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http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/media/media-trump-animals-immigrants/index.html

The New York Times tweeted, "Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting, calling those trying to breach the country's borders 'animals.'" A headline on the homepage of The Washington Post on Thursday morning read, "Trump refers to some undocumented immigrants as 'animals.'"

The context of Trump's comments were clearly taken out of context. He was referring to MS-13 gang members. A ruthless gang who murders, rapes, assaults and traffics humans. But in Democrats minds they are simply undocumented immigrants. Check out Pelosi's comments

"Does he not believe in the spark of divinity, the dignity and worth of every person?" Pelosi asked. "Calling people animals is not a good thing."

At least Jake Tapper at CNN called out the media for acting irresponsibly. One of the few rational voices in the realm of Fake News.
 

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The difference between quality and garbage journalism is that sources like AP have the chutzpah to admit to their mistakes. How often have infowars, breitbart ir even faux admitted they mistakenly took a quote out of context?
 

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The WH is trying to cover for yet another racist comment by Trump.
Only in a twisted news world would offering facts be considered cover.....
 

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Only in a twisted news world would offering facts be considered cover.....
Well the fact is, that Trump is so seldom coherent that what he intended to say and what he said, are often at odds. Here's the original:

the OP's source said:
"There could be an MS-13 member I know about -- if they don't have a certain threshold, I cannot tell [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] about it," [Sheriff] Mims said.
Speaking immediately after Mims, Trump said, "We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in -- and we're stopping a lot of them -- but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals. And we're taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before."
. "People, people, people people", with nary a mention of MS-13.

He later <sarcasm> clarified </sarcasm>, saying:
the Blaze said:
“Yeah, well it has nothing to do with this meeting, but I’m referring to and you know I’m referring to the MS-13 gangs that are coming in and I was talking about the MS-13, and if you look a little bit further on in the tape you’ll see that, so I’m actually surprised you’re asking this question because most people got it right.”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...s-comment-and-doesnt-back-down-to-the-outrage
His considerably more articulate spokeswoman later claimed he was "clearly" referring to the unnamed MS-13, but offered no fact (like that bit "…further on in the tape", to illustrate that clarity, or support that judgment, only gory details about the gang itself.

No one disputes their barbarity. But whatever the PotUS intended to say about them, the facts clearly show he failed to get that across. Now he's blaming the messengers for reporting what he said and they heard.

Otherwise known as facts.
 

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The difference between quality and garbage journalism is that sources like AP have the chutzpah to admit to their mistakes. How often have infowars, breitbart ir even faux admitted they mistakenly took a quote out of context?
Yep AP is definitely a quality news organization


The Leftist media agenda is to post biased, out of context, inflammatory etc stories on the Trump administration to get the message out. retweets and likes in the thousands yet corrections never ever get the same attention so the fake news story stays in circulation

Also MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, ABC,NBC etc have yet to correct their reporting on Trumps comments! So I assume these are what Managee calls "garbage journalism"

Only CNN's Tapper and AP corrected.
 

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Only in a twisted news world would offering facts be considered cover.....
Only a twisted mind would consistently try to defend trumps words and/or actions.
 

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http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/media/media-trump-animals-immigrants/index.html

The New York Times tweeted, "Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting, calling those trying to breach the country's borders 'animals.'" A headline on the homepage of The Washington Post on Thursday morning read, "Trump refers to some undocumented immigrants as 'animals.'"

The context of Trump's comments were clearly taken out of context. He was referring to MS-13 gang members. A ruthless gang who murders, rapes, assaults and traffics humans. But in Democrats minds they are simply undocumented immigrants. Check out Pelosi's comments

"Does he not believe in the spark of divinity, the dignity and worth of every person?" Pelosi asked. "Calling people animals is not a good thing."

At least Jake Tapper at CNN called out the media for acting irresponsibly. One of the few rational voices in the realm of Fake News.
Unbelievable!! MS-13 are one of the most violent gangs around that decapitate people, Trump is damn right to call them animals. Enough with this politically correct bullshit !
 

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Only a twisted mind would consistently try to defend trumps words and/or actions.
This is precisely what this thread is all about. Then they call the Media reporting his exact comments as "fake news".
But let us look at the full context of his statements:

We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we’re stopping a lot of them — but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals.”

This is what President Trump said on Wednesday during a roundtable meeting with top officials of his administration and California politicians to discuss California’s new “sanctuary” law. It’s a little unclear whether these “animals” he was referencing were undocumented immigrants as a whole, as he seemed to imply, or specifically members of the MS-13 gang, which was the subject of some previous questions. Regardless, the comments went viral: Without missing a beat, the internet and the media were swift to castigate Trump over his deplorable remarks.

