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Frankfooter said:
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Palestinians in Gaza live in an open aired prison, with 4 hours of electricity a day, 30% of the arable land a 'kill zone' or 'buffer zone', no drinkable water and under an Israeli controlled blockade.
What are they supposed to do, just let it continue?
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No drinkable water is bullshit, if they didnt have water to drink they'd all be dead now. You can only survive 3 days or so without water

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Palestinians were offered 45% of their own land. Their OWN land
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You hit the nail on the head Frankie, Palestinians consider Israel their OWN land, they dont want to share any of it with Israeli's and they dont want peace.
And you never answered my question, how do you make peace with someone who doesnt want peace??

Case in point, Hamas has reverted back to firing missiles into Israel: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-could-tougher-gaza-warplanes-hit-hamas-093936719.html

Israeli warplanes pounded Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip early Wednesday in a new flare-up of hostilities that saw dozens of rockets and mortar shells fired from the Palestinian enclave, the army said.

A military spokesman said all targets belonged to Hamas's military wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, and the strikes were more intense than in previous sorties.

"We struck at a greater intensity, with the intended message for Hamas to understand that we will not allow this situation to continue," spokesman Jonathan Conricus told reporters
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Phil C. McNasty said:
No drinkable water is bullshit, if they didnt have water to drink they'd all be dead now. You can only survive 3 days or so without water
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From Haaretz, Israeli media:
Ninety-seven Percent of Gaza Drinking Water Contaminated by Sewage, Salt, Expert Warns
Gazans are forced to buy water at six times the standard rate from private enterprises
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https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...g-water-contaminated-by-sewage-salt-1.5747876

So yes, should Israel blockade water imports they'd all be dead in a week or two.

You hit the nail on the head Frankie, Palestinians consider Israel their OWN land, they dont want to share any of it with Israeli's and they dont want peace.
And you never answered my question, how do you make peace with someone who doesnt want peace??
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That doesn't mean they don't want peace, it means that they've never been offered a deal acceptable to them. If Israel wants peace they'd offer them an acceptable deal.
And the solution is now obvious, the two state solution is dead through settlements and land theft.
So they are living in the one state solution and in order to get peace they just need to give them full human rights and let them live their lives.
Even with the 'mostly full human rights' of Israeli Arabs within the Green line, Palestinians have shown they will live in peace with decent human rights and the opportunity to live in peace.


Case in point, Hamas has reverted back to firing missiles into Israel: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-could-tougher-gaza-warplanes-hit-hamas-093936719.html
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Case in point, this escalation was started by Israel, Hamas isn't the one firing rockets though they stated they approve and they have stated that they will now respond to escalations with actions.
That's stupid, in my opinion. The non-violent protests were having major impacts on Israeli standings around the world, firing rockets are illegal and will undo that work and just give Israel media fodder.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...el-strikes-hamas-targets-180620065738008.html

The only way forward peacefully is to just give Palestinians full human rights and citizenship in the country in which they have lived for half a century.
 
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Frankfooter said:
From Haaretz, Israeli media:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...g-water-contaminated-by-sewage-salt-1.5747876

So yes, should Israel blockade water imports they'd all be dead in a week or two
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Israel allows water imports into Gaza. Therefore they're getting enough to drink.
Do you know of any war between 2 countries where one side allows their enemy to have drinking water and even supplies it to them??

I dont

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Case in point, this escalation was started by Israel, Hamas isn't the one firing rockets though they stated they approve and they have stated that they will now respond to escalations with actions
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Thats patently false. Israel has responded militarily because Hamas were firing rockets and mortars into Israel

Frankfooter said:
That doesn't mean they don't want peace, it means that they've never been offered a deal acceptable to them. If Israel wants peace they'd offer them an acceptable deal.And the solution is now obvious, the two state solution is dead through settlements and land theft.
So they are living in the one state solution and in order to get peace they just need to give them full human rights and let them live their lives.
Even with the 'mostly full human rights' of Israeli Arabs within the Green line, Palestinians have shown they will live in peace with decent human rights and the opportunity to live in peace
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Your claim that Israel only offered PLO 45% of their land is bullshit. Barak offered to give up 96% of the West Bank.
If Arafat cant make a compromise with that great deal the PLO and Hamas dont want peace:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bill-clinton-palestinians-were-offered-temple-mount-in-2000/

