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Liberals Slated To Debate Decriminalization Of Sex Work In Canada

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04/18/2018 07:41 EDT

Liberals Slated To Debate Decriminalization Of Sex Work In Canada"

"I think sex workers are getting a bit tired of waiting."

By Zi-Ann Lum

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau delivers remarks to supporters at a Liberal party fundraising event in Woodbridge on Jan. 16, 2018.

OTTAWA — Liberals from across the country are headed to Halifax this week for the party's biannual national convention, and one of the issues up for debate is the decriminalization of consensual sex work and sex trade.

"This is not an issue that politicians want to touch," Kerry Porth, a board member with Vancouver-based Pivot Legal Society, told HuffPost Canada. "It's a very disappointing time for sex workers in Canada. They're feeling very demoralized."

The resolution arrives at convention four years after the Supreme Court of Canada's landmark Bedford decision, which struck down the country's prostitution laws after they were found to be in violation of sex workers' rights.

Amendments were made to the Criminal Code by the former Conservative government the following year to respond to the ruling. But according to the Young Liberals, who put forward the resolution, it actually "creates a climate that makes sex workers unlikely to work with the police and be involved with more serious crimes."

The reworked laws don't protect sex workers, the resolution argues, it "pushes them to work underground and in dangerous conditions."

Porth, a former sex worker, agrees. She is currently working with Pivot on a feasibility study of launching another court challenge to change the country's laws, again, around sex work. She called the amendments made four years ago "really damaging."

Another Charter challenge could take 10 years

One example of a change made by the Conservatives, in response to the Bedford decision, is the introduction of a ban on ads for sexual services. On the surface level, the Bill C-36 provision appeared to be a way to cut access and curtail demand in hopes of reducing the number sex workers.

But advocates say the provision was short-sighted and took away a sex worker's option to safely work indoors. It's one of several continued violations, they argue, to sex workers' Charter rights of life, liberty and security.

The Liberals stood firmly against Bill C-36. A statement from the party at the time noted "serious concerns" with the Conservative legislation, saying it "fails to adequately protect the health and safety of vulnerable people, particularly women."

Porth said the effect of the new laws has been a disappointing turn of events. A Charter challenge can take seven to 10 years "and it's really hard on the sex workers who appear as plaintiffs."

Youth wing fulfilling role to challenge status quo

Even if the Young Liberals' proposal to decriminalize consensual sex work and the sex trade is approved by the majority of delegates on Saturday, there are no rules requiring Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government to adopt the policy.

The party was previously slated to debate the topic of legalizing prostitution in 2014, but it was withdrawn before convention after its supporters admitted it needed more work.

This weekend's resolution is among 30 slated for discussion — and is one of two ideas championed by the party's youth wing that stands to be debated by delegates.

Porth is heartened that young people feel strongly about the issue and want to see injustice addressed. Young people always seem to be the ones to "pull the morality out of this issue" more than adults, she said. But she remains skeptical.

"I'm not sure how much power Young Liberals have."

Young Liberals do have the opportunity, if the process allows, to make significant change.Mira Ahmad, president of Young Liberals of Canada

Mira Ahmad, president of the Young Liberals of Canada, said the resolution to decriminalize sex work is an example of the youth caucus' role in pushing for progressive change.

"Young Liberals do have the opportunity, if the process allows, to make significant change. And I think this process definitely allowed for that," she said.

Ahmad noted that legislation to legalize marijuana had its origins in a resolution written by a young Liberal in British Columbia.

"We, as young people, like to push for progressive issues and challenges, sometimes, the party's status quo thinking."

Now, with legislation slated to make marijuana legal puffing full steam ahead, Porth said the Liberals need to make good on pledges they made during the election campaign to support the decriminalization of sex work.

"You know, people's ability to smoke pot freely — [is] not a huge priority for me," Porth said.

"I think sex workers are getting a bit tired of waiting, and a bit tired of paying with their lives."

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/04/17/liberals-sex-work-decriminalization_a_23413749/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001
 

mandrill

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Fingers crossed. A step in the right direction!
 

jcpro

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The Terb alt righters are torn !
Why? I would be an idiot to base my vote on this issue. I also don't boycott a restaurant because a Liberal happens to eat there, too.
 

mandrill

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Why? I would be an idiot to base my vote on this issue. I also don't boycott a restaurant because a Liberal happens to eat there, too.
No, they're not. They will quite happily vote against their own interest and screw everyone else on this board - including the women - if they can defeat the "Libturds" once or twice.
 

