Water Wars

Insidious Von · Mar 21, 2018

How long before the USA invades Canada over water?

With water shortages mounting globally the call has already been sent to divert the waters of The Great Lakes. Phoenix, rated by the WWF as the world's most unsustainable city, is leading the call. Arizonans want to maintain their luxurious lifestyles of swimming pools and golf courses. They are taking none of the steps that Southern California is implementing. The Colorado River is drying up, it's tributaries in Colorado are getting 70% less snowfall than it did in 1970. Phoenix and Las Vegas continue to grow beyond what water tables can sustain. It's only a matter of time.

Surrender pronto or we'll level Toronto.

[video]https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/phoenix-least-sustainable-city-survive-water[/video]

Insidious Von · Mar 21, 2018

Regions in India, especially in the South, are on the point of going to war over water.

mandrill · Mar 21, 2018

Cape Town supposed to be headed for a drought disaster this summer.

Polaris · Mar 22, 2018

Insidious Von said:
Regions in India, especially in the South, are on the point of going to war over water.

The video is like Kathleen Wynne saying the sky is falling we need leftist policies such as a carbon tax.

Regarding the world's need for fresh water, it's not that bleak. The Jews to the recuse!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/israel-proves-the-desalination-era-is-here/

:whoo:

Insidious Von · Mar 22, 2018

So that's what American money is being used for, desalination isn't getting any cheaper. And the Dead Sea it at less than half it's volume. The Eastern Mediterranean is seeing accelerating evaporation, the Nile Delta is getting wider.

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/IsraelExperience/AboutIsrael/Spotlight/Pages/Israel-s%20Chronic%20Water%20Problem.aspx

Insidious Von · Mar 22, 2018

I do agree that a carbon tax is a weak solution. What the world needs most is BIRTH CONTROL.

Here is a list of the world's most water stressed areas, Israel ranks 8th.

http://www.wri.org/blog/2015/08/ranking-world%E2%80%99s-most-water-stressed-countries-2040

FAST · Mar 22, 2018

Insidious Von said:
I do agree that a carbon tax is a weak solution. What the world needs most is BIRTH CONTROL.

Here is a list of the world's most water stressed areas, Israel ranks 8th.

http://www.wri.org/blog/2015/08/ranking-world%E2%80%99s-most-water-stressed-countries-2040

Especially shit hole countries with no water.

The problem with a general birth control policy,... the counties that are responsible enough to pull this off, are already unable to maintain the home grown population.

The result is importing population from shit hole countries that will NOT make any effort to control birth rates.

"1971 was the last year when the average number of children matched the 2.1 replacement level needed for the population to renew itself, without being bolstered by immigration."

And before the losers here start their hate,... immigration was what made Canada possible in the first place, and the population grew a rate to grow and sustain,... but that has now changed to immigration being REQUIRED to even maintain the current population.

Not even considering the economic disaster that would befall a country that had a falling birth rate,... and subsequently, no economic growth.

Insidious Von · Mar 22, 2018

It depends on what you consider a shithole country.

Russia is a shithole country. A nation of unlimited potential being driven into the ground by the same old same old.

Great Britain will become a shithole country when it leaves the EU. The blow back of lingering Rule Britannia, it might get a free trade deal with Canada but will become even more dependent on money laundering for Russian oligarchs than it already is. No one else will want to do business with a country that chooses to marginalize itself.

Myanmar can't decide if it wants to be a progressive or shithole country. Again a nation with unlimited potential who's economy could exceed that of Thailand, if it could only make peace with it's minorities. The plight of the Rohingyas shows that it can't.

South Africa doesn't want to be a shithole country. If land were to be expropriated from whites, Jacob Zuma would have already done it. He faces charged for corruption. South Africa's economy has been stymied by bad policies of those who succeeded Nelson Mandela.

Tanzania is sliding into shithole status after over 20 years of democracy. The current Prime Minister has gained dictatorial powers due to - wait for it - resentment of the Chinese who are buying up it's treasures.

As Gomer Pyle would say, surprise, surprise , surprise!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eQ0s4SBefU

Frankfooter · Mar 22, 2018

Insidious Von said:
I do agree that a carbon tax is a weak solution. What the world needs most is BIRTH CONTROL.

Here is a list of the world's most water stressed areas, Israel ranks 8th.

http://www.wri.org/blog/2015/08/ranking-world%E2%80%99s-most-water-stressed-countries-2040

There was a vox article that made a really strong argument that supporting equity and education for women puts them on a path to jobs, which lowers the birth rate of a country.
So, rather then just birth control, supporting more education for women does the same thing without pissing off the religious wingnuts.

jcpro · Mar 22, 2018

Frankfooter said:
There was a vox article that made a really strong argument that supporting equity and education for women puts them on a path to jobs, which lowers the birth rate of a country.
So, rather then just birth control, supporting more education for women does the same thing without pissing off the religious wingnuts.

The only cure for too many children is prosperity. Too bad you socialists don't know what it is and how to achieve it.