However, Clinton said, no agreement was reached under his aegis because although Israel, under Barak, agreed to give up 96 percent of the West Bank, the Palestinians, under Arafat, “never said yes.”
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Phil C. McNasty said:
Israel allows water imports into Gaza. Therefore they're getting enough to drink.
Do you know of any war between 2 countries where one side allows their enemy to have drinking water and even supplies it to them??
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Israel is occupying Gaza, according to the Geneva Conventions they have to supply them with water.
As it is there is access to only 3/4 of what the UN says is necessary, in the form of piped water that's unsafe to drink.
What this looks like, is that conditions there are now like the Warsaw Ghetto.
https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/early_warning_indicator_april_2018.pdf



Thats patently false. Israel has responded militarily because Hamas were firing rockets and mortars into Israel
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No, its accurate.
The rockets weren't fired by Hamas and Israel escalated this round of action a week or two ago through tank fire at Palestinians in Gaza, that started this round of escalation.
We now have a member of Israel's govt calling for Israel to stop all water and electricity for Gaza, which is a call for genocide.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/intelligence-minister-calls-to-end-fuel-water-supply-to-gaza/



Your claim that Israel only offered PLO 45% of their land is bullshit. Barak offered to give up 96% of the West Bank.
If Arafat cant make a compromise with that great deal the PLO and Hamas dont want peace:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bill-clinton-palestinians-were-offered-temple-mount-in-2000/
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Which map of Palestine are you basing that on?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Israel is occupying Gaza, according to the Geneva Conventions they have to supply them with water
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They could just as easily not supply them with water if they want to, but they do so you cant whine about Gaza not getting clean drinking water because they are getting it, courtesy of the Israeli's

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No, its accurate. The rockets weren't fired by Hamas
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Who else would be firing rockets and mortars into Israel but for Hamas.
And in the end, it doesnt matter who's firing because Israel have the right to retaliate


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Which map of Palestine are you basing that on?
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Wait, so are you saying Israel only has right to the land shown in the left map??
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
They could just as easily not supply them with water if they want to, but they do so you cant whine about Gaza not getting clean drinking water because they are getting it, courtesy of the Israeli's
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They could refuse them water, true.
That would be genocide of course, is that what you're supporting?

Who else would be firing rockets and mortars into Israel but for Hamas.
And in the end, it doesnt matter who's firing because Israel have the right to retaliate
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Both sides have the right to retaliate, but its not going to lead to peace.

Wait, so are you saying Israel only has right to the land shown in the left map??
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I'm asking you which map was Barak's offer of '96% of the West Bank' based on.

 
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Frankfooter said:
They could refuse them water, true.
That would be genocide of course, is that what you're supporting?
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Well......they're technically at war, arent they??
I know of very few countries who during warfare supply their enemy with clean drinking water.

But no, I'm not suggesting genocide, Frankie. Thats just you putting words in other peoples mouth again.
Its just that Gaza should be happy Israel gives them free water

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Both sides have the right to retaliate, but its not going to lead to peace
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Supposedly Trump is working on a ME peace deal.

But you hate this man so much, you probably want that to fail as well

Frankfooter said:
I'm asking you which map was Barak's offer of '96% of the West Bank' based on.

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The 3rd one from the left
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
Well......they're technically at war, arent they??
I know of very few countries who during warfare supply their enemy with clean drinking water.
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No, technically its an occupation, not a war.
Which is why the Geneva Conventions apply and stopping their water would be genocide.

But no, I'm not suggesting genocide, Frankie. Thats just you putting words in other peoples mouth again.
Its just that Gaza should be happy Israel gives them free water
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No, Israel is duty bound to supply them with water and food as long as the occupation lasts.
That's the law.

