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http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...north-korea/lslvkZPgKvPSknNHPPVPvJ/story.html
Face it: Trump has been right about Iran and North Korea
May 14, 2018

THE GREATEST GUNFIGHT in the history of cowboy films is in “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.” It’s a three-cornered shoot-out between Clint Eastwood (Blondie), Tuco (Eli Wallach), and Angel Eyes (Lee Van Cleef). The crucial point is that before the shooting starts, Blondie has emptied Tuco’s revolver of bullets.

To members of Washington’s foreign policy establishment, regardless of party affiliation, President Trump’s decision to exit one nuclear deal (with Iran) only to enter another nuclear deal (with North Korea) is beyond baffling. They clearly never saw “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.” Like Eastwood’s Blondie, Trump understands that only one of his antagonists has a loaded gun.

I wish I had a fistful of dollars for every article I have read in the past year about the foolishness or recklessness of Trump’s foreign policy. The funny thing is how few of the people writing such pieces ever pointed out the much greater foolishness and recklessness of his predecessor’s foreign policy.

The goal of Barack Obama’s Iran deal was not just to postpone the Iranian acquisition of nuclear weapons by 10 years. For it to be more than a mere deferral, it also had to improve the relative strategic position of the United States and its allies so that by 2025 they would be in a stronger position to stop Iran entering the club of nuclear-armed powers.

As Obama himself put it then, his hope was that by “building on this deal, we can continue to have conversations with Iran that incentivize them to behave differently in the region, to be less aggressive, less hostile, more cooperative. . . . [We will] seek to gain more cooperation from them in resolving issues like Syria or what’s happening in Iraq, to stop encouraging Houthis in Yemen.”

In return for merely slowing down its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, Iran was handed $150 billion in previously frozen assets, as well as a trade bonanza as sanctions were lifted. Under the deal, remember, there was no threat to “snap back” sanctions if Tehran opted to use its new resources to increase its military support for Hezbollah and Hamas, Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria, and the Shi’ite Houthi rebellion in Yemen. And so it did just that.

What about Obama’s North Korea policy? In essence, his administration applied ineffectual sanctions that did nothing whatsoever to slow down Kim Jong Un’s nuclear arms program. As Obama left the White House, we were assured that North Korea was still roughly five years away from having intercontinental ballistic missiles and a nuclear warhead small enough to fit on them. Not long after Trump’s inauguration, it became clear that North Korea had in fact been just five months away from possessing those assets.

Trump’s approach is almost exactly the opposite of Obama’s. Trump began by explicitly threatening Pyongyang with “fire and fury.” For a time Kim acted defiant, but the fact that both South Korea and China feared Trump was in earnest had its effect. The South Koreans offered olive branches. The Chinese squeezed North Korea’s economic windpipe. Trump then made a key concession: He agreed to a summit meeting with Kim. Next month in Singapore we shall see what comes of it. My guess is that the deal will make Trump’s knee-jerk critics themselves look foolish. He won’t get complete denuclearization, but he will get some. Meanwhile, large-scale South Korean and Chinese investment in North Korea will start the process of prising open the hermit kingdom.

Now for Iran. Trump’s strategy in year one was to reassure his country’s traditional allies in the region — not only the Saudis and Israelis, but also the other Arab states — that he was on their side against Iranian expansionism. In year two he is not only reapplying the US sanctions on Iran — and remember that they affect not only US companies but European ones too — but also applying pressure on the ground in all those different countries where the Iranians have intervened. Step forward the new national security team, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton — names calculated to make the mullahs quake.

“You see, in this world there’s two kinds of people, my friend,” Blondie tells Tuco after that memorable gunfight. “Those with loaded guns and those who dig.” Thanks to the Obama administration’s ineffectual tactics, the North Koreans got themselves into the former category: it became a nuclear state. But Iran — its Obama-era boom over — now has to dig.

