Plug - I already called you out on your faux conservative playbook views on "Liberals" (post 140 or thereabouts). You're a part of the new wave of evangelically based "Conservatives" who have embraced the brand as a way to move social conservative views into the mainstream. You and the other faux conservatives will do anything in order to get elected with the fantasy of removing rights for those who scare you. Look at Trump. The man gets elected and gives a multi-Trillion dollar tax cut to the swamp which will help to ensure Trillion dollar deficits for the next decade. How is that IN ANY WAY a "cautious and measured approach". Trump did stuff like cancel TPP simply because Obama endorsed it. Then, he turns around and wants back in. How was that IN ANY WAY a "cautious and measured approach". Same with his clueless and hamfisted trade "strategies" (which is actually NO strategy at all). Trump has backed down on EVERY single trade threat. And the funniest thing is that only Trump and his dimwitted fans seem to realize that in a trade war, prices rise and in the end, nobody wins, least of all the consumer. And the elephant in the room which nobody talks about is what does China do with the U.S. dollars their trade surplus brings? THEY INVEST IN US TREASURIES THUS FUNDING THE US DEFICIT. If Trump wants options, he should get his fiscal house in order (as he promised but failed) and prepare for any potential slowdown since we are at the end of an economic cycle. Instead he spends more - putting the U.S. in a position with few options. The exact opposite of "Conservatism". But he has moved on abortion by cutting funding. So all is well, right Plug?
The Ontario election is between the NDP and PCs
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Where did I say all Trump's ideas were conservative? Try again.Plug - I already called you out on your faux conservative playbook views on "Liberals" (post 140 or thereabouts). You're a part of the new wave of evangelically based "Conservatives" who have embraced the brand as a way to move social conservative views into the mainstream. You and the other faux conservatives will do anything in order to get elected with the fantasy of removing rights for those who scare you. Look at Trump. The man gets elected and gives a multi-Trillion dollar tax cut to the swamp which will help to ensure Trillion dollar deficits for the next decade. How is that IN ANY WAY a "cautious and measured approach". Trump did stuff like cancel TPP simply because Obama endorsed it. Then, he turns around and wants back in. How was that IN ANY WAY a "cautious and measured approach". Same with his clueless and hamfisted trade "strategies" (which is actually NO strategy at all). Trump has backed down on EVERY single trade threat. And the funniest thing is that only Trump and his dimwitted fans seem to realize that in a trade war, prices rise and in the end, nobody wins, least of all the consumer. And the elephant in the room which nobody talks about is what does China do with the U.S. dollars their trade surplus brings? THEY INVEST IN US TREASURIES THUS FUNDING THE US DEFICIT. If Trump wants options, he should get his fiscal house in order (as he promised but failed) and prepare for any potential slowdown since we are at the end of an economic cycle. Instead he spends more - putting the U.S. in a position with few options. The exact opposite of "Conservatism". But he has moved on abortion by cutting funding. So all is well, right Plug?
p.s. I'm not about to derail this thread into a complete rehash of every Trump move or policy (or even of your selected list of issues).
p.p.s. All the yelling in your post tells me that you're hanging on by a thread. Time for a vacation, or something.
Oh, Garrett's back. Who is "them" Garrett?You know Bud... the fact that your logical and sensible statements outrage them so much pretty much shows the validity of your statements.
I remember you from the Patrick Brown thread. Remember? You were SO sure that it was a "Liberal conspiracy" (aka "them") and then got called out (by me) on your own hypocrisy.
Wanna try again?
No one on a picket line is "fighting for their jobs". Their jobs are legally guaranteed during the first 6 months of any strike. Very few strikes have ever lasted more than 6 months. They are fighting for higher compensation (or at least higher than the employer is prepared to offer). And the idea of true "scabs" being used by York University during a strike is preposterous. You can't just round up a bunch of out of work professors (or even tradesmen for that matter). The only people crossing the line during such strikes are administrators. Not exactly strike breaking thugs.Moviefan - 2 have you ever had man picket line confronted by busloads of scabs, police on horseback, police beating down picketers with their truncheons. And throwing those fighting for their jobs into jail. I have and it's not fun. Unless you're for violence on the picket line which I'm not. The NDP has my vote on this...and I'm a fiscal conservative.
