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Joe Biden says withdrawing from the deal is "a profound mistake".

Former Vice President Joe Biden reacted today to President Trump's decision to withdraw from the Iran deal, calling it "a profound mistake."

"It will isolate the United States from nearly every major world power," he said in a statement. "It will weaken our credibility and global leadership. It will allow Iran to garner international sympathy while doing nothing to reduce its harmful activities across the Middle East."

Here's Biden's statement:

"All it will likely accomplish is to put Iran back on the path to a nuclear weapon with no clear diplomatic way out. This wholly unnecessary crisis could ultimately put the safety of our country and our fellow citizens, including thousands of men and women in uniform serving across the Middle East, at risk by setting us back on a path to war with Iran.

We should continue to work with our allies and partners to counter Iran’s ability to subvert Israel and other partners in the region. However, the deal provided a long-term check on Iran’s pathways to a nuclear bomb, buying us critical time and space to address the regime’s other destabilizing activities.

The fact is that the agreement has been working to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. The International Atomic Energy Agency says so. Our allies in Europe say so. Even the Trump administration has consistently certified Iran’s compliance, a fact confirmed by now-Secretary of State Pompeo's testimony just last month.

Talk of a “better deal” is an illusion. It took years of sanctions pressure, painstaking diplomacy, and the full support of the international community to achieve that goal. We have none of that in place today.

President Trump’s decision will do the opposite of what he says he intends. It will free up Iran’s path to a nuclear weapon and ultimately force us into a binary choice between engaging in a new military conflict or living with a nuclear-armed adversary, both of which pose grave national security risks. And it puts us at odds with our closest European allies, who repeatedly urged the United States to honor the agreement.

As a result, President Trump has manufactured a crisis for his own political interests that puts us on a collision course not only with an adversary but also with our closest partners. It is just the latest example of how President Trump’s notion of “America First” will leave America more alone and less secure."
President Trump's decision to pull the US out of the Iran deal sparked outrage from Democrats and at least some criticism from his own party.

Here's what lawmakers are saying:

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Virginia): In a statement, he said that such a move drives "a wedge between us and our allies."
Sen. Bob Menendez (D-New Jersey): He said it was "a huge mistake to withdraw without a plan."
Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Virginia): "I think he will be driving the wedge between the United States and our European allies," he said.
Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio): "Without proof that Iran is in violation of the agreement, it is a mistake to fully withdraw from this deal," he said in a statement.
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tennessee): He said it was disappointing the White House couldn't reach an agreement with US allies, but is confident the President will work for a better deal.
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine): She said the Iran deal had been flawed, but she preferred an approach where the U.S would "remedy those flaws" with allies rather than walking away all together.

Turkey's president says he fears "new crises" will break out in the region:
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told CNN that he fears that “new crises” will break out in the Middle East as a result of the US abandoning the Iran deal.

“We don’t need new crises in the region,” Erdoğan told CNN’s Becky Anderson, adding that President Trump's decision is not just going to impact the region, but the entire world.

Erdoğan said Trump’s move will put the entire world economy at stake.

“That is the reason why as Turkey, we will be hit … and the United States might gain some certain positivity out of the withdrawal of this…or the rising oil prices … but many of the countries, in poverty, will be hit even harder and deeper,” he said.

When asked if he has concerns of a geopolitical war breaking out as a result, Erdoğan said, “that’s not what we would wish to see, of course … this is not what we'd like to expect."

"However, in my point of view, the U.S. would be the ones to lose," he said. "Iran will never compromise on this agreement, and will abide by this agreement to the end … that’s what I think. However, the U.S. will lose in the end.”
Erdoğan said Trump should have respected the agreement, signed by the previous administration.

“This is not how the international mechanisms work," he said. "International covenants and international conventions, cannot be annulled upon will. If any document is bearing your signature, you need to respect that. You need to abide by that.”
Jeff Flake says Trump's decision is not "a wise move"
CNN's Clare Foran
Republican Sen. Jeff Flake told CNN's Jake Tapper today that he doesn't think President Trump's decision to pull the US out of the Iran nuclear deal is "a wise move."

"I just don't think that it's a wise move," the Arizona lawmaker said.

"Our allies and our adversaries need to know that we are reliable, and I think that's missing right now."
Flake said he does not believe the country is safer as a result of the action.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-iran-nuclear-deal/

What a Dummy, who is proceeding without caution and based on personal instinct. Just two countries agree with the US sanctions. Yes, the other is not surprisingly, Israel!!
 

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Is there any indication that he had actually read it or knows what is in it other than what Hannity says?
 