Economically weak enough to suffer a wave of urban riots in December and January, the Iranians will not find it easy to withstand the snap-back of sanctions and the roll-back of its forces abroad. And if you think the Russians will help them, then you must have missed Benjamin Netanyahu shaking Vladimir Putin’s hand in the Kremlin last week.
 

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Face it: Trump has been right about Iran and North Korea Balls matter....
I think you are wrongfully concluding that because Trump is a big dick that he has balls to match. On Iran, all Trump's intelligence offices as well as the allies verified that Iran was living up to it's side of the bargain. Besides torpedoing the US international reputation for living by agreements, ignoring the pleas of the rest of the world (except Jared's Jewish friends in Israel) - Trump has put Iran back into producing weapons grade uranium ... just because a black president signed the origin US agreement. How the fuck is that a victory ??

Under Trumps watch, North Korea has finished their nuclear weapons development and now will get the international recognition of their disgusting regime that 12 previous presidents avoided giving. Of course Trump praised Kim Jong-un's hold on power while he was campaigning so nothing new there. Will Kim Jong-un actually give up the very devices that guarantee he stays in power and continue to abuse his people ?? Let's wait and see.
 

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Aren't you/Isn't your source just a tad premature? What's happened in Korea so far is entirely Trump-free, and just what the Kims always said the wanted the nukes to do for them. As for Donny, he hasn't come anywhere near the place yet, nor said or done anything useful. With regard to the USA and it's security, absolutely nothing has changed.

As for Iran, by tearing up the deal, Donny's given them an American license to go back to their evil old ways. We'll have to see if they do. But instead of doing the seeing in Tehran and possibly making a few friends along the way, it'll hafta be done from 80,000 feet and be a Cold War Gary Powers U2 provocation. And the USA got more endangered.

When something good actually follows his pompous bluster then post yer piece. As in his business 'career', he himself hasn't actually done anything yet. Except boast.
 

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I will go with what the rest of the European allies have said about Trump's actions on Iran. He is wrong to cancel that Treaty.
 

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Iran is still in the deal, the pressure is on Europe to endure the US sanctions or help the US get a better deal.

We are at a historic place with North Korea, it’s a bit too early to spike the ball but we’ve never been this far.

I’m not surprised you guys are threatened by balls.
 

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Europe has to reciprocate as we will probably head northwards for the highest oil prices and other damaging effects on any sanctions. But the Trumptard cult Followers believe all the BS spewed out of their cult leader's mouth - as usual!!
 

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It's a little early to be cheering. Eg: it's just been announced that NK has suspended talks with SK because of SK/US military drills. So there is a LOT of work left to do, including something by Trump other than tweeting.
 

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Iran is still in the deal, the pressure is on Europe to endure the US sanctions or help the US get a better deal.

We are at a historic place with North Korea, it’s a bit too early to spike the ball but we’ve never been this far.

I’m not surprised you guys are threatened by balls.
So you think it is smart for the PGOTUS to come to the rescue iof a Chinese telecom firm which violated the Iran sanctions and threaten to sanction out allies? Interesting.

With respect to NK I hope he is successful but lets get real. Moon came to power promising to engage Kim and diplomacy was ridiculed by the PGOTUS. They Moon set up the meeting and Trump just off the cuff accepted to the surprise of everyone. Lets see what happens but I hope he is successful and I will be very happy to give him credit if he is. Do you really think calling someone rocket man was the key? Actually apparently you and the Trumpanistas do.
 

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The only reason North and South Korea are talking is because China and Russia have both indicated they would get involved in an attack on North Korea. It has nothing to do with Trump. The people of South Korea are tired of US presence in South Korea. They want the troops out. And frankly with the launch of the petro-Yuan, America can no longer afford it's Imperialistic adventures. The situation in Iran is a cluster fuck. America has now brought Iran, Russia, and China into an alliance with each other while managing to isolate many European allies. I have no idea what America's foreign policy is. I suspect most in Washington don't have a clue either. This is what happens when you allow your policy to be dictated by ZOG ( Zionist Occupied Government ).
 

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So you think it is smart for the PGOTUS to come to the rescue iof a Chinese telecom firm which violated the Iran sanctions and threaten to sanction out allies? Interesting.

