting Trump or not.
It's about incompetence on Canada's gov't side.
If Trudeau is a "boy" to you, then Trump is a "baby" when it comes to understanding the basics of trade and negotiations.
No doubt he is set to screw up a number of the states that trade with Canada and Mexico.
Canada is set to increase it's trade with the EU that was recently negotiated and is already benefitting Canada. We know that you worship that Trump dude, but again he wants to wage a trade war with numerous countries including Canada. Hopefully, he is impeached sooner rather than later.
 

bver_hunter

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He's doing what's best for his country.
If only we had a leader that thought the same way rather than dressing up in costumes and embarrassing us (and them) while pretending he knows what's going on in the real world.
You are brainwashed into thinking that he is doing the "best for his country". It is more like the DSA (Divided States of America). There is more hate groups coming out of their egg shells.
I would rather take a leader dressed up in costumes, rather than one that preaches hate among various races and religions, and derogatory statements like "shitholes", "animals" and "fine guys among all sides".
This costumes nonsense that you are fixated on, is now water under the bridge as Trudeau's popularity has once again soared in the polls. If you prefer voting for that moron called Trump, then go and live in the USA!!
 

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You are brainwashed into thinking that he is doing the "best for his country". It is more like the DSA (Divided States of America). There is more hate groups coming out of their egg shells.
I would rather take a leader dressed up in costumes, rather than one that preaches hate among various races and religions, and derogatory statements like "shitholes", "animals" and "fine guys among all sides".
This costumes nonsense that you are fixated on, is now water under the bridge as Trudeau's popularity has once again soared in the polls. If you prefer voting for that moron called Trump, then go and live in the USA!!
So basically you just used the ol' "If you don't like it leave" comment.

That's the usual stance of intolerant people......
 

bver_hunter

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So basically you just used the ol' "If you don't like it leave" comment.

That's the usual stance of intolerant people......
The intolerance is on the part of the right wingers who cannot stand our Prime Minister although he was fairly elected with a majority of the popular votes among all the parties. So, if they prefer a President who has been the biggest clown on the international scene and will never be in charge of Canada, then they have to move to the USA if they want to live under his reign. Unless you think that Trump can take charge here in Canada??
 

essguy_

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Trump's policies are NOT in the best interests of his country. (That's if you can even call them policies - they're more like random twitter rants which force his Administration to craft last minute policies to conform to the idiot kings rants).

Trump does not have any policies. What he has done is cancel a bunch of Obama initiatives with absolutely NOTHING to replace them. Trump's only accomplishment is the tax bill, which is stereotypically GOP (i.e. the Swamp loves it). Selling tax cuts to a GOP majority in Congress is probably the easiest taxk for any U.S. President. And the result is 10 years of Trillion dollar deficits (This is by Trump's own numbers). EVERYTHING else Trump has done is just the work of a child. He has NO replacement plans for anything he's cancelled. His Trade rants have been a joke and the U.S. has backed down !00% in every case. So after all the fire and fury - all Trump's done is make himself look like an idiot, culminating in his wanting to get back into TPP, and his reversal of the ZTE sanctions. He is a total joke and has damaged the U.S.'s reputation as a trusted trading partner (even for Canada) and has reduced the U.S. standing and reputation.
 

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The intolerance is on the part of the right wingers who cannot stand our Prime Minister although he was fairly elected with a majority of the popular votes among all the parties.
Really? Where were the right wing anti-Trudeau marches and rallies? I must have missed them. What color are the the Canadian "resistance" wearing? Where is the movement to investigate Trudeau to have him removed from office? How about the theories that he only won because of foreign interference (who he colluded with)? Is there ANY evidence of a challenge to Trudeau's legitimacy as prime minister or ANY evidence of remarkable intolerance to him finishing his term as PM? No, there isn't.

Canadians elected Trudeau. Now, Canadians who have been paying attention to his performance as PM should replace him at their next opportunity.
 

bver_hunter

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Really? Where were the right wing anti-Trudeau marches and rallies? I must have missed them. What color are the the Canadian "resistance" wearing? Where is the movement to investigate Trudeau to have him removed from office? How about the theories that he only won because of foreign interference (who he colluded with)? Is there ANY evidence of a challenge to Trudeau's legitimacy as prime minister or ANY evidence of remarkable intolerance to him finishing his term as PM? No, there isn't.

