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Ford's Minimum Wage Plan/$ 4 Billion Dollar Handout

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Doug Ford’s Brilliant Plan to Help Minimum Wage Workers Leaves Them a Thousand Dollars Poorer

Doug Ford’s proposal would take more than a thousand dollars out of the pockets of Ontario’s minimum wage workers

April 20, 2018

Folks, Doug Ford’s got a plan to help minimum wage workers make ends meet.

Only problem? Well, the plan does not actually help minimum wage workers so much as it takes over one thousand dollars out of their pockets.

Promising to help “folks that are working their back off for minimum wage,” the Ontario PC leader recently promised to introduce a new tax credit for anyone earning minimum wage.

That might sound nice at first glance, but look closer – there’s a really big catch.

As part of the same plan, Ford will also clawback the minimum wage from $15 to $14 by cancelling the next increase scheduled for January 2019.

According to an estimate by economist Sheila Block, Ford’s minimum wage clawback would cost Ontario’s minimum wage workers a staggering $1,899 in lost wages.

Meanwhile, Ford’s tax credit would save minimum wage workers $817.

Do the math: that takes $1,082 out of the pockets of minimum wage workers.

In other words, Doug Ford has put forward a plan to help minimum wage workers that actually leaves them more than a thousand dollars poorer.

http://pressprogress.ca/doug-fords-brilliant-plan-to-help-minimum-wage-workers-leaves-them-a-thousand-dollars-poorer/



Ford Proposes $4 Billion Handout to Corporations

by North99

Ontario Conservative Leader Doug Ford announced a plan to give corporations a big tax break, dropping their tax rate from 11.5% to 10.5%.

Ford has argued this is necessary to encourage businesses to set up shop in Ontario. But corporate profits in Ontario have never been larger.

In the first quarter of last year, corporations raked in $133 billion of profit in Ontario. This was up 15% from Q1 of the previous year and represented a record-high 16.1% of Ontario’s GDP.

It is certainly not the case that corporations are in need of an additional incentive to do business in Ontario — they are already doing better than ever before.

Most workers, however, are not doing any better than they were 40 years ago as wages have flatlined and working conditions have deteriorated.

Ford’s corporate tax giveaway will make it harder to support those who are struggling, by reducing public revenues by more than $4 billion over the next three years (see calculations at the end of the text).

For comparison, the universal child care programs proposed by the NDP and Liberals cost $3 billion and $2.2 billion respectively.

With corporations and the rich doing better than ever before — and most people struggling without a pay raise in decades — Doug Ford is proposing a redistribution of $4 billion from public services to corporations and their owners.

He may have emblazoned “For The People” on the side of his campaign bus, but Doug Ford’s corporate tax break doesn’t benefit us — it’s for millionaires like himself.

Calculations: The 2018 Ontario budget includes $46.7 billion in revenue from corporations over the next 3 years. This assumes total corporate profits of $406.09 billion over the same time period and a tax rate of 11.5%. At a tax rate of 10.5%, as proposed by Ford, tax revenue drops to $42.64 billion over 3 years — a difference of $4.06 billion over 3 years, or an average of $1.35 billion per year.

https://north99.org/2018/04/18/ford-corporate-tax-cut-facts/
 

JohnLarue

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Ford has argued this is necessary to encourage businesses to set up shop in Ontario. But corporate profits in Ontario have never been larger.
This totally ignores the real issue which is competitiveness vs the US
The US has just lowered their corp tax rate, right or wrong, we need to be competitive
Capital is leaving Canada & it is leaving quickly
Without new capital economic activity slows & so does job creation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...e-ready/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.302d41dce5fb

Without investment capital flowing INTO Canada our workforce will be screwed

Learn some economics & think about the future before deciding if a policy is good or bad
 

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This totally ignores the real issue which is competitiveness vs the US
The US has just lowered their corp tax rate, right or wrong, we need to be competitive
Capital is leaving Canada & it is leaving quickly
Without new capital economic activity slows & so does job creation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...e-ready/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.302d41dce5fb

Without investment capital flowing INTO Canada our workforce will be screwed

Learn some economics & think about the future before deciding if a policy is good or bad
Basically this: http://business.financialpost.com/n...canada-already-underway-in-real-time-rbc-head
 

Charlemagne

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This totally ignores the real issue which is competitiveness vs the US
The US has just lowered their corp tax rate, right or wrong, we need to be competitive
Capital is leaving Canada & it is leaving quickly
Without new capital economic activity slows & so does job creation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...e-ready/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.302d41dce5fb

Without investment capital flowing INTO Canada our workforce will be screwed

Learn some economics & think about the future before deciding if a policy is good or bad
The best economists disagree with your version of economics, and I can tell that you don't have any post-secondary training in this field.
 