With respect to NK I hope he is successful but lets get real. Moon came to power promising to engage Kim and diplomacy was ridiculed by the PGOTUS. They Moon set up the meeting and Trump just off the cuff accepted to the surprise of everyone. Lets see what happens but I hope he is successful and I will be very happy to give him credit if he is. Do you really think calling someone rocket man was the key? Actually apparently you and the Trumpanistas do.
Didn't El Trumpo just get $500 million from the Chinese for his project in Indonesia??
 

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BREAKING NEWS:North Korea warns US as it suspends South Korea talks over military drills:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/poli...uth-korea-talks-us-military-drills/index.html

North Korea says the US should carefully consider the fate of the North Korea-US summit, in view of what it calls "provocative military disturbances with South Korea," North Korea's state news agency reported early Wednesday local time.

The warning comes as KCNA reported North Korea has suspended talks with South Korea because of a joint military drill conducted by South Korea and the US.

State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert defended joint US-South Korean military exercises Tuesday and said the US had not heard of any disruptions to either the planned exercises or the upcoming summit.
While media reports were just emerging as she took the briefing room podium, Nauert said, "We have not heard anything from that government or the government of South Korea to indicate that we would not continue conducting these exercises or that we would not continue planning for our meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong Un next month."
"Let's not get ahead of ourselves," she cautioned to reporters. "This news just came out. We need to verify it to get additional information on that but we're going forward in planning our meetings next month."
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A senior administration official told CNN that President Donald Trump has been alerted to the warning about the fate of the June 12 summit in Singapore and that the White House is preparing a response.

However, the White House was caught off guard by the reports, according to aides. One official affirmed the State Department's assertion that it has received no information from Pyongyang about the status of the talks.
Meetings are underway now between White House officials, the National Security Council and Defense Department, the official said.
Talks between the Koreas were set to resume Wednesday.
The KCNA report said the Max Thunder 2018 air combat drill was against the Panmunjom declaration -- signed last month between the Koreas -- wherein they agreed to cease all hostile acts against each other.

KCNA labeled the Max Thunder drills a "deliberate provocation."
The Pentagon said Tuesday that "Republic of Korea (ROK) and US military forces are currently engaged in the recurring, annual ROK-U.S. spring exercises, to include exercises Foal Eagle 2018 and Max Thunder 2018."
The exercise involves the US Air Force and South Korean forces with about 2,000 troops participating, a Department of Defense official told CNN.
"These defensive exercises are part of the ROK-U.S. Alliance's routine, annual training program to maintain a foundation of military readiness," a statement from Pentagon spokesman Col. Rob Manning noted.
"The purpose of the training is to enhance the ROK-U.S. Alliance's ability to defend the ROK and enhance interoperability and readiness. While we will not discuss specifics, the defensive nature of these combined exercises has been clear for many decades and has not changed," Manning added.
Back in March, when South Korea's national security adviser told reporters at the White House that Kim had invited Trump to meet, he also said that Kim "understands that the routine joint military exercises between the Republic of Korea and the United States must continue."
This story is breaking and will be updated.
 

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BREAKING NEWS:North Korea warns US as it suspends South Korea talks over military drills:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/poli...uth-korea-talks-us-military-drills/index.html

North Korea says the US should carefully consider the fate of the North Korea-US summit, in view of what it calls "provocative military disturbances with South Korea," North Korea's state news agency reported early Wednesday local time.

The warning comes as KCNA reported North Korea has suspended talks with South Korea because of a joint military drill conducted by South Korea and the US.

State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert defended joint US-South Korean military exercises Tuesday and said the US had not heard of any disruptions to either the planned exercises or the upcoming summit.
While media reports were just emerging as she took the briefing room podium, Nauert said, "We have not heard anything from that government or the government of South Korea to indicate that we would not continue conducting these exercises or that we would not continue planning for our meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong Un next month."
"Let's not get ahead of ourselves," she cautioned to reporters. "This news just came out. We need to verify it to get additional information on that but we're going forward in planning our meetings next month."
close dialog.