I’m an immigration advocate and a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy. I’ve been following the Trump administration’s words and actions closely on immigration issues because my future depends on it. The “animals” comments are nothing new: Trump has consistently dehumanized immigrants as a group, comparing all of us to rapists and gang members from the earliest days of his campaign.

The ambiguity — whether Trump was dehumanizing gang members or all undocumented immigrants — is predictably being exploited by conservative politicians, including Trump himself, and pundits who make the case that the “fake news” media is being unfair to the president.

But that argument fails to recognize that whether Trump meant MS-13 gang members or immigrants as a whole doesn’t really matter: In his eyes, and in the directives that have shaped his policies, they are one and the same. Equating these groups is impacting real lives — Trump officials do it in their rhetoric, and they do it in their policies.

In February of last year, in the early days of the Trump administration, Seattle resident and DACA recipient Daniel Ramirez Medina was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. The reason for his arrest was a single tattoo on his forearm: a star circled by the words “La Paz - BCS.” ICE argued that the tattoo, which Ramirez explained was a reference to his birthplace, La Paz, in Baja California Sur, demonstrated that the young immigrant was somehow connected to gang activity.

This was proof enough for ICE to not only arrest but interrogate and detain Ramirez and strip him of his DACA benefits. ICE agents threatened to deport him immediately and reportedly asked him “five to seven times” if he was involved in gang activity. When he said he had a permit to legally work in the United States, an agent reportedly told him, “It doesn’t matter because you weren’t born in this country.”

This Tuesday, nearly a year after his arrest, a federal judge rejected all claims by ICE agents and federal government about Ramirez’s presumed gang activity. In fact, US District Judge Ricardo S. Martinez concluded that the government’s actions taken against Ramirez — which included a doctored statement that ICE submitted on behalf of Ramirez to support their claim that he was connected to gang activity — were “arbitrary and capricious.”

Judge Martinez instructed the federal government to grant Ramirez his DACA benefits once again and to stop lying (specifically, to stop “asserting, adopting, or relying in any proceedings on any statement or record … purporting to allege or establish that Mr. Ramirez is a gang member, gang affiliated, or a threat to public safety”) when attempting to deport immigrants.

There’s also the story of Henry, a young undocumented immigrant from Long Island who confided in law enforcement about the activities of MS-13 in hopes of obtaining some sort of protection after leaving the gang. As ProPublica reported, Henry’s decision to work with the authorities led to his arrest by ICE and possible deportation. Henry currently sits in detention alongside MS-13 members who likely suspect that he was a police informant, putting him at further risk.

These stories exemplify the extent to which the Trump administration’s unshackling of immigration agents brutally impacts people’s lives. Since Trump took office, advocates warn that there’s been a surge in ICE arrests of supposed MS-13 members — even though, advocates argue, many of the people arrested are not actually connected to gang activity.

Trump’s rhetoric, in which he has repeatedly painted immigrants as “murderers, rapists, and drug dealers,” adds to this dehumanization.

Trump has vilified immigrants and their contributions every step of the way
During the most recent immigration fight, in which Democrats wanted to pass DREAM Act legislation to protect people like me, Trump told the media not to “fall into the trap” of referring to young undocumented immigrants as “DREAMers,” implying that because of our lack of immigration status, we were still “illegals” in his eyes.

Trump launched his campaign by lambasting Mexican immigrants coming to the United States as rapists and drug dealers. This vile line found its way into the rhetoric of Republican hardliners running for state office in recent months. In Georgia, there are two gubernatorial candidates arguing who has the biggest vehicle to deport illegal “criminals.”

This week at the California roundtable, was the president referring to MS-13 gang members, not “illegal” immigrants, as animals? This is what the administration wants us to be debating, but at this point, can anyone really believe a statement that trades one insult for another? Why are some media outlets like the Associated Press bowing to Trump’s meaningless clarification as to whom exactly he called “animals?”

It is time to stop pretending that he has a “heart” for DREAMers — as he has repeatedly said — or that he sees immigrants in anything other than the most negative possible light. Trump has shown us the racist and xenophobe he is from the beginning. It is time we take him at his word.

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/5/18/17369044/trump-ms-13-gang-animals-immigrants
 

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Only a twisted mind would consistently try to defend trumps words and/or actions.
One of the things I can count on here at TERB is that you are always wrong. It’s impressive actually.
 

