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A Hamas official on Wednesday acknowledged that 50 of the 62 Palestinians reported killed during Gaza border riots on Monday and Tuesday were members of the Islamist terrorist group, bringing the total number of known members of terror groups among the fatalities up to 53.

“In the last rounds of confrontations, if 62 people were martyred, Fifty of the martyrs were Hamas and 12 from the people. How can Hamas reap the fruits if it pays such an expensive price?” said Hamas official Salah Bardawil in an interview with the Palestinian Baladna news outlet.

Questioned about the figures by the presenter, Bardawil said they were “official numbers..

Hamas spokesman Fawzy Barhoum did not confirm all 50 were members of the Islamist movement. He told AFP Hamas paid for the funerals for all 50 “whether they are members or supporters of Hamas, or unrelated to the factions.”

Bassem Naim, another senior Hamas official, declined to confirm or deny the number but said it was a “large movement and has great popular support.”

It was “natural to see members or supporters of Hamas in large numbers” in such a protest, he said, adding that when they were killed they were “participating peacefully” in demonstrations.

The Iran-backed Palestinian Islamic Jihad had said on Tuesday that three members of its Saraya al-Quds military wing were killed by Israeli forces in Khan Younis.

The Israeli military shared a portion of Bardawil’s interview with an Arabic news outlet, accompanied by English captions.

“This proves what so many have tried to ignore: Hamas is behind these riots, and the branding of the riots as ‘peaceful protests’ could not be further from the truth,” said IDF spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus.

According to the Hamas-run Gaza health ministry, 62 people in total were killed during border clashes on Monday and Tuesday.

Israel has not put out its own official death toll, but officials have questioned the accuracy of the Hamas-provided figure. In one case, a Gazan doctor told the Associated Press that an 8-month-old baby, who the Gaza ministry said died after inhaling Israeli tear gas on Monday, had a preexisting medical condition and that he did not believe her death was caused by tear gas.

The Israel Defense Forces on Tuesday had said that at least 24 members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad were killed in day-long clashes Monday. At that stage, Hamas acknowledged 10 of the dead were its members.


The IDF said its number was based on a joint investigation with the Shin Bet security service.

“Most of the people [from terror groups] killed belonged to the Hamas terror group, and some to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad,” an IDF spokesperson said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-50-of-the-people-killed-in-gaza-riots-were-members/
 

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Hamas Interior Minister a few years ago accidentally admits that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people. "They are just Saudis and Egyptians" he says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5hKbDdkU4

Late military commander of the PLO as well as member of the PLO Executive Council, Zuhair Muhsin. said the following to James Dorsey in a 1977 interview in the Dutch newspaper "Trouw" - There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity....yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.
 

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...[silly infographic]....
Reality is they have been taught by their leaders that it is their duty to destroy Israel and remove the Jewish presence. Of course actions to further that view is why there are border restrictions on Gaza in the first place.

And my evidence is the West Bank. They are the same people but since they are ruled by a group not openly engaged in terrorism to destroy Israel, they have a far superior standard of living.
 

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Being a member of Hamas is not grounds for assassination.
Being a member of a terrorist entity is grounds to be locked up though.

And you'd have to be a absolute zealot to describe being killed while directly engaged in violence as "assassination".
 

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Reality is they have been taught by their leaders that it is their duty to destroy Israel and remove the Jewish presence.
Given that they live under Israeli rule in a country that has destroyed Palestine and continue to erase Palestinian presence, your hypocrisy is pretty astounding.
Israel already destroyed Palestine.
 

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Being a member of a terrorist entity is grounds to be locked up though.

And you'd have to be a absolute zealot to describe being killed while directly engaged in violence as "assassination".
No, being accused of specific terrorist acts are grounds to be brought to trial.
As the ICC should be doing right now.
 

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No, being accused of specific terrorist acts are grounds to be brought to trial.
As the ICC should be doing right now.
Except it is the government of Gaza that are conducting the terrorism and you don;t criticize them for it. Do you suggest Israel should invade Gaza and arrest all of the Hamas members involved in terrorism?
 

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Given that they live under Israeli rule....
There has been no Israeli rule in Gaza for a decade and a half. I'm sure that the people in the West Bank are happy they live under PA or Israeli rule becaus etheir standard of living is light years ahead of what Hamas has achieved.

And the people who have (for the time being) have destroyed Palestine are Jordan and Egypt who stole the Palestinian state and the Palestinian leaders who refuse to accept a state if it means living alongside Israel.
 

