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Trump had senior staff sign nondisclosure agreements. They’re supposed to last beyond his presidency.​


Back in April 2016, when the notion of Donald Trump in the White House still seemed fanciful, The Post’s Robert Costa and Bob Woodward sat down with Trump, and Costa, at one point, raised the subject of the nondisclosure agreements for employees of which the candidate was so fond.

Costa: “One thing I always wondered, are you going to make employees of the federal government sign nondisclosure agreements?”

Trump: “I think they should. . . . And I don’t know, there could be some kind of a law that you can’t do this. But when people are chosen by a man to go into government at high levels and then they leave government and they write a book about a man and say a lot of things that were really guarded and personal, I don’t like that. I mean, I’ll be honest. And people would say, oh, that’s terrible, you’re taking away his right to free speech. Well, he’s going in.”

Reader, it happened. In the early months of the administration, at the behest of now-President Trump, who was furious over leaks from within the White House, senior White House staff members were asked to, and did, sign nondisclosure agreements vowing not to reveal confidential information and exposing them to damages for any violation. Some balked at first but, pressed by then-Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and the White House Counsel’s Office, ultimately complied, concluding that the agreements would likely not be enforceable in any event.


The nondisclosure agreements, said a person who signed the document, “were meant to be very similar to the ones that some of us signed during the campaign and during the transition. I remember the president saying, ‘Has everybody signed a confidentiality agreement like they did during the campaign or we had at Trump Tower?’ ”


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At that time, in February or March of 2017, the source said, “There was lots of leaking, things that just weren’t true, and a lot of things that were true and should have remained confidential. The president’s point was that they [staff] would think twice about that if they were on the hook for some serious damages.”

Moreover, said the source, this confidentiality pledge would extend not only after an aide’s White House service but also beyond the Trump presidency. “It’s not meant to be constrained by the four years or eight years he’s president — or the four months or eight months somebody works there. It is meant to survive that.”

This is extraordinary. Every president inveighs against leakers and bemoans the kiss-and-tell books; no president, to my knowledge, has attempted to impose such a pledge. And while White House staffers have various confidentiality obligations — maintaining the secrecy of classified information or attorney-client privilege, for instance — the notion of imposing a side agreement, supposedly enforceable even after the president leaves office, is not only oppressive but constitutionally repugnant.

Unlike employees of private enterprises such as the Trump Organization or Trump campaign, White House aides have First Amendment rights when it comes to their employer, the federal government. If you have a leaker on your staff, the cure is firing, not suing.


“This is crazy,” said attorney Debra Katz, who has represented numerous government whistleblowers and negotiated nondisclosure agreements. “The idea of having some kind of economic penalty is an outrageous effort to limit and chill speech. Once again, this president believes employees owe him a personal duty of loyalty, when their duty of loyalty is to the institution.”

I haven’t been able to lay hands on the final agreement, but I do have a copy of a draft, and it is a doozy. It would expose violators to penalties of $10 million, payable to the federal government, for each and any unauthorized revelation of “confidential” information, defined as “all nonpublic information I learn of or gain access to in the course of my official duties in the service of the United States Government on White House staff,” including “communications . . . with members of the press” and “with employees of federal, state, and local governments.” The $10 million figure, I suspect, was watered down in the final version, because the people to whom I have spoken do not remember that jaw-dropping sum.

It would prohibit revelation of this confidential information in any form — including, get this, “the publication of works of fiction that contain any mention of the operations of the White House, federal agencies, foreign governments, or other entities interacting with the United States Government that is based on confidential information.”

As outlined in the document, this restriction would cover Trump aides not only during their White House service but also “at all times thereafter.”

The document: “I understand that the United States Government or, upon completion of the term(s) of Mr. Donald J. Trump, an authorized representative of Mr. Trump, may seek any remedy available to enforce this Agreement including, but not limited to, application for a court order prohibiting disclosure of information in breach of this Agreement.”

This is so ridiculously excessive, so laughably unconstitutional, that I doubted, when it first came my way, that anything like it was ever implemented — only to do some reporting and learn otherwise.


Ordinarily I would insert a response from the White House, but this is no ordinary White House: It dealt with my numerous requests for comment, to the press office and the counsel’s office, with complete silence.

The draft made its way to me after I wrote a column observing that Trump’s silence-buying and silence-compelling days were done. Now we know that he imported these bullying tactics into the White House. Which raises the obvious question: Why is he so consistently frantic to ensure that no one knows what goes on behind closed doors?
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Ridiculous
 

Frankfooter

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$10 million dollar penalty?
Just like Daniels?