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Trump couldn't give a shit about Iran. What he really wanted to do was rip up an Obama accord. What he has accomplished is making the U.S. a country with a reputation for making deals then reneging. North Korea better be taking notes - in fact that's probably why KJU has been in China talking with Xi, again. Trump is a complete idiot.
 

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Finally! A president who won't get pushed around by bs deals. That's how it's done. No more cutting these regimes slack.
 

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Promised made, promise kept.
 

toguy5252

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Finally! A president who won't get pushed around by bs deals. That's how it's done. No more cutting these regimes slack.
Finally a president who like in his personal life does not understand the concept of a deal is a deal.
 

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I’m sure Joe is happy....

Former US Senator Joe Lieberman: ‘I Hope Trump Leaves the Iran Nuclear Deal’ | The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Hana Levi Julian | 22 Iyyar 5778 – May 7, 2018 | JewishPress.com
Hana Levi Julian22 Iyyar 5778 – May 7, 2018

Former Connecticut U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman — also a former Democratic vice presidential candidate and currently chairman of the advocacy group, United Against Nuclear Iran — says he hopes President Donald Trump decides to withdrawn from the Iranian nuclear deal next week.

Lieberman told Fox News Futures host Marie Bartiromo in an interview on Sunday (May 6), “I give you the perspective of somebody who was in the Senate for 24 years, worked with people in both parties to put sanctions, economic pressure on Iran with a singular goal which was to denuclearize Iran to stop their nuclear weapons development program.

“What the Obama administration and our allies in Europe did was not that. It basically gave away all our leverage against them in return for a pause in their nuclear program – if they’re keeping their word, which they don’t have a good reputation for doing – and it gave them $100 billion which they’ve used to support terrorists and to spread their rule throughout the Middle East.

“So it was a bad deal, a mistake for us. I think the president really has the power to correct that mistake and I hope he does.”

The worst part of the nuclear deal, says Lieberman, is that it “didn’t really end Iran’s nuclear program. It’s clear they’ve got tremendous capacity.”

Lieberman says that Iran signed the JCPOA in 2015 in order to “get the economic pressure off of them to get the $100 billion. They can go back and have a legitimate nuclear weapons development program in about ten years — and that’s not the security that the world needs.”

The second point, he says, is that although the agreement gave United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors the right to inspect facilities “all over Iran,” the Tehran government has not allowed those inspectors to enter any military site, which is “where they would be cheating, if they’re cheating,” says Lieberman, adding, “and I worry that they are.”

Regarding whether or not Europe will ultimately go along with Washington if the president decides to withdraw from the deal — Lieberman says despite the vocal protests to the contrary, he is convinced they will, for the simple reason that the United States has a bigger economy than that of Iran. Money talks.

“The Iranian economy is four or five hundred billion dollars. Ours is like $44 trillion,” Lieberman emphasized, “so you give the European banking and business community a choice of what to do if we pull out, and slap the sanctions back on Iran.

“It’s no choice: They’re going to continue to do business with us and they’re going to turn their backs on the Iranians, and most of the rest of the world will do the same,” he said.

“Then, hopefully the Iranians will come back to the table and negotiate a total denuclearization of their country and then we can welcome them into the world community.”
 

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At this point it looks like Iran may continue the treaty with the rest of the signatories.
North Korea will be looking at this and understanding that there is no point to signing any treaty with the US, since they may break it at will.
 

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deals with the US may as well be printed on toilet paper, they are about as firm and durable as the material they are printed on. Iran will work closer with Europe, we will see how hard the EU presses to keep the deal in place.
 

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Consider who the deals are made with...
With a man who has been sued for breach of contract over 4,000 times in his business career.
 

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Looks like the Orangutan and Netanyahoo are getting hot and sweaty for a war here. Obama has condemned and called this withdrawal folly. The deal was working and building some level of trust and communication between all parties. Remember those good old days when we figured Trump would focus on the economy and not meddle in foreign affairs too much? The rabid wolf approacheth the henhouse!
 

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Finally! A president who won't get pushed around by bs deals. That's how it's done. No more cutting these regimes slack.
Why is it a bs deal, your Messiah says so? President Obama wanted to stabilize the region, Trump is tearing it up because he can't take a joke from a nigger (his pov).

You guys are complete morons if you think this is good for America. Trump making Israel and Saudi Barbarica happy, American blood for their well being. There are factions in the Middle East that don't agree with the Saudi's bloodthirsty ways but Trump will sell a future war as Iran being responsible for 9/11. Let's ignore the fact that 14 of the 19 perpetrators of 9/11 were Saudis. Russia and the PRC are going to benefit handsomely from this. The only person Trump listens to is Putin.

