SWAT officer stops school shooting

Phil C. McNasty · Mar 21, 2018

For those who think arming teachers is a bad thing and will lead to students getting killed in crossfire, you might wanna read this story (happened yesterday).

Granted it was a SWAT officer and not a teacher:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

Maryland school officer stops armed student who shot 2 others

A 17-year-old male student shot two other students at Great Mills High School in Maryland on Tuesday morning before a school resource officer engaged him and stopped the threat, authorities said.

The incident began in a school hallway at 7:55 a.m., just before classes started. Authorities say Austin Wyatt Rollins, armed with a handgun, shot a female and a male student. The shooter had a prior relationship with the female student, St. Mary's County Sheriff Tim Cameron said.

School resource officer Blaine Gaskill responded to the scene in less than a minute, the sheriff said. Gaskill fired a round at the shooter, and the shooter fired a round simultaneously, Cameron said.

Rollins was later pronounced dead. Gaskill was unharmed. The 16-year-old female student is in critical condition with life-threatening injuries, and the 14-year-old male student who was shot is in stable condition.

Cameron said he was not sure whether Gaskill's bullet hit the suspect, but he praised the officer's quick response to the situation.
"He responded exactly as we train our personnel to respond," he said

apoptygma · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
For those who think arming teachers is a bad thing and will lead to students getting killed in crossfire, you might wanna read this story (happened yesterday).

Granted it was a security guard and not a teacher, but I fail to see any difference because a security guard would receive just as much training as a teacher would: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

He was a Deputy First Class police officer, who also happened to be a SWAT team member, not a 'security guard'.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html

sempel · Mar 21, 2018

Having armed, trained personnel (police, ex-police, military, ex-military) or even someone who has done extensive firearm and combat training is a better solution than teachers being armed. I think most people feel 1 or two trained personnel at every school would be a more effective solution.

Phil C. McNasty · Mar 21, 2018

apoptygma said:
He was a Deputy First Class police officer, who also happened to be a SWAT team member, not a 'security guard'.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html

So if a teacher voluntarily received many hours of SWAT training you'd be okay with them carrying weapons to schools??

apoptygma · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
So if a teacher voluntarily received many hours of SWAT training you'd be okay with them carrying weapons to schools??

How's this.
I'll answer your question once you modify the misleading thread title and original post content to reflect that a Deputy First Class SWAT team police officer stopped school shooting.

Phil C. McNasty · Mar 21, 2018

apoptygma said:
How's this.
I'll answer your question once you modify the misleading thread title and original post content to reflect that a Deputy First Class SWAT team police officer stopped school shooting

Answer the question first and I'll change the thread title

GameBoy27 · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
For those who think arming teachers is a bad thing and will lead to students getting killed in crossfire, you might wanna read this story (happened yesterday).

Granted it was a security guard and not a teacher, but I fail to see any difference because a security guard would receive just as much training as a teacher would: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

Ooooops... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-teacher-shooting-utah/utah-teacher-shoots-herself-in-leg-with-concealed-weapon-idUSKBN0H62HL20140911

Ooooops... https://washingtonpress.com/2018/02/23/armed-utah-teacher-just-accidentally-shot-school/

Ooooops... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3-students-injured-when-california-high-school-teacher-fires-gun-n856481

Frankfooter · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Answer the question first and I'll change the thread title

In other words you're ok with posting bullshit threads?

apoptygma · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Answer the question first and I'll change the thread title

LOL. No deal.

Phil C. McNasty · Mar 21, 2018

Frankfooter said:
In other words you're ok with posting bullshit threads?

I didnt have the information in the original link. It only mentioned he was a school resource officer.

In the end it doesnt matter what he was. Anyone can be taught SWAT techniques. Even a teacher

apoptygma · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
I didnt have the information in the original link. It only mentioned he was a school resource officer.

In the end it doesnt matter what he was. Anyone can be taught SWAT techniques. Even a teacher

Bullshit.
A school resource office is a police officer, not a security guard as you stated in an attempt to mislead.
Additionally, the article that outlines his rank and SWAT training is linked directly in the article you posted.