Also, the notion that police get overly involved in picketing disputes is also nonsense. Reality is that the police usually do nothing at all in such circumstances. In fact, usually a police representative signs an affidavit to the effect that the police are not able to control the picketers as a legal precondition to a court granting an injunction which limits or prohibits picketing activity.
Add to that the idea that picketing was supposed to be a way to communicate the union's position to the public (customers) and business associates of the employer (suppliers), to place economic pressure on the employer through public pressure, rather than a way to prohibit an employer from continuing to operate during the strike. However, unions operate picket lines, in this day of easy access to media, to prevent or impede operation. They would never need to conduct any picketing to get media attention.
Finally, the labour laws were never designed to operate in monopoly business environments, never mind in government created monopolies. In a competitive private sector business environment, people involved in labour disputes get reasonable in a hurry (in the vast majority of cases) because the workers AND management understand the potential for their work/business to be permanently lost to competitors if the strike isn't quickly resolved. No such pressures exist in the public sector monopolies. The work can't go elsewhere. In the pure public sector, employers are even encouraged to extend the strike to save operating costs from budget (at least the Universities have to consider the possibility of tuition reimbursement if there is an extended strike). Who loses as a result of square pegging this legal regime into the public sector? Only the public! That's why back to work legislation is necessary in this sector. Frankly, it makes life easier for the unions as well, who end up spending less on strike funds, and end up with better deals when their collective agreements are eventually settled through interest arbitration.
The NDP has to take this position, or lose their union base of support. That's a perfect example of why they shouldn't be elected. They aren't capable of putting the interests of taxpayers ahead of the interests of public sector employees.
I'm a left NDP voter, but I 100% agree with Garrett on this, what happened to Patrick Brown was fucked up bullshit from the word go. The differnce is I think it was someone in the PCs behind it, because from what I here the Liberals wanted to sit on it until it was too late for the PCs to do fuck all about it, and whoever is behind the hell Patrick Brown has been through wanted him out in time to allow for a leadership race.Ooo! Oh my goodness! You get so excited over politics on an escort board! (Think about that for a moment)
re. Brown, he was targeted, there is zero doubt about it. You believe in lynch mobs, not me. You also have a hard on for Brown that defies logic.
The wonderful Christie Blatchford gave a nice assessment of the Liberals, never mind the fucking brutal perspective of the NDP:
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...rong-every-man-in-the-world-is-now-vulnerable
There is more I can say on the orchestration of this, but why would I bother?
My last ejaculation had more lasting impact than your words here.
One suggestion for you... instead of playing internet hysteric and homo-erotic conservative lover, stick to actual facts?
This is pretty much Bud's point... you guys think you engage in debate but it is bullshit twisting and turning to reinforce your own stupidity.
If you are going to dedicate so much time to this, maybe man up, listen, and make it worthwhile?
As a public service, I am happy to find you an escort that will wear a Brown mask and Lederhosen.
I don't get the appeal, but who am I to judge. The heart wants what the heart wants.
Peace & Love, G.
Still with this 407 thing going on at least Patrick Brown is having his sweet, sweet revenge on the judases who fucked him over and threatened his family.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/th...rio-poll-only-the-ndp-is-gaining-support/amp/
Another poll with the NDP with a 1% lead over the Tories, aka a stastical tie.
Ford has to be freaking out, the NDP is slightly ahead of him now with room to grow.
Another poll with the NDP with a 1% lead over the Tories, aka a stastical tie.
Ford has to be freaking out, the NDP is slightly ahead of him now with room to grow.
Smaller things have been back-breakers.Well Boober, I guess the poppy issue is the big back-breaker in Canadian politics then. The Poppy Party against the Poopy Party. You sure called this one! You're a political genius.
If it was a conservative doing this, you liberals would be losing your focking minds.