Canadians elected Trudeau. Now, Canadians who have been paying attention to his performance as PM should replace him at their next opportunity.
Yes you did miss the Anti-Trudeau marches by the mainly right wing racists:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/anti-...tors-clash-in-toronto-four-arrested-1.3643059

So, go on let's hear your excuses for these extreme right wing racists.

You are delusional about "collusion", due to being a Trumptard Cult Follower? Which Canadian Intelligence Agency like CSIS for example even mentioned collusion by the Trudeau Government with any foreign nation? The FBI /CIA definitely found evidence of it, and that is why they started the Mueller investigation. Now you get it??

Canadians elected Trudeau - absolutely and 100% right. The Canadian economy is doing great, and the latest opinion polls rate Trudeau the best of the leaders of any political party in Canada.
The Trump regime is trying hard to create stumbling blocks with their tariffs and other trade barriers on Canadian products. In other words he is a sworn enemy of Canadian products and services. Yet you guys adore him. Ridiculous!!
 

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Really? Where were the right wing anti-Trudeau marches and rallies? I must have missed them. What color are the the Canadian "resistance" wearing? Where is the movement to investigate Trudeau to have him removed from office? How about the theories that he only won because of foreign interference (who he colluded with)? Is there ANY evidence of a challenge to Trudeau's legitimacy as prime minister or ANY evidence of remarkable intolerance to him finishing his term as PM? No, there isn't.

Canadians elected Trudeau. Now, Canadians who have been paying attention to his performance as PM should replace him at their next opportunity.
Plug, do you think the real reason behind all that you say is that Canadians actually like Trudeau more than Americans like Trump?
 

JohnLarue

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Really? Where were the right wing anti-Trudeau marches and rallies? I must have missed them. What color are the the Canadian "resistance" wearing? Where is the movement to investigate Trudeau to have him removed from office? How about the theories that he only won because of foreign interference (who he colluded with)? Is there ANY evidence of a challenge to Trudeau's legitimacy as prime minister or ANY evidence of remarkable intolerance to him finishing his term as PM? No, there isn't.

Canadians elected Trudeau. Now, Canadians who have been paying attention to his performance as PM should replace him at their next opportunity.
Well said
Why anyone thought that his last name & experience as a drama teacher were suitable qualifications is still a mystery.

He should have said nothing until the deal was in hand & an acknowledgement from the clown in Washington
Just like he should have gotten a pipeline built before outright killing one proposal and had the bureaucrats kill the other.
He should have consulted some external economists before attacking the small business owners in Canada
He should have consulted some external economists before talking trade with China or India with strings attached
He should have hired a butler who knows how to dress a head of state
He should have created a plan to get back to budget

not one piece of business friendly legislation & investment dollars are flying out of Canada

he has apologized a lot & spent a lot if one is looking for a somewhat brighter picture

The liberals with Jean & Paul Martin took the middle road & did not embarrass us and most importantly paid attention to the economic side of the equation
 

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I’m not sure what all the scoffing is about here, beyond the usual anti-Trudeau rhetoric.

Trudeau said “there’s a good deal on the table.” Does anyone believe that Trump won’t use the same spin when he misses his own self-imposed deadline, and has to table a deal Mexico won’t sign after their election?

Where is the movement to investigate Trudeau to have him removed from office? How about the theories that he only won because of foreign interference (who he colluded with)?
It’s absurd that anyone, Republican or Democrat, would still use a term like “theory” at this juncture to describe Russian meddling in the US election.

Are there actual credible theories that he only won because of the foreign influence? Anything I’ve read at-best supposes it’s a possibility, but it’s literally unprovable.

The absurdity that a little orange man has dragged 1/3 of the country down his witch hunt hole is tragic and telling.

If his team didn’t conspire with foreign agents to meddle in a US election, so be it. Trump says he’s innocent, I honestly hope he’s proven right.

Regardless, an unfriendly foreign actor did meddle in a US election, and it seems like the only people who don’t find this troubling are Trump-supporters. Would they care more if someone reminded them there’s no “do-over” risk here?
 
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