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Donald Trump just accidentally revealed something very important about his 'fake news' attacks:

On Wednesday morning, President Donald Trump sent out a tweet bashing the media. Nothing new there.

But, this tweet was different: Trump unintentionally revealed the false premise on which his relentless calls of "fake news" is based.
Here's the tweet:
"The Fake News is working overtime. Just reported that, despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy & all things else, 91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake). Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt? Take away credentials?"
Put aside the authoritarian -- but ultimately empty -- threat about taking away the media's "credentials," and focus instead on this sentence: "91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake)."
Trump, I think, is referring to a 2017 study by the conservative Media Research Center which claimed that 91% of the nightly news coverage on the president was negative.
But, that's not (really) the point here. The point can be summed up in these two words from Trump: "negative (Fake)."
To Trump, those words mean the same thing. Negative news coverage is fake news. Fake news is negative news coverage.
This is, of course, not true. Negative news coverage -- or, seen more accurately through the Trump lens, media coverage that he feels is not sufficiently favorable to him -- is not, by definition, fake. Fake news is made-up news. It's not based in traditional reporting values like facts and sourcing. It's not "news" at all.
(Sidebar: The media -- me included -- does make mistakes. We're human. When it happens, we publicly correct the record. Trump seizes on those mistakes as incontrovertible evidence that the media is hopelessly fake. That would be like saying a person who got into one accident in 25 years of driving was a terrible and dangerous driver -- a drastic overstatement designed to score points with people already primed to believe the exaggeration.)
Trump either doesn't understand or ignores the difference between a story he doesn't like and one that is not true. He conflates the two for his own political purposes -- knowing his base hates the media and is more than ready to believe that journalists are willing to make up stories just to make Trump look bad.
Time and time again, Trump's claims about "fake news" have been debunked. What he calls fake news isn't fake at all. It's true -- he just doesn't like to read about it because it paints him as fallible, and he hates that.
Here's how Factcheck.org, a nonpartisan fact-checking operation at the Annenberg Public Policy Center, described Trump's approach to "fake news" in a detailed debunking of the idea headlined "Trump's Phony 'Fake News' Claims":
President Donald Trump often dismisses news stories or media outlets that he doesn't like as "fake news." How often? A database of his public remarks contains 320 references last year to "fake news."
Usually, it's a general complaint about news coverage — such as his Christmas Eve tweet: "The Fake News refuses to talk about how Big and how Strong our BASE is."
But there are times, too, when he has labeled accurate news reporting as "fake news" or spread false information himself, while at the same time accusing the media of being "fake" or "dishonest."
Here's the problem: Trump's attacks on the media -- as flawed and dishonest as they are -- are working. More than 4 in 10 people in a Gallup poll earlier this year could not name a single objective news source. Almost eight in 10 (77%) in a Monmouth University poll released last month said TV and print media report "fake news." That's a 14-point bump from the number of people who said the same last year.
The media is not blameless in all of this. As I noted above, we do make mistakes. We have made major strides in transparency but need to do even more to show our work to people. The more open we are about how we do our jobs, the better chance we have of convincing people that our most basic commitment is to getting stories right, not pushing some sort of imagined ideological agenda.
But, it's also important for people to understand what's behind Trump's aggressive anti-media campaign. Trump is about Trump. He calls media "fake news" because the coverage of him isn't as positive as he would like.
Try this experiment going forward. Every time Trump says or tweets the words "fake news," sub in the words "bad for me." It's revealing. Enlightening. And true.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/09/politics/donald-trump-media-tweet/index.html
 

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Unbelievable!! MS-13 are one of the most violent gangs around that decapitate people, Trump is damn right to call them animals. Enough with this politically correct bullshit !
And if only he'd had the smarts and the command of English to do so, none of this controversy would have arisen. He and his people could have been Presidenting all this time instead of trying to 'prove' he said what he meant and didn't mean what he said.
 

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And if only he'd had the smarts and the command of English to do so, none of this controversy would have arisen. He and his people could have been Presidenting all this time instead of trying to 'prove' he said what he meant and didn't mean what he said.
The question was specifically in the context of MS 13. Numerous opponents have even pointed this out.

In this case he was taken out of context.

He supplies more than enough ammo without having to manufacture it. The press was wrong in this case. It's that simple.
 

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The question was specifically in the context of MS 13.
No, the WH attempted to frame the comment to MS 13, but Trump was clearing not just talking about them at the time.
Its really just one more example of his racism, which we've known of since he was charged with racist landlord tactics decades ago.
 