Hopefully those who believe in polls also believed in them in the last US election.https://www.macleans.ca/politics/th...rio-poll-only-the-ndp-is-gaining-support/amp/
Another poll with the NDP with a 1% lead over the Tories, aka a stastical tie.
Ford has to be freaking out, the NDP is slightly ahead of him now with room to grow.
Maybe, maybe not. There's still two weeks to go and the Dippers are now starting to get criticized for wrong-headed policies like their position on back-to-work legislation.Ford has to be freaking out, the NDP is slightly ahead of him now with room to grow.
The last time we heard about an "Orange crush," the Conservatives won a majority government.
We'll see what happens.
And we're still waiting for a PC platform. All we have so far is Ford promising to reduce the deficit while cutting taxes and promising more new spending that the NDP.Well, this is certainly getting interesting.
One good thing about the NDP's rise in the polls that it's finally focusing attention on the NDP's agenda.....
I agree about the Pickering plant though. Unless Horvath is aware of some imminent risk, shutting down a very effective plant with no plan to replace that power generation is stupid. And I don't think the government has the power to decide on hydro's policies.
And that's why I'm holding my nose and voting Liberal. As the commercials say OHIP+, Minimum wage, and improved OSAP while maintaing low unemployement sounds like a solid job.
...while setting record debt, increasing healthcare wait times, raising hydro rates, and bribing us with our own money to pay for everyone else's education and child care which they somehow promote as "free".And that's why I'm holding my nose and voting Liberal. As the commercials say OHIP+, Minimum wage, and improved OSAP while maintaing low unemployement sounds like a solid job.
AND let's not forget how good they are keeping their campaign promises (remember the insurance rate reduction "stretch goal" from their last campaign?).
If you believe anything that comes out of Wynne's mouth after 15 years of boondoggles and lies, well...I guess there's one born every minute in this province.
I hate to burst your bubble, but it's now a two-party race ... and neither party is the Liberal party.
It'll be a good night for the Liberals on June 7 if they hang on to official party status. That's the best they can hope for.
With the greatest respect, I didn't just start pontificating a few days ago that the Liberals are in huge trouble.I bet if I said I was hoping the NDP would win two weeks ago you would have said not a snowflakes chance.
Here's a post from April 20, which was more than "two weeks ago":
Who knows if this is accurate, but check out this latest Forum poll. It shows the Liberals may not hold on to official party status.
https://www.cp24.com/news/new-poll-...ajority-territory-ndp-as-opposition-1.3894472
At least the liberals released a budget....while setting record debt, increasing healthcare wait times, raising hydro rates, and bribing us with our own money to pay for everyone else's education and child care which they somehow promote as "free".
AND let's not forget how good they are keeping their campaign promises (remember the insurance rate reduction "stretch goal" from their last campaign?).
If you believe anything that comes out of Wynne's mouth after 15 years of boondoggles and lies, well...I guess there's one born every minute in this province.
Why won't Ford?
How much will his promises cost?
To me the most important thing about provincial govt is the economy. I remember both NDP and Conservative govts in the past as dark days for Ontario while Wynne has the best employment stats in 20 years.. whatever you say about a Premier, if they cannot deliver a strong economy, they can take their integrity and opinions and shove it up their ass for all that matters. People are coming to Ontario in droves for very good reasons.
Yeah, its always possible the NDP is higher.Hopefully those who believe in polls also believed in them in the last US election.
https://mobile.twitter.com/fordnation/status/999707249395359744/video/1
Thank you, Hazel McCallion for your support! The people of Ontario are ready for a government that is for the people. Change is coming and relief is on the way. #onpoli #ONelxn
https://mobile.twitter.com/fordnati...4?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
Thank you, Hazel McCallion for your support! The people of Ontario are ready for a government that is for the people. Change is coming and relief is on the way. #onpoli #ONelxn
https://mobile.twitter.com/fordnati...4?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...g-allegations-are-poison-for-doug-fords-brand
To see Doug Ford shredded by the National Post like this at a time like this you know he massively fucked up.
To see Doug Ford shredded by the National Post like this at a time like this you know he massively fucked up.
