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jsanchez

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I never stated I support Saudi Arabia. In fact I have often commented about how nasty their government is. It is also worth mentioning that the only reason you are now criticizing them is because it serves your rabid anti-Israel agenda.

But sure, go on continuing to support Iran's nasty theocracy.
You can't take anyone seriously when they state that Iran, Lebanon or the Hamas death cult are more democratic than Israel but then again I doubt he gives a shit about democracy and human rights. I bet you he'd defend Saudi if they were to change course and suddently start supporting Hamas.
 

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You can't take anyone seriously when they state that Iran, Lebanon or the Hamas death cult are more democratic than Israel but then again I doubt he gives a shit about democracy and human rights. I bet you he'd defend Saudi if they were to change course and suddently start supporting Hamas.
I say they are more democratic then Saudi Arabia.
Saying you think apartheid Israel is democratic is like supporting the kkk for their support of free speech.

As Norman Finklestein says:
This week on Intercepted, we spoke to the blacklisted academic Norman Finkelstein. He has authored 11 books including, “The Holocaust Industry,” and “Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History.” The story of Norman’s family is a harrowing one. His father was a Jewish resister to the Nazis and survived both the Warsaw Ghetto and the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz. His mother also survived the Warsaw ghetto, the Majdanek concentration camp, and slave labor imposed by the Nazis. Norman grew up in Brooklyn. His father was a factory worker and his mother stayed home with the kids.


Finkelstein says that he has been targeted for his outspoken views and scholarship on Israel. It has been more than a decade since Finkelstein has been able to teach at a university. He remains defiant. “Is it accurate, is it calling things by the proper names to say that the Palestinians in Gaza are trying to breach a border fence?” he asked. “No. The Palestinians in Gaza are trying to breach a concentration camp fence. They’re trying to breach a ghetto fence. They’re trying to breach a prison gate.”
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/20/norman-finkelstein-gaza-iran-israel-jerusalem-embassy/

Never Again.
 

basketcase

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Never Again.
The crazy thing is you invoke the Holocaust to hero worship an organization dedicated to wiping out Jews.


And as usual you show your racism by thinking a Jew criticizing Israel makes it true while automatically rejecting when Jews say things you don't like (and Finkelstein is rejected by the academic community because of his horrible work, not his views).
 

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The crazy thing is you invoke the Holocaust to hero worship an organization dedicated to wiping out Jews.
I call for the ICC to come in and charge both sides, are you now claiming that the ICC is genocidal?
How did you become the nazis and now refuse to honour 'never again'?
How do you justify what the UN calls:
They are, in essence, caged in a toxic slum from birth to death;
 

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I call for the ICC to come in and charge both sides, are you now claiming that the ICC is genocidal?
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No, Hamas which you openly support, who you pretend aren't terrorists, and who you pretend are interested in peace are the genocidal ones. They openly admit they want the region free of Jews and have a long history of murdering random Jews.
 

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No, Hamas which you openly support, who you pretend aren't terrorists, and who you pretend are interested in peace are the genocidal ones. They openly admit they want the region free of Jews and have a long history of murdering random Jews.
I don't support Hamas, I acknowledge that in the past they used terrorism but over the last 4 years have moved away from that to the point where they are now pushing international law more then fighting, Hamas is also now openly stating they are willing to negotiate a long term cease fire and you continue to back a government whose leader's party has a charter that is now more extremist then Hamas.

In other words, you are pushing manure.

Hamas now supports bringing in the ICC, why won't Israel if they are interested in ending terrorism?
 

basketcase

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I don't support Hamas, ...
Prove it by admitting that Hamas is a totalitarian religious group who uses terrorism and massively abuses human rights in Gaza to further it's main goal of a region free of Jews.


And you are full of shit when you claim that Hamas are 'former' terrorists or when you claim that Likud is worse than Hamas.



speaking of the ICC and Hamas terrorism....
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-area-farmers-to-file-icc-suit-against-kite-terror/
 

Frankfooter

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Prove it by admitting that Hamas is a totalitarian religious group who uses terrorism and massively abuses human rights in Gaza to further it's main goal of a region free of Jews.
Not supporting Hamas and parroting your claims against them are two different things.


Great, I fully support all ICC investigations into war crimes committed by both sides.
Why won't you do the same thing?
 

basketcase

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Not supporting Hamas and parroting your claims against them are two different things.

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Guess that means you refuse to actually condemn Hamas. It is amazing you claim you are for rights but support a terrorist group that demands a totalitarian religious state.
 

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Guess that means you refuse to actually condemn Hamas. It is amazing you claim you are for rights but support a terrorist group that demands a totalitarian religious state.

Its funny you think you're any better then Hamas when you support an apartheid state that shoots protesters of a different religion just for asking for basic human rights.
The same state that's about to make it illegal to criticize their army.
The same state that shot journalists and medics.

Why do you think you're any better then Hamas?
 

basketcase

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Its funny you think you're any better then Hamas ...
Yes I am way better than Hamas. Even despite your refusal to condemn Hamas, you are better than them because you don;t actually try to kill Jews on a regular basis.

BTW. Hamas just spent the day in terror attacks on Israel including mortar shells hitting a kindergarten. I'm sure you'll call it a "peaceful protest" or "self defense" though.
 

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And on the original topic, I notice you have nothing to say about Iran bragging about that they can produce weapons grade uranium in less than a week.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes I am way better than Hamas. Even despite your refusal to condemn Hamas, you are better than them because you don;t actually try to kill Jews on a regular basis.

BTW. Hamas just spent the day in terror attacks on Israel including mortar shells hitting a kindergarten. I'm sure you'll call it a "peaceful protest" or "self defense" though.
You are way worse because despite what you claim about what Hamas says, you back a government that does regularly kill Palestinians on a near daily basis.
BTW, if you read the news you'd note that Hamas didn't fire any mortar shells, that was Islamic Jihad and a couple of other fringe groups that Hamas had up to now been keeping from attacking.
 

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And on the original topic, I notice you have nothing to say about Iran bragging about that they can produce weapons grade uranium in less than a week.
Netanyahu pushed for Trump to end the JPOA, though Trump has said he wanted to end it as well.
As a result of that Iran is considering, though they haven't yet, ending their support of the JPOA.
For you to claim that this was Iran's move is pure propaganda, this was a move backed by Israel and Trump to end a fully functioning treaty that kept Iran from building nukes.
 

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What a surprise. Instead of condemning subaltern threats of nuclear enrichment from Iran you want to blame Jews.
Why condemn the nation that is still holding to the JPOA, despite the US pulling out?
Why do you not condemn Israel, who still refuses to even sign on to the NPT?

Seems to me Iran is acting way more responsibly about nukes then Israel is.
 

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Why condemn the nation ....
Because they are claiming they can reach nuclear breakout much faster than they have told the IAEA. But you would never criticize a totalitarian religious state..as long as they promise to destroy Israel.

And your fixation about Israel and the NPT is ridiculous since Israel would have been a pre-existing power in 1968 and would still have been able to keep their nukes.
 

Frankfooter

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Because they are claiming they can reach nuclear breakout much faster than they have told the IAEA.
At present they are holding to the JPOA and responding to verbal threats from Israel and the US.
Again, why do you defend Israel's refusal to sign the NPT and then attack Iran for considering to end the additional protocols they signed, while still being NPT signatories?
If you're going to live in that glass house....
 
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