Ref

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This Doug Ford idiot....

Doug Ford: Safe Injection Sites Just Keep 'Feeding' People Drugs

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/04/20/doug-ford-ontario-safe-injection-sites_a_23416518/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001
Unfortunately safe injection sites only treat the symptom and do little to treat the cause. I agree with Ford in that it is smarter to invest in addressing the problem instead. I would rather give people a chance to get their lives back together as opposed to giving them an area where they can safely descend deeper into addiction and ultimately death.

Too bad the current liberal government dropped the ball on this "epidemic" and failed these people. Maybe their strategy was to let a bunch of them die, then turn it into an election issue.
 

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Frankfooter

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This totally ignores the real issue which is competitiveness vs the US
But what's the point larue?
Next you're going to argue that we should drop all of our wages to lower then Mexico so we can compete with them, then you'll want wages lower then China.......

If you don't have workers who make enough to buy your widgets, competitive wages won't help.
 

JohnLarue

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But what's the point larue?
yeah we did not expect you to understand the point of an economic reality
It is important that a country is competitive with its trading partners
Canada's biggest trading partner is the US

Most grade 10 students can connect the dots , but not you Groggy / Frankfooter

Next you're going to argue that we should drop all of our wages to lower then Mexico so we can compete with them, then you'll want wages lower then China.......
Look stupid, you can misrepresent yourself , but do not tell me what I am going argue next

If you don't have workers who make enough to buy your widgets, competitive wages won't help.
the issue at hand is corporate taxation, not wages stupid.

Please try to keep up
 

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Should we also have safe sites for alcoholics where they can get drunk for free and are monitored so that they don't drive? No need to save and wait for the weekend to get shit-faced.

This is assuming the program isn't already offered.
 

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Should we also have safe sites for alcoholics where they can get drunk for free and are monitored so that they don't drive? No need to save and wait for the weekend to get shit-faced.

This is assuming the program isn't already offered.
We call them bars; they're not free, but they're all over the place. Often conveniently close to schools.

No one provides free drugs at safe injection-sites, if you want'em, you gotta buy'em. But at least you can count on the place and the utensils being inspected and sanitary. And not dying alone, if you choke on your own vomit or OD. And again like the bars, no one monitors how dangerously you make your way home.
 

Butler1000

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We call them bars; they're not free, but they're all over the place. Often conveniently close to schools.

No one provides free drugs at safe injection-sites, if you want'em, you gotta buy'em. But at least you can count on the place and the utensils being inspected and sanitary. And not dying alone, if you choke on your own vomit or OD. And again like the bars, no one monitors how dangerously you make your way home.
Bars are govt sponsored?
 

Frankfooter

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the issue at hand is corporate taxation, not wages stupid.
If you want to talk corporate rates then you need to understand that the stats show that lower corporate rates do not lead to more investment, they just lead to higher corporate profits that are taken out of the country.
That's the reality.
 

JohnLarue

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If you want to talk corporate rates then you need to understand that the stats show that lower corporate rates do not lead to more investment, they just lead to higher corporate profits that are taken out of the country.
That's the reality.
That is pure bulshit
right now investment dollars are leaving Canada and moving to the states, particularly in the energy sector. Good luck getting any new auto plants in Ont
That is the reality
 

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We call them bars; they're not free, but they're all over the place. Often conveniently close to schools.

No one provides free drugs at safe injection-sites, if you want'em, you gotta buy'em. But at least you can count on the place and the utensils being inspected and sanitary. And not dying alone, if you choke on your own vomit or OD. And again like the bars, no one monitors how dangerously you make your way home.
So would you rather have government money invested in safe injection sites or rehab clinics?

My choice is to invest in rehab clinics and treat the problem rather than address the symptom.
 

Insidious Von

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That is pure bulshit
right now investment dollars are leaving Canada and moving to the states, particularly in the energy sector. Good luck getting any new auto plants in Ont
That is the reality
JohnLaurie, when you buy a bunch of grapes do you eat three and throw the rest away?
 

basketcase

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This totally ignores the real issue which is competitiveness vs the US ...
So that part about the Ontario private sector doing record business? Seems we're pretty competitive as it is.

Just another case where a populist candidate claims to support the little guy but is only interested in helping his rich pals.
 
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