Charlemagne

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No, they're not. They will quite happily vote against their own interest and screw everyone else on this board - including the women - if they can defeat the "Libturds" once or twice.
They know cops aren't going to bug those with little melanin in them.
 

jcpro

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No, they're not. They will quite happily vote against their own interest and screw everyone else on this board - including the women - if they can defeat the "Libturds" once or twice.
What interest would that be? This is, at best, entertainment, certainly illegal, but so are the illegal drugs I like to acquire, from time to time. The illegal part actually makes it a bit more exciting. Definitely not important enough to play part in my choice who gets my vote. It would be nice, if the stars alligned, but you can't have everything.
 

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Its not going to happen, they talked about 4 years ago, the Yuts mean well but the drama teacher is not going to let it through, at least not now. They're working on the weed and the 2 things are going to be too much.
 

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Reality is, almost everyone here has learned to comfortably navigate the current system to arrange for the services they want, in spite of the laws. Further, it's unclear whether the current laws suppress prices (based on the notion that the price must be attractive to induce the customer to take a risk) or inflate them (by discouraging supply?). Anywhere in the Western world I've been that has legalized hobbying seems to have resulted in higher prices than exist here in Canada.

As a result, it would appear that this issue is far more important to providers than it is to the average hobbyist. I understand their concerns and their position.

I also support legalization based on the idea that men need choices apart from marriage (which entails patently imbalanced and logically contradictory legal obligations) to obtain what is, in essence, a type of physical therapy as essential to all of us as going to the gym or eating a healthy diet.

However, given the availability of services under the current laws, there are far more important issues to cast your vote on.
 

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Reality is, almost everyone here has learned to comfortably navigate the current system to arrange for the services they want, in spite of the laws.
Yes, but contrast our reality with that of the US and tell me that changes in the law don't matter.
 

mandrill

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Reality is, almost everyone here has learned to comfortably navigate the current system to arrange for the services they want, in spite of the laws. Further, it's unclear whether the current laws suppress prices (based on the notion that the price must be attractive to induce the customer to take a risk) or inflate them (by discouraging supply?). Anywhere in the Western world I've been that has legalized hobbying seems to have resulted in higher prices than exist here in Canada.

As a result, it would appear that this issue is far more important to providers than it is to the average hobbyist. I understand their concerns and their position.

I also support legalization based on the idea that men need choices apart from marriage (which entails patently imbalanced and logically contradictory legal obligations) to obtain what is, in essence, a type of physical therapy as essential to all of us as going to the gym or eating a healthy diet.

However, given the availability of services under the current laws, there are far more important issues to cast your vote on.
You realize that your "ability to comfortably navigate the current system" is due to the Wynn government's refusal to enforce Bill C-36, huh?

If the Liberals ran ON the way things are done in AB, you be in jail and you be on the sex offender registry.

There you go. An object lesson in why laws and law enforcement really, really matter and why Bud feels empowered when in fact he is entirely enabled by Liberals.
 

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What interest would that be? This is, at best, entertainment, certainly illegal, but so are the illegal drugs I like to acquire, from time to time. The illegal part actually makes it a bit more exciting. Definitely not important enough to play part in my choice who gets my vote. It would be nice, if the stars alligned, but you can't have everything.
it's all fun and games until an anti-sex politician or police chief decided to crack down on your vices
 

Bud Plug

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You realize that your "ability to comfortably navigate the current system" is due to the Wynn government's refusal to enforce Bill C-36, huh?

If the Liberals ran ON the way things are done in AB, you be in jail and you be on the sex offender registry.

There you go. An object lesson in why laws and law enforcement really, really matter and why Bud feels empowered when in fact he is entirely enabled by Liberals.
Well, there's an object lesson in why Oagre isn't more persuasive with his posts. I've spent a lot of time in AB. I haven't noticed any significant difference in how fervently the sex offences laws are enforced compared to Ontario. Haven't spent as much time there since the NDP took over. Are they cracking down on hobbyists? It would seem very un-NDP of them to do so.

And "empowered"? Not sure what word you were really searching for there. Hobbyists are not "entitled" nor "empowered" by governments or laws. I think you have your basic civics backwards.

I think a better description of the situation is that laws have been placed on the books to mollify a segment of society who wants to pretend that Canadians have social values which they don't. However, such people being inherently superficial, don't go looking for evidence after the fact that their laws have really changed any behaviour. Bureaucrats and administrators, knowing themselves to be as "sinful" as the next citizen, know this, and decline to enforce these imaginary values.

My fundamental point is that many apparent legal problems are, in reality, manageable. Those types of issues are not worth making your political choices over.
 
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