Fortunately the Saudi's will have to import everything if they want nuclear weapons, but if they get them, guaranteed one will be dropped on an American city.
 

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Trump also wants to impose secondary sanctions on Iran. Correct me if I'm wrong but commercial sanctions were imposed only once, on Cuba after the Missile Crisis.
 

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It will be very ironic if NK signs a denuclearization deal with China being the main player instead of Trump. Why would Kim Jong be in a rush to sign a deal with a guy (Trump) who has a history of bad faith dealing. Xi wants China to become a modern world leader, equal or superior to the US in influence. The idiot President is giving him a golden opportunity.
 

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The U.S. Just Declared War on Iran
by JAN OBERG
Against all common sense, moral considerations and international law, U.S. President Donald Trump tonight decided to place the United States outside the international so-called community and isolate itself, not Iran.

He withdrew the United States from what is one of the most important negotiated peace-oriented agreements that have ever been signed: the one that prevents Iran (if it has ever wanted to) from acquiring nuclear weapons: The Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action, JCPOA, of July 2015 – all about this agreement and its text here).

Noteworthy is that the nuclear deal is incorporated into international law by UN Security Council Resolution 2231, even though the U.S. already at that point stated – as an exceptionalist state – that it did not consider the deal binding for it.

With the exception of Germany, the deal was negotiated – cynically, of course – by countries which have themselves thousands of nuclear weapons.

It never mentioned the only state in the region that possesses them, against international law in the form of UN resolutions and, additionally, has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). That state is Israel whose nuclear weapons Western politicians and their loyal, politically correct media omit mention of – as systematically and uniformly as if orchestrated by an invisible hand from above.

Back in 2014-15, many of us stated that the alternative to a negotiated deal would be war. I am still of the belief that President Trump’s announcement tonight will turn out to be a declaration of war on Iran. A series of developments since then in the Middle East point dangerously in the same direction.

Towards the end, his speech was extremely bellicose and one long systematic violation of the UN Charter’s Article 2.4 that “all members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”

Without a doubt, both the decision itself, the way it was announced as well as the threats stated relating to the future was nothing but a series of indisputable violations of the UN Charter. For all practical purposes he seems also to question that Iran has the right to self-defence according to the UN Charter’s Article 51.

It cannot be deemed acceptable that the U.S. or Israel or any other country can deny Iran a right to have conventional missiles and other military equipment, at least not as long as other countries – including these two exceptionalist and nuclear-armed countries – have much more of such weapons themselves and there are no international agreements that prohibit such types of weapons.

Who has and who has not honoured the JCPOA?

It’s the United States that has never honoured its commitments according to the JCPOA: Old sanctions not lifted fully, new sanctions installed, and control by the US Treasury of all currency exchange that takes place via the dollar with the aim of punishing corporations and banks that trade and invest in Iran.

Towards the end, Trump declared his admiration for and non-conflict with the Iranian people.

But since 1979 his country has done everything in its power to cause troubles, economic in particular, to the Iranian people. He seems to now have a perverse joy in announcing new sanctions and – well, at the end of the long road kill people: Remember the 13 years of sanctions on Iraq that killed more innocent Iraqis than the military invasion and occupation did? Trump’s sanctions are open-ended.

In contrast to this, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna and all other experts, Iran has fulfilled its side of the agreement in every detail.

CNN states on the page where the announcement was made: “Note: The Director of National Intelligence, Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense have all said in last two months they are complying with the deal.” (“They” being the Iranians, JO).

Trump’s reference to Israeli PM Netanyauhu’s stand-up comedian-like speech a few days ago only shows how incredibly little evidence the his administration has as that speech has been debunked completely by a series of independent experts, including Gareth Porter here. In addition, it was 1992 when Mr. Netanyahu first began talking about Iran attempting to go nuclear.

No wonder the West talks about fighting fake because others use fake. No wonder it blames others for international law violations. It’s called psycho-political projection of one’s own dark sides. And nuclear weapons and threats and lies belong to the dark sides.

Why Iran is not a threat

Unfortunately for the US militarist foreign policy circles, Iran is not a threat to the US or its allies. It pure nonsense.

For more than 250 years Iran has not invaded anyone – not exactly a record the West and Israel can match. Iran is in Syria fighting the terrorism which the U.S. allegedly fights too since 9/11 2001 (with the marvelous result that 17 years later 80 times more people worldwide are being killed in political terror actions than back then).

Iran is in Syria upon invitation by the legitimate government of Syria and, thus, in compliance with international law. So is, by the way, Russia. Whereas every other state or group – NATO allies, friends like Saudi Arabia and Israel on Syrian land, sea and air territory or through money, weapons and terrorism-support are involved through gross violation of international law, including the UN Charter.

