How about tight government control and sale of all recreational drugs and to buy and use a limited amount, you have to consent to being monitored for addiction and usage and to consent to rehab if you're dependent?
Canada considering decriminalizing all drugs
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Entering into an agreement with the ‘the man’ every time I want to drop acid seems like a government overreach, and my hippie roots compel me to be opposed, but I can’t argue with the logic.
I think the problem is we’re not talking about decriminalization in that case, we’re talking legalization. I don’t see the US DOC or trade ombudsmen, let alone DJT, DEA (sic) being very happy with this arrangement. The minute granny uses her drugs card to buy MDMA for some Yank club kid who OD’s, let alone tries to cross the border with it, and I can only imagine the response.
Never gonna happen. But, they should allow open research on all drugs IE psychedelics , ecstasy so the public is told the truth .
MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy, is a psychoactive drug , the desired recreational effects include increased empathy, euphoria, and heightened sensations. So WTF is wrong with it? Studies are needed. Some illegal drugs may have benefit with no side effects if taken with educated intelligence
These studies should have been completed long ago but the politicians said no
We were lied to about dope so what makes anyone think we are not lied to about other drugs?
MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy, is a psychoactive drug , the desired recreational effects include increased empathy, euphoria, and heightened sensations. So WTF is wrong with it? Studies are needed. Some illegal drugs may have benefit with no side effects if taken with educated intelligence
These studies should have been completed long ago but the politicians said no
We were lied to about dope so what makes anyone think we are not lied to about other drugs?
I’m sorry for your loss, even though it was an ex-bro in law.
I’ve had a few addict friends I lost track of head in the direction of Portugal, never to return.
Kind of shitty to deconstruct this, but why Portugal?
I mean, friends that successfully kick coke don’t head to Columbia or Bolivia for vacation for obvious reasons... did he go there to do his thing? Or did he really think he could stay clean there?
My cousins oldest son ODed after many rehab and group home visits.....
I think legalizing heroine would lead to more addiction, I could be wrong. I don’t care what drugs people take, I don’t moralize on anything really. I do think one of societies role is to protect people, from themselves and others.
I’d make any highly addictive drug (and I include cigarettes in this category) illegal. I would not put users in jail, I’d sentence them to rehab. I’d put deals in jail for decades.
It’s hard to draw an appropriate line in the sand without moralizing. Many of our vices are addictive, chemically or otherwise. Ever tried banning coffee from a workplace?
If the line is drawn at “if it causes harm,” processed foods, sugar and gluten would pretty clearly make the list.
So help me god if one of you takes away my wine...
I know you’ve qualified what you said with ‘drugs,’ but as the designer drug wave has taught us, chemists just need to stay one molecule ahead of regulation to operate unmolested. It’s a war regulators have been losing since they fired the first shot.
Fentanyl is only a thing because 30-years of fighting heroin made it more cost-effective to buy/sell something exponentially more powerful in a smaller and more legal package.
As long as there’s a reason to use drugs, addicts, future addicts and people just having fun that never become addicts or let it fuck us their life in any way will find drugs and use them. If the policy isn’t to somehow make all drugs a lot less awesome, and the threat of jail or even rehab doesn’t seem to be doing it, we need to focus on better ways to live with them.
Not a problem if the drug I want to buy is a date
rape drug. No risk of addiction and only a small
amount is needed.
I do heroin, coke, xo, pot, etc. Not an addict. Limited to social engagements or unwinding while at the cottage or on the weekend.
Why does everyone assume all users are addicts?
I think decriminalization is long overdue as well.
Why does everyone assume all users are addicts?
I think decriminalization is long overdue as well.
Legalizing stuff like this not only affects the user, but others.
What stops an adult buying hard drugs, not using it at all, but taking it and giving it out to underage people like their kids, or younger siblings?
The guy who bought it would have a 100% clean record if they had to do checks. He doesn't use it.
Whether it's legal or illegal, drugs are a drag. Lots of people can do it no problem, but just like smokes and booze, you get those addict retards that go apeshit, get critically ill, and the rest of society..... which is taxpayers and tying up doctors and hospitals.... have to bail them out because they made dumb decision to take drugs.
Your head's in the sand. Because of where we are in the world, we've always been part of their American markets.
Decriminalize? That's sends the message it's ok to do drugs. Pot is fine. I don't indulge but I don't see the issue.