A senior administration official told CNN that President Donald Trump has been alerted to the warning about the fate of the June 12 summit in Singapore and that the White House is preparing a response.

However, the White House was caught off guard by the reports, according to aides. One official affirmed the State Department's assertion that it has received no information from Pyongyang about the status of the talks.
Meetings are underway now between White House officials, the National Security Council and Defense Department, the official said.
Talks between the Koreas were set to resume Wednesday.
The KCNA report said the Max Thunder 2018 air combat drill was against the Panmunjom declaration -- signed last month between the Koreas -- wherein they agreed to cease all hostile acts against each other.

KCNA labeled the Max Thunder drills a "deliberate provocation."
The Pentagon said Tuesday that "Republic of Korea (ROK) and US military forces are currently engaged in the recurring, annual ROK-U.S. spring exercises, to include exercises Foal Eagle 2018 and Max Thunder 2018."
The exercise involves the US Air Force and South Korean forces with about 2,000 troops participating, a Department of Defense official told CNN.
"These defensive exercises are part of the ROK-U.S. Alliance's routine, annual training program to maintain a foundation of military readiness," a statement from Pentagon spokesman Col. Rob Manning noted.
"The purpose of the training is to enhance the ROK-U.S. Alliance's ability to defend the ROK and enhance interoperability and readiness. While we will not discuss specifics, the defensive nature of these combined exercises has been clear for many decades and has not changed," Manning added.
Back in March, when South Korea's national security adviser told reporters at the White House that Kim had invited Trump to meet, he also said that Kim "understands that the routine joint military exercises between the Republic of Korea and the United States must continue."
This story is breaking and will be updated.
What better confidence building measure could there be than military drills? He decommissions and nuke testing facility, the US conducts military drills.
 

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He's doing a great job, with those 2 items. Very courageous. No matter what, don't expect guys here to admit that.
 

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What better confidence building measure could there be than military drills? He decommissions and nuke testing facility, the US conducts military drills.
It was handed on the plate to Trump by China and South Korea. Trump's only contributions was "Rocket Man" and garbled rhetorical nonsense to his cult base.
Pulling out of high level talks with South Korea is a major occurrence. Obviously Trump is clueless by continuing with these drills prior to the talks.
 

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He's doing a great job, with those 2 items. Very courageous. No matter what, don't expect guys here to admit that.
The sputtering and childish name calling is fun though....
 

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It was handed on the plate to Trump by China and South Korea. Trump's only contributions was "Rocket Man" and garbled rhetorical nonsense to his cult base.
Pulling out of high level talks with South Korea is a major occurrence. Obviously Trump is clueless by continuing with these drills prior to the talks.
And South Korea is also clueless as they are JOINT drills and it's KOREAN talks that were suspended....?
 

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And South Korea is also clueless as they are JOINT drills and it's KOREAN talks that were suspended....?
Off course, it was a joint drill, but a week before the meeting with Trump and a day or so between the two leaders of the two Koreas. Could they not have put this drill on hold? North Korea did suspend all their missile launches. Well, now we have to wait and see what pans out. Trump did not answer any questions posed to him in this respect when he went to see Melania in the hospital, so not sure what the latest status on those talks are!!
 

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He's doing a great job, with those 2 items. Very courageous. No matter what, don't expect guys here to admit that.
I would add China to the list. I've always felt it was difficult to have fair trade with a country that has a labour force as China does, and severely restricts it's market to your services/products. I admire the way Trump has stood up to them. Asking for fair trade does not have to be equated with protectionism.
 

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And South Korea is also clueless as they are JOINT drills and it's KOREAN talks that were suspended....?
Peace with North Korea is going to blow up on Trump, since he's been bragging about it being all his work.
Iran its still early, but hopefully they will hold to the treaty and the US won't mess it up through sanctions.
Both of those are left in the shadows after the new embassy in Jerusalem and the resulting deaths.
 
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