Is Iran a big military power?

To judge that, let’s see what the just published figures by SIPRI, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, tell.

The military expenditures of Iran with 80+ million people and a huge territory is US$ 15 billion. In the event of an attack on Iran, it may – may… – be supported by Russia or China but that is unlikely.

Who must Iran perceive as the likely coalition to attack it? It depends of course on who starts it – if Israel should start it, it would hardly do so without a prior green light by the U.S. and its commitment to help out. Saudi-Arabia is now the third largest military power in military expenditure terms, i.e. larger than Russia.

Israel’s military expenditures are US$ 16 billion – larger than Iran’s with a population about 1/10 of Iran. And, remember, Israel has nuclear weapons.

Saudi Arabia has been building up against Iran for a long time and built a coalition. Saudi military expenditures stand at US$ 69 billion. Oman’s are US$ 9 billion. Bahrein US$ 1 billion. So, a little dependent on one’s geo-political assumptions and hypotheses, we arrive at Iran US $ 15 billion against 16+69+9+1 = 95 or a 15:95 regional ratio.

It’s inconceivable that the U.S., France and the U.K. would not intervene. Indeed, the U.S. tonight declared war on Iran.

The military expenditures of the United States stand at US$ 610 billion, France at US$ 69 billion and the United Kingdom at US$ 47 billion.

So, is Iran a threat? Is Iran likely to start a war?

No matter what you might otherwise think of Iran, it is not a threat. It knows very well that it has 4 nuclear weapons states against it and a group of adversaries and Iran-hating leaderships whose combined military expenditures are, roughly speaking and according to the latest figures, a combined US$ 820 billion and way more technically sophisticated. And it knows that while its own military expenditures are US $ 16 billion – that the combined, thinkable international coalition that could get involved in a war in and around Iran is 55 times more resourceful in military terms.

So forget it. It exemplary fake foreign policy nonsense.

They are neither mentally ill nor suicidal in Tehran. In addition, in sharp contrast to almost all its potential military enemies, it is defensive in is military posture and foreign policy. Iran has gained strength in the region mostly because Western/NATO countries has produced one devastating, predictable war fiasco after the other.

Will the friends of the U.S. have the civil courage to speak up and take action now?

Will the NATO allies and EU friends – who have been woefully incapable of showing solidarity with Iran by standing up against the United States’ permanent non-commitment to and violation of the JCPOA – now be able to change course?

Why have they so submissively and leaderlessly avoided setting down their feet and say to Washington: Dear friend, we will take action against you if you withdraw from the JCPOA because that step endangers all of us, could release a new round of violence, make the Second Cold War with Russia even colder and send millions of refugees our way. That will be our red line, a concept you surely understand!

Did NATO/EU really believe that President Macron’s and Chancellor Merkel’s pathetic appeasement attempts – such as talking in favour of a new agreement because the JCPOA “is not enough” – at the White House stage would charm and persuade Trump and his war-mongering, neo-con, militarist team with obsessed Iran-haters such as Trump, Bolton and Pompeo?

Of course: Neither NATO allies – or a country such as Sweden for that matter – will show the necessary civil courage to stand up against Donald Trump’s reckless de facto war declaration on Iran tonight. They will talk and express concern, in the best of cases.

For years, they have taken order from His Master’s Voice, their state-financed institutional researchers and military academy experts have had about the same freedom of creativity as their former colleagues had in the German Democratic Republic, at the time. Loud and clear criticism of U.S. foreign policy still a taboo?

For how long? With how much more pain brought down on innocent people in foreign lands?

And it is anyhow too late now. NATO/EU allies have not dared to speak truth to the Captain:

“The Titanic sails at dawn
And everybody’s shouting
“Which side are you on?”

-Bob Dylan, “Desolation Row” (1965)

The major ones likely to stand with Iran in this dark hour are Russia and China.

And Iran will need – and deserves – our sympathy. If there ever was a case for the need of standing with the Iranian people, this is it.

They have suffered more than enough over decades – yes due to the domestic corruption and economic mismanagement but in particular due to these suffocating sanctions. And it is the people – anywhere and therefore in Iran too – who will pay the highest price, as did – and still do – the Serbian people, the Afghan people, the Iraqi people, the Libyan people, the Syrian people and the Yemeni people, to mention a few.

Whether the – deceptively “soft” sanction which over years turn into Weapons of Mass Destruction – or bombings, invasions, arms trade, splitting of sovereign states and other war crimes: the innocent citizens who never touched a gun are always and without exception those who suffer most.