Velvets · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
I didnt have the information in the original link. It only mentioned he was a school resource officer.

In the end it doesnt matter what he was. Anyone can be taught SWAT techniques. Even a teacher

That’s one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever heard. On one hand you have someone who’s job is law enforcement and who has received extensive training in armed confrontation and on the other hand you have someone who’s job is teaching. Giving them a few hours or even a few days training won’t prepare them for an armed confrontation. You put a gun in an person not properly trained and prepared increases the likelihood that they will overreact and shoot an innocent student or get themselves killed.

Phil C. McNasty · Mar 21, 2018

apoptygma said:
Bullshit.
A school resource office is a police officer, not a security guard as you stated in an attempt to mislead.
Additionally, the article that outlines his rank and SWAT training is linked directly in the article you posted

Look dude, I know you're still sore about that 2nd degree murder flap, but my thread title was not meant to be intentionally misleading.
And no, there's nothing in OP link that says he was a SWAT officer. Stop lying.

School resource officers are sworn-in law enforcement officers, but they are not always police (or ex-police). Although often they are

Phil C. McNasty · Mar 21, 2018

Velvets said:
That’s one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever heard. On one hand you have someone who’s job is law enforcement and who has received extensive training in armed confrontation and on the other hand you have someone who’s job is teaching. Giving them a few hours or even a few days training won’t prepare them for an armed confrontation. You put a gun in an person not properly trained and prepared increases the likelihood that they will overreact and shoot an innocent student or get themselves killed

Its not stupid at all. Many teachers have already signed up for this type of training:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...ning-in-ohio&usg=AOvVaw1DVANgnhZAlgQwo4QJwPiy

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...ada-40353408&usg=AOvVaw1DQ-12qySS-Wax-ukD0ERA

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/ohio-concealed-weapons-sheriff/index.html

apoptygma · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Look dude, I know you're still sore about that 2nd degree murder flap, but my thread title was not meant to be intentionally misleading.
And no, there's nothing in OP link that says he was a SWAT officer. Stop lying.

School resource officer are sworn-in law enforcement officers, but they are not always police (or ex-police). Although often they are

I didn't say the OP link says he was SWAT. I said the article that says he was SWAT was linked in the original article you posted. That information was one click away.

Anyways, I'll give you credit for updating the thread. Thank you.

shack · Mar 21, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Its not stupid at all. Many teachers have already signed up for this type of training:

But it is not just the training. The SWAT officers do their job on a daily basis.

Even if a teacher got the same training and had a refresher once a month there is no way they would be anywhere near as proficient as the individual who does this job every day.

It's like a batter who has been out for a month. There is rust that needs to be dealt with. Unfortunately, with a school shooter there is no time to shake off the rust.

bver_hunter · Mar 21, 2018

What a mess the schools have now become, thanks to the lax gun laws in the USA. The parents must be freaking out as to the safety of their kids Period!!

SuperCharge · Mar 21, 2018

Learn something!!

Caspertheghost · Mar 21, 2018

Problem is that putting armed officers or armed teachers in the schools is still playing defence. It is reactive and not proactive. It works only if there is an incident for these people to respond to. The solution must also include going on the office to reduce the potential of an occurrence. This entails many things but includes banning certain weapons from sale or possession, stricter background checks, better mental health services and abilities/powers to intervene. Etc etc. You cannot win this game solely by relying on a defensive posture and some sort of misguided notion of deterrence.

Phil C. McNasty · Mar 21, 2018

shack said:
But it is not just the training. The SWAT officers do their job on a daily basis.

Even if a teacher got the same training and had a refresher once a month there is no way they would be anywhere near as proficient as the individual who does this job every day.

It's like a batter who has been out for a month. There is rust that needs to be dealt with. Unfortunately, with a school shooter there is no time to shake off the rust

Not every School resource officer is a SWAT officer though. In fact I think they're in the minority

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