Frankfooter · Mar 22, 2018

jcpro said:
The only cure for too many children is prosperity. Too bad you socialists don't know what it is and how to achieve it.

Prosperity yes, but not with a big divide between rich and poor.
Too bad you right wingers don't know how to do that.

Dave in Phoenix · Mar 23, 2018

Insidious Von said:
How long before the USA invades Canada over water?

With water shortages mounting globally the call has already been sent to divert the waters of The Great Lakes. Phoenix, rated by the WWF as the world's most unsustainable city, is leading the call. Arizonans want to maintain their luxurious lifestyles of swimming pools and golf courses.

After the guardian article the Phoenix water problem seems solved:
Phoenix, SRP Reach Historic Agreement on Well Leases to Ensure Reliable Future Water Supplies for Region
https://www.phoenix.gov/news/waterservices/1974

Just released population data shows Phoenix 10th fastest growing city in the U.S. and the larger Maricopa County the #1 fastest growting county in the U.S. Outside of Phoenix, Temple etc lots of room to grow before get to the Mountains. i.e. Anthem in the water article is about 35 miles north of Phoenix still in Maricopa County - kind of far out with lots of other vacant land between.

A few years ago the City of Phoenix land area exceeded that of Los Angeles. We are in a large valley surrended by mountains but still lots of land to develop.

End of Geography lesson back to gals.

james t kirk · Mar 23, 2018

I don't think that the great lake states of New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota would be at all keen on southern US states draining the great lakes. They would be every bit (or more) as fucked as Ontario would be.

The US is climate change denial. That denial comes with a cost.

Bud Plug · Mar 23, 2018

I can never keep track of this argument about water levels. What is the thinking this week? Are the oceans rising or falling? Is the temperature rising or falling? If the oceans are rising, and the temperature is rising, wouldn't evaporation also be expected to rise and therefore rainfall? If there is more rainfall, wouldn't that mean more fresh water? Yes, but not in Phoenix? (Btw, if you've ever been to Phoenix you will have noticed the massive water runoff canals. Their problem is as much about poor water retention (given the geology of the region) as it is low rainfall).

I'm sure someone will post an explanation that reconciles all of this and ties it back to man made global something-or-other.

Frankfooter · Mar 23, 2018

Bud Plug said:
I can never keep track of this argument about water levels. What is the thinking this week? Are the oceans rising or falling? Is the temperature rising or falling? If the oceans are rising, and the temperature is rising, wouldn't evaporation also be expected to rise and therefore rainfall?

There is only so much humidity the atmosphere can hold, so no.
Its pretty easy, by the way.
Global temperatures are way up.
Ocean levels are up.

FAST · Mar 23, 2018

jcpro said:
The only cure for too many children is prosperity. Too bad you socialists don't know what it is and how to achieve it.

As long as Socialists believe that communism is a viable economic system,... isn't going to happen anytime soon.

jcpro · Mar 23, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Prosperity yes, but not with a big divide between rich and poor.
Too bad you right wingers don't know how to do that.

Big difference is that we know that to combat inequality, we need to expand the economic activity. In the word of that sage from the Bush family: " we ought to make the (economic) pie higher".The socialists take the Cuban or Venezuelan way- make all equally destitute.

danmand · Mar 23, 2018

jcpro said:
Big difference is that we know that to combat inequality, we need to expand the economic activity. In the word of that sage from the Bush family: " we ought to make the (economic) pie higher".The socialists take the Cuban or Venezuelan way- make all equally destitute.

It has been demonstrated that the best way to increase economic activity is to decrease inequality. It is really very simple; there are more poor people than rich people, and as we say, when the tide comes in all ships rise.

Dave in Phoenix · Mar 23, 2018

Bud Plug said:
I can never keep track of this argument about water levels. What is the thinking this week? Are the oceans rising or falling? Is the temperature rising or falling? If the oceans are rising, and the temperature is rising, wouldn't evaporation also be expected to rise and therefore rainfall? If there is more rainfall, wouldn't that mean more fresh water? Yes, but not in Phoenix? (Btw, if you've ever been to Phoenix you will have noticed the massive water runoff canals. Their problem is as much about poor water retention (given the geology of the region) as it is low rainfall).

1) The canels in Phoenix are due to the huge mountain runoff down into the Valley especially from the North with the monsoon rains which often cause flooding in various washes. The canels from the Salt River have a long history going back to the Native American days. For anyone interested see water supply related site https://www.srpnet.com/water/canals/history.aspx

2) Almost all legitimate scientists agree global warming is man made far beyond what can be explained by natural variations. Phoenix is breaking records for Summer heat and again now in the winter. The strong recent hurricances are directly linked to higher ocean temps that feed them. Weather is getting more extreme all over the world, clearly limked to man made global warming.

JohnLarue · Mar 23, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Prosperity yes, but not with a big divide between rich and poor.
Too bad you right wingers don't know how to do that.

Conditions on prosperity?

Too bad you loonies would not know the first step towards prosperity, other than to steal it from someone else

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