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Except it is the government of Gaza that are conducting the terrorism and you don;t criticize them for it. Do you suggest Israel should invade Gaza and arrest all of the Hamas members involved in terrorism?
No, its the government of Israel that is committing terrorism here, shooting unarmed protesters, crippling women and children and shooting medics and journalists.
12,000 civilians have been injured by state terrorism committed by Israel.
You are supporting terrorism.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Being a member of Hamas is not grounds for assassination
Thats like saying being a member of the Taliban, ISIS or Al Queda is not grounds for assassination
 

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Thats like saying being a member of the Taliban, ISIS or Al Queda is not grounds for assassination
The primary difference here is that Hamas is the elected government and living under Israeli occupation and military rule.
Israel must abide by the Geneva Conventions, which does not allow assassination.

What you are proposing would put you on trial at the Hague for war crimes.
What Israel has done likely will put them on the docket.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The primary difference here is that Hamas is the elected government and living under Israeli occupation and military rule
If you went into parts of Afghanistan there are probably also areas where the population elected the Taliban.
So what??They are still terrorists and are fair targets in a theatre of war

Israel must abide by the Geneva Conventions, which does not allow assassination
Nowhere does it say in GC that you cant kill your enemy when you're at war. Hamas and Israel are technically at war with each other.

You just hate the fact Israel is much, much stronger and is kicking Hamas ass

What you are proposing would put you on trial at the Hague for war crimes
LOL....and what am I proposing, Frankie?? You're getting desperate now

What Israel has done likely will put them on the docket
Oh noes, any day now :biggrin1:
 

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The primary difference here is that Hamas is the elected government and living under Israeli occupation and military rule.
Israel must abide by the Geneva Conventions, which does not allow assassination.

What you are proposing would put you on trial at the Hague for war crimes.
What Israel has done likely will put them on the docket.
For years now dating back to your time as groggy you have been claiming that Israel is going to end up in international court.

And I'm betting it's probably before then so we are into decades.

Is there any point when you will realize it's not going to happen?
 

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Nowhere does it say in GC that you cant kill your enemy when you're at war. Hamas and Israel are technically at war with each other.
No, Phil.
Israel has been occupying Palestine for over half a century now.
It is internationally recognized as the 'Occupied Territories of Palestine' by the UN and international institutions.
They are not at war.

The Geneva Conventions apply and what you are proposing is a war crime, a form of state terrorism.
Are you really no better then Hamas?
 

Frankfooter

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Is there any point when you will realize it's not going to happen?
Statement of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Fatou Bensouda, regarding the worsening situation in Gaza


It is with grave concern that I note the violence and deteriorating situation in the Gaza Strip in the context of recent mass demonstrations. Since 30 March 2018, at least 27 Palestinians have been reportedly killed by the Israeli Defence Forces, with over a thousand more injured, many, as a result of shootings using live ammunition and rubber-bullets. Violence against civilians - in a situation such as the one prevailing in Gaza – could constitute crimes under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court ("ICC" or "the Court"), as could the use of civilian presence for the purpose of shielding military activities.

I remind all parties that the situation in Palestine is under preliminary examination by my Office. While a preliminary examination is not an investigation, any new alleged crime committed in the context of the situation in Palestine may be subjected to my Office's scrutiny. This applies to the events of the past weeks and to any future incident.

I am aware that the demonstrations in the Gaza Strip are planned to continue further. My Office will continue to closely watch the situation and will record any instance of incitement or resort to unlawful force. I urge all those concerned to refrain from further escalating this tragic situation.

Any person who incites or engages in acts of violence including by ordering, requesting, encouraging or contributing in any other manner to the commission of crimes within ICC's jurisdiction is liable to prosecution before the Court, with full respect for the principle of complementarity. The resort to violence must stop.

The ICC's Office of the Prosecutor conducts independent and impartial preliminary examinations, investigations and prosecutions of the crime of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Since 2003, the Office has been conducting investigations in multiple situations within the ICC's jurisdiction, namely in Uganda; the Democratic Republic of the Congo; Darfur, Sudan; the Central African Republic (two distinct situations); Kenya; Libya; Côte d'Ivoire; Mali; Georgia and Burundi. Pre-Trial Chamber II is seized of the Prosecutor's request for authorisation to commence an investigation into the situation in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. The Office is also conducting preliminary examinations relating to the situations in Colombia; the Gabonese Republic; Guinea; Iraq/UK; Nigeria; Palestine; The Philippines; Venezuela and Ukraine.

OTPNewsDesk@icc-cpi.int

Source : Office of the Prosecutor
What happens on the day when you realize that backing apartheid and state terrorism is worse then backing Hamas?
 

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For years now dating back to your time as groggy you have been claiming that Israel is going to end up in international court.
Is there any point when you will realize it's not going to happen?
Frankfooter/Groogy has been barking about this for a long time, that's his way of doing jihad on terb.
 

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The primary difference here is that Hamas is the elected government....
Wrong.

Hamas was elected as a slim majority of the Legislative Branch while Abbas was elected to the Executive branch. Even without the Hamas coup in 2007, any claims to a democratic mandate ended more than a decade ago.
 
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