Nobody believes a word of your statement about your respect and admiration of the Iranian people, Mr. Trump. With this step you obviously could not care less about their welfare and the peace of the region.

What should ideally be done now?

Just a few – non-violent – ideas that reflect what should be relevant to discuss objectively and in proportion to the violation of international law and ignorance of the common global good that the U.S. by its president’s statement is solely responsible for:

+ Allies and friends of the U.S. impose selected economic sanctions on the U.S. leadership to not only talk but show that they mean business.

+ Allies and friends of the U.S. summon the U.S. ambassadors to their countries for hard talk.

+ Allies and friends threaten to close U.S. military bases in their countries and demand withdrawal of U.S. troops (and secret forces) from them.

+ Everybody begin to practise civil disobedience against the U.S. by trading, investing and otherwise cooperating with Iran, its people and institutions. After all, the U.S. is now deliberately trying to bully everybody else in whose interest it is to cooperate in various ways with Iran. If enough countries, corporations and banks just ignore the U.S. threats, the U.S. legal system will not be able to handle all these cases.

+ More countries should now decide to trade oil in other currencies than the US dollar.

+ Citizens around the world go visiting Iran, see and hear for themselves what the well-educated, cultured, hospitable and discussion-happy Iranians are truly like – because the mainstream media and politicians have provided close to no information about the people, culture, history – and suffering – of the Iranian people but only conveyed negative perspectives and images conducive to confrontation and future warfare.

+ In addition: people-to-people exchanges below and above the state level is always peace-promoting and, secondly – it’s way more difficult to accept military activity against countries you know from your own experience and in which you have made friends. So, as much citizens diplomacy as possible! Now!

– All until the U.S. backs down from its new sanctions, stop violating international law also verbally in its dealings with Iran and, finally, accepts that other countries do what is in their interest vis-a-vis Iran without Washington’s intimidation, threats or other preventive actions. If you leave a deal because you think it is in your interest, you cannot also influence its outcome and legitimately prevent others from acting in their best interest. As simple as that!

Was this a declaration of war?

I think: Yes. However, the U.S. doesn’t bother about declaring war, it just do them.

From now on the U.S. will invent reasons for confronting Iran, accusing Iran, threatening Iran. It will feel more free to do so being outside the deal. The only countries that are happy about the announced policy are those already ganging up against Iran.

The rest of the world will distance themselves or condemn this step – but it is not likely that the U.S. will listen. It’s constitutionally unable to, seeing itself as the Exceptionalist, Chosen Country, the global ruler. # 1 in a system tends to teach and not learn…

It doesn’t necessarily mean war on Iran tomorrow. I hope by all my heart that I’m wrong and it will never happen.

But given Trump’s decision and all the other events and trends and coalition-building against Iran since 2015, it is much much more difficult from today to ignore the risk of a US-led attack or war on Iran.

We must remember that the US conflict with Iran is not only about nuclear weapons but also about a long and very conflictual relationship since the CIA-led coup against Iran’s democratically elected Prime Minister in 1953 (who had the cheek to believe that Iran’s oil belonged to the Iranians). It’s about today’s Syria, Israel, Saudi-Arabia and, since yesterday, Iran-supported Hezbollah in Lebanon.
 

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Why is it a bs deal, your Messiah says so? President Obama wanted to stabilize the region, Trump is tearing it up because he can't take a joke from a nigger (his pov).

You guys are complete morons if you think this is good for America. Trump making Israel and Saudi Barbarica happy, American blood for their well being. There are factions in the Middle East that don't agree with the Saudi's bloodthirsty ways but Trump will sell a future war as Iran being responsible for 9/11. Let's ignore the fact that 14 of the 19 perpetrators of 9/11 were Saudis. Russia and the PRC are going to benefit handsomely from this. The only person Trump listens to is Putin.

Fortunately the Saudi's will have to import everything if they want nuclear weapons, but if they get them, guaranteed one will be dropped on an American city.
Obama did nothing. i.e. with Syria, he drew a line in the sand about them using chemical weapons...they crossed it...he did nothing. Globally he was known as an appeaser without ever actually solving any issues,
The Iran deal has allowed them to funnel foreign investment into supporting terrorist groups.
The deal would expire in a few years anyway and they could do whatever they want regardless. Bad deal.
And he kept one of his campaign promises. I know that's shocking for Liberal supporters who accept "stretch goals".

And aside from all that...I find it interesting how the Trump haters are suddenly hurt by the US leaving the deal...when it is a fact that Iran does not accept the LGBT community and has a record of punishing them by death. Where is the outrage about that?
Liberal hypocrits.
 
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