However jail is not the answer. So change the sentencing for possession to automatic drug rehab as opposed to warehousing. Separate facilities from other criminals.
However jail is not the answer. So change the sentencing for possession to automatic drug rehab as opposed to warehousing. Separate facilities from other criminals.
The counter-argument is that drugs are always going to be part of our society, so deal with it!
My father was a raging, abusive alcoholic who made his family's life hell for almost a decade, got convicted of DUI, went in and out of rehab, etc etc until he drank himself to death at the age of 47. What ya gonna do??!!.... Ban alcohol. It's been tried. People drank anyway and criminal organizations got fat on making and distributing the product. See a pattern here?
At least 2 of the people I know currently have serious addiction problems - both women btw. Do I see any point in putting them in jail??... Err, no.
Counseling and rehab and hope tf they smarten up is my response.
Your issue with re sale?... Crank up major criminal sanctions for informal dealing by purchasers of drugs and try and make the system work. Cannot be worse than what we have now.
Portugal is nice, scenic, European, cheap. And you don't go to jail for shooting junk. Or using anything else. It's a retired middle class guy's dream come true.
I'm pretty sure he went there to party 24/7. Did he think he would get addicted and eventually OD? He was an experienced user. We all think we can dice with the devil and win - until we don't. But he must have know the risks.
Did he give a shit? He was a "Jack the Lad" type of guy who liked to tell himself he was "living on the edge" and he was pushing 70. OTOH, he had a new girlfriend and a new chopper to play "Easy Rider" with. So probably 50:50.
That's an interesting question. I buy more beer because it's sold at the local Metro and I see it when I line up at the cashiers. I'll probably buy cannabis a couple of times when it's legal for the novelty. But I haven't bought it since I was 16 as I don't like the drug.
Would I buy heroin and try it? Unlikely, but possible. Once or twice.
You have to factor in that these substances are easily available anyway, although currently illegal. I could get Crystal and junk within a few hours, if I wanted. And I'm not even in the Scene.
Why am I not an alcoholic, when beer and wine are legal and openly sold? Because I'm not, I guess. You have to factor in genetic predisposition and personality type. And control freak, intellectual trial attorneys are not good potheads or junkies, unless - I am guessing - they have depression issues or addictive personality genes.
So would usage and addition really increase?.... That's a highly debatable issue.
And can you ban every addictive harmful substance including cigarettes, candy and coffee? No. The Nanny State needs its balls kicked in and no better place to start than when it tries to save people from themselves.
All fair, and I can’t argue with the logic in going out with a bang. Retirement seems like a slow death to me right now; his final rides seem like not a bad way to go.
I haven’t been back to Portugal since it decriminalized, but it’s always been a favourite among favourites.
I guess my POV is that with something like heroine, there is a segment of the population that sees the risks of losing due to criminal proceedings, with that gone think more people will use and become addicted.
OTTAWA — The Trudeau government is rejecting a call from its own backbenchers to decriminalize all illicit drug use in Canada — just days before Liberals are set to debate the idea at a national convention in Halifax.
A so-called priority resolution put forward by the national Liberal caucus for debate at the convention calls on the government to treat illegal drug use as a public health issue, not a criminal issue.
http://canoe.com/news/national/libe...e-all-drugs-ahead-of-2018-national-convention
A so-called priority resolution put forward by the national Liberal caucus for debate at the convention calls on the government to treat illegal drug use as a public health issue, not a criminal issue.
http://canoe.com/news/national/libe...e-all-drugs-ahead-of-2018-national-convention
While compulsory rehab might be less physically dangerous and socially toxic than jail-time for offenders, it would be worse than useless for getting people off drugs. All it would accomplish would be to make more cunning users.
You have to want that rehabilitation for yourself.
Alcohol kills more than all illicit drugs combined.
All the crime from illicit drugs come before the drug is taken, generally, for the funds to obtain the drug. All the crime with alcohol comes after the drug is taken. Alcohol as a substance is far worse.
All the crime from illicit drugs come before the drug is taken, generally, for the funds to obtain the drug. All the crime with alcohol comes after the drug is taken. Alcohol as a substance is far worse.
"The damage to health from drug addiction is minimal, no matter what the American narcotics department has to say" William S. Burroughs.