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No, the WH attempted to frame the comment to MS 13, but Trump was clearing not just talking about them at the time.
Its really just one more example of his racism, which we've known of since he was charged with racist landlord tactics decades ago.
haha...love the Leftist paranoia and name calling. When Leftists don't get their way, they lash out in every way possible. ie Trump is racist, Trump is this, that,...all examples of the rage Leftists go through when someone doesn't agree with them. Looking for things to justify their own views or else! i.e. if you support Trump, you're a racist. Bullying tactics through & through.

Get over it FFS!
Actually, don't get over it...this is very entertaining and looking forward to a few more years of your agony & outrage!
 

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haha...love the Leftist paranoia and name calling. When Leftists don't get their way, they lash out in every way possible. ie Trump is racist, Trump is this, that,...all examples of the rage Leftists go through when someone doesn't agree with them. Looking for things to justify their own views or else! i.e. if you support Trump, you're a racist. Bullying tactics through & through.

Get over it FFS!
Actually, don't get over it...this is very entertaining and looking forward to a few more years of your agony & outrage!
Oh, you white supremacists are all the same.
'We're not racist', 'Trump meant only gangsters', 'well, there are some nice nazis', 'so Spencer likes Trump' or 'racist, me?'.
 

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Original transcript of exchange:

Sheriff Mims: “There could be an MS-13 member I know about — if they don’t reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it.”

Mr. Trump: “We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we’re stopping a lot of them — but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy.”
The Real Risk of Trump’s Dehumanization of Immigrants

Regardless of whether it was aimed specifically at MS-13 members or not, President Trump’s “animals” remark is threatening to all immigrants.

VANN R. NEWKIRK II MAY 19, 2018 POLITICS

“You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people—these are animals.”

That was President Trump earlier this week, when according to The New York Times he “lashed out at undocumented immigrants” during a meeting on so-called sanctuary cities. Democratic politicians seized the opportunity to criticize the president, accusing him of attacking many or most immigrants. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer tweeted: “When all of our great-great-grandparents came to America they weren’t ‘animals,’ and these people aren’t either.”

Except, according to the White House, that wasn’t the entire story. “I’m referring, and you know I’m referring, to the MS-13 gangs that are coming in,” Trump said on Thursday.

According to a transcript of the meeting, Trump’s comments came in response to a remark from Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims about the gang. But his phrasing was undoubtedly vague. Facing blowback—including allegations from Trump that they “purposely” misrepresented his comments—some news organizations deleted tweets or clarified their stories. A bipartisan set of commentators also joined the president in criticizing media outlets’ coverage of his remarks. “Was this not about gang members?” tweeted Eric Weinstein, the managing director for an investment firm founded by Trump ally Peter Thiel.

The real question is: Why does it matter?

So far, Trump and critics of the media’s coverage have leaned on a simple defense: that dehumanizing MS-13 members is warranted by their crimes. In previous comments, Trump has utilized a graphic litany of offenses committed by gang members—from rapes to beheadings—in order to justify his hardline stance on immigration. Speaking for the president on Thursday, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders expanded on that theme.

“It took an animal to stab a man 100 times and decapitate him and rip his heart out,” Sanders said, referring to the case of an unidentified man killed in the Washington, D.C., suburbs in 2017. “Frankly I think the term ‘animal’ doesn’t go far enough, and I think that the president should continue to use his platform and everything he can do under the law to stop these types of horrible, horrible disgusting people.”

There’s a certain moral clarity to these kinds of comments that allows them to be wielded as incredibly effective weapons, both in mobilizing support and in kneecapping opponents. People who oppose this straightforward moral assessment are cast as either misconstruing the speaker or choosing to defend monsters. In this brutally simplistic worldview, one must either side with the “animals” or the humans sent to contain them.

But the real world is, of course, more complicated than that, and there are policy and human-rights implications to what the president says and does. Dehumanizing rhetoric is a powerful real-world tool, especially when it’s coming from the president of the United States.

On the campaign trail, Trump deployed similarly callous language when he talked about immigration. “What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States,” Trump said in a statement in 2015. “They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” A year later, in his speech at the Republican National Convention, Trump said that “nearly 180,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records, ordered deported from our country, are tonight roaming free to threaten peaceful citizens,” and he bemoaned the release of “tens of thousands into our communities with no regard for the impact on public safety or resources.”

As president, he’s regularly continued the practice. “You’ve seen the stories about some of these animals,” the president said at a 2017 rally, where he issued particularly graphic denunciations. “They don’t want to use guns because it’s too fast and it’s not painful enough. So they’ll take a young, beautiful girl, 16, 15, and others, and they slice them and dice them with a knife because they want them to go through excruciating pain before they die.”