Supposedly Trump is working on a ME peace deal.
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Which is likely to be less successful then his North Korea attempts.

But you hate this man so much, you probably want that to fail as well
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I'd be very happy for peace there, but Trump is too biased to offer a solution that will succeed.

The 3rd one from the left
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Barak's offer was for 86% of 22% of Palestine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#Territory

It appears that Israel has historically used peace talks and offers as a delaying tactic while they implement 'facts on the ground', or settlements, as the map shows.
From the final map above you must understand that the two state solution is dead.
 
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Frankfooter said:
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That would be genocide of course, is that what you're supporting?...
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You're the one supporting Hamas who officially vows exactly that. It's amazing that you back a group that vows to remove the Jewish presence while claiming Jews building houses in the West Bank is ethnic cleansing.


And despite your pretence that Hamas gave up terrorism, they have admitted to having an arson and IED attack unit and admitted to firing terror rockets.
 
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basketcase said:
And more denying Hamas and Palestinian terrorism.

And yes, IEDs attached to party balloons are pure terrorism hoping some kid or random person picks them up. They are even nastier than the arson attacks and Hamas rockets.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/booby...on-trampoline-mom-tells-kids-theyre-not-toys/
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More vicious attacks from balloons and condoms, from your article.
“No damage was caused,” she said.
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Or Israel could stop apartheid and other war crimes and give Palestinians basic human rights, or at least give Gaza electricity and clean water.
https://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files/2018-06/20180611_khan_al_ahmar_petition.pdf

Settling for peace instead of shooting protesters would lead to less resistance, after all.
 
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Frankfooter said:
More vicious attacks from balloons and condoms, from your article....
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And once again you try and downplay Palestinian terrorism. Disgusting.

And while that individual IED was disarmed before some kid decided to pick up the balloon, Palestinian arson balloons and kites have burned well over 5000 acres of land and caused several million dollars in damage.


And you know that Hamas refuses to accept any permanent peace with Israel but still have the nerve to complain that Israel won't accept peace.
 
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And once again you try and downplay Palestinian terrorism. Disgusting.
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What terrorism, from your article!
“No damage was caused,” she said.
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Those were some vicious terrorist balloon attacks!


And you know that Hamas refuses to accept any permanent peace with Israel but still have the nerve to complain that Israel won't accept peace.
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That's wrong, Hamas has publicly stated they'd settle for the two state solution should the Palestinian people agree to one.

Israel, having clearly stated that they don't support equal rights, is on the way to stating that its illegal to report on war crimes.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...deo-of-israeli-soldiers-passes-first-reading/

So while Hamas is on record calling for ICC investigations, Israel is hard at work making that illegal.
Just as, while Israel injured 13,000 people, Hamas injured none, during the round of protests.

Bring on the ICC.
 
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basketcase said:
p.s. These are the guys who's numbers you happily lap up.

Hamas paid family to claim Gaza baby was killed by Israeli tear gas, says cousin
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...-killed-by-tear-gas-says-gaza-terror-suspect/
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From your article:
A 20-year-old Palestinian indicted Thursday on terror-related charges told Israeli investigators during his interrogation
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I suggest you read B'teselem's work on detailing Israel's use of torture to gain confessions.
https://www.btselem.org/topic/torture

Haaretz also had a good article detailing Israeli torture techniques.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...bed-by-the-interrogators-themselves-1.5489853


CBC has an article on whether Eurovision will ever make it to Israel.
I'd say its not likely, but I'm sure you're sure it'll happen.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/eurovision-politics-israel-1.4718643
 
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Frankfooter said:
From your article:
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Amazing how you automatically lap up whatever Hamas says, even when it is impossible and refuted by human rights groups (such as Hamas claiming their un-aimable terror rockets being aimed only at military sites) but instantly reject anything from Israel you don't like.

Are you still trying to deny that Hamas arson attacks and unguided rockets are terrorism?
 
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