As with his remarks on Wednesday, it’s unclear whether Trump was referring specifically to gang members or to undocumented immigrants as a whole. This ambiguity could perhaps be chalked up to the president’s imprecise speech, but it’s connected to real policy. This unclarity is a key mechanism in the federal government’s targeting of immigrants across the country.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal agency responsible for much of the country’s enforcement actions against unauthorized immigrants, is well known for using flimsy pretenses to connect young immigrants to gang activity. In 2017, ICE arrested and detained Daniel Ramirez Medina, a young undocumented immigrant who’d been shielded from deportation by enrolling in the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. ICE tried to strip him of his protected status and deport him, all because they claimed a tattoo of his birthplace proved his affiliation with a gang. According to criminal-justice and immigration advocates, the number of MS-13 arrests is inflated by these flimsy cases. In the Ramirez case, a federal judge criticized ICE for lying even in the court of law about Ramirez’s affiliation, saying the “agency [offered] no evidence to this Court to support its assertions.”

According to The Marshall Project, immigrants only have to meet some very loose criteria in order to fall into the gang dragnet, including hanging out where gang members usually frequent or being labeled as a gang member by a “reliable source,” such as a teacher.

None of those criteria have much to do with the kinds of heinous crimes often ready for listing by the president and his allies. But the treatment of individuals caught up in the dragnet—from frigid detention centers to the separation of mothers from children—certainly still resembles what might be reserved for animals.

***

It would be a mistake to think that this recent episode of dehumanization is unique, or that Trump’s sloppiness with speaking is a new addition to American racial and immigrant relations. Indeed, the combination of draconian rhetoric and the elision of nuance between real and perceived criminal elements is a crux of how racism has worked for centuries in this country and around the world.

A startlingly similar incident in recent American history is the coinage of “superpredator” in the mid-1990s. According to Princeton University professor John DiIulio, who first used the term in 1996, “a superpredator is a young juvenile criminal who is so impulsive, so remorseless, that he can kill, rape, maim, without giving it a second thought.” This designation was wielded primarily against black teenagers, often against those suspected of gang activity and often under thin pretenses. It used the same kind of dehumanization—“superpredator” originates as a zoological term for apex predatory animals—to mobilize massive public support for new criminal-justice policies and provide a moral high ground to marginalize any opponents.

An entire generation of policymakers fell sway to the seductive othering that the superpredator construct allowed. In the process, they implemented increasingly punitive sentencing and policing laws that often treated kids as adults and incentivized incarceration. Trump’s Democratic opponent in 2016 was part of that cohort of lawmakers. “They are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore,” Hillary Clinton said in 1996. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘superpredators’—no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel.”

Some of the extraordinary juvenile-justice measures passed in that era are no longer enforced—they’ve been repealed, walked back, or declared unconstitutional. But any reasonable assessment of mass incarceration in black America will show that the damage has long been done. In Illinois, for example, over 80 percent of juveniles sentenced to life without parole under the superpredator dragnet were minorities. Driven to bloodlust against an ill-defined population of black youths made to be less than human, America strained against the Constitution and the basic precepts of human rights to stamp out a threat—based on a theory that has since been discredited.

***

The true peril of Trump’s comments on Wednesday is this: that the state will be further empowered to suspend human rights. Dehumanization is not just a buzzword, but a descriptor of a specific and well-known psychological and sociological process, by which people are conditioned to accept inflicting increasingly inhumane conditions and punishments on other people. Taking from the well-worn lessons of American racism, dehumanization means both a broadening of what’s acceptable and just who is unacceptable.

The dangers of that broadening were evident in another recent viral moment. In a video clip that made the rounds on social media, 42-year-old New York lawyer Aaron Schlossberg was seen ranting to a restaurant employee and customer for speaking Spanish to each other. With no evidence that anyone present was an unauthorized immigrant—or that a crime was taking place—Schlossberg threatened to call ICE against the employees and the restaurant. Given what is known about the routine processes of ICE arrest and detention, this was at best a threat of disruption, and at worst a threat of violence.

The most likely outcome of Trump’s “animals” rhetoric isn’t a return to some mythological Pax Americana, as his supporters might suggest. Quite the opposite: It could fuel more informing on neighbors, more regular harassment for people of color, a deeper and wider dragnet, and an increased acceptance of brutality and extralegal practices. That’s what happens when people stop being people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/the-real-risk-of-trumps-dehumanization-of-immigrants/560762/
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