Is that even legal for a government official, to sign an NDA saying you won't say what you did under public pay?
 

LT56

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$10 million dollar penalty?
Just like Daniels?

Is that even legal for a government official, to sign an NDA saying you won't say what you did under public pay?
Apparently the White House counsel went along with this scheme because they calculated that it would never be enforceable. I’m not sure why that means they’d go along with this hair brained idea though...the White House counsel sounds like an ass kissing idiot.
 

LT56

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Fixed the post for you!
These people are not working for Donald Trump. They are working for the people of the USA...just as Trump is.

It is entirely different from working for the Trump Corp.
 

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These people are not working for Donald Trump. They are working for the people of the USA...just as Trump is.

It is entirely different from working for the Trump Corp.
It is against the law a non diclosure agreement???
So it valid and he have every right to it... Otherwise don't work for him!!

PS. He should had done that from the day he got swore in as POTUS!
 

LT56

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This troubles you for what reason?
Because these people are accountable to the citizens of the United States...Not Trump.

He is trying to run the government like it is his own personal corporation. It’s not.
 

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Because these people are accountable to the citizens of the United States...Not Trump.

He is trying to run the government like it is his own personal corporation. It’s not.
Actually the President is responsible to the People of the United States, members of the President's administration (save for the Vice President) are responsible to the President.

Despite that, you could I believe make an excellent argument against non-disclosure agreements for Cabinet Level Officers (but it is my understanding that none have been asked to sign such). West Wing staffers, however, -- that is another matter.


Refer you to Myers v. U.S., 272 U.S. 52 (1926) for answerable to the President.
 

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Actually the President is responsible to the People of the United States, members of the President's administration (save for the Vice President) are responsible to the President.

Despite that, you could I believe make an excellent argument against non-disclosure agreements for Cabinet Level Officers (but it is my understanding that none have been asked to sign such). West Wing staffers, however, -- that is another matter.


Refer you to Myers v. U.S., 272 U.S. 52 (1926) for answerable to the President.
Why would you defend Trump being secretive?
Shouldn't all politicians have to have all their communications searchable through FOI requests?
Why give a lying bullshitter the option of hiding what the fuck he's doing?
Even if you totally trust him, why would you not want to keep tabs?
 

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Stating that the President has the right to do something, and that it is necessarily wise for him to do it are different things.

TERB has a lot of President Trump is the Devil incarnate, just as there was a lot of President Obama is surely an angel if not the Second Coming. When one points out the fallacies of these ideas one is frequently seen as an ardent supporter of the first and hating the second. When in the real world this is not necessarily the case.
 

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Stating that the President has the right to do something, and that it is necessarily wise for him to do it are different things.

TERB has a lot of President Trump is the Devil incarnate, just as there was a lot of President Obama is surely an angel if not the Second Coming. When one points out the fallacies of these ideas one is frequently seen as an ardent supporter of the first and hating the second. When in the real world this is not necessarily the case.
Understood, but I'd say that Trudeau, Wynne and/or any other Canadian politician should all have their email go through gov't servers so be searchable, and everything on the record. I'd want everything above the board so if they do something dirty we can find out about it. That's why I wonder why you think Trump demanding NDA's of gov't workers in the WH is a good idea.

Somethings need to get above partisan politics, don't they?
 

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Understood, but I'd say that Trudeau, Wynne and/or any other Canadian politician should all have their email go through gov't servers so be searchable, and everything on the record.
That is the law in the U.S. It was the failure to comply with this guidance (at the time not yet full fledged law) which is at the root of one of HRC's problems.
 

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Right, and shouldn't Trump be held to the same standards?
Unless I have misunderstood, this is about leaking, records are being preserved and will be turned over to the National Archives and will be publicly available in 30 years. That is different from deliberately avoiding the provisions of the FOIA.
 

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Unless I have misunderstood, this is about leaking, records are being preserved and will be turned over to the National Archives and will be publicly available in 30 years. That is different from deliberately avoiding the provisions of the FOIA.
Seems to me that this NDA would force Trump WH hires to not obey the FOIA acts, to hide what their records and discussions of Trump WH activities.
I may be wrong, but that's my reading of it.
 

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As a point of law, a law trumps a non-disclosure agreement (no pun intended) so given that there are various laws stating that all records generated by West Wing Staff must be preserved, you can not have a valid provision of a non-disclosure agreement stating that everything has to be shredded or hard drives scrubbed to military specifications every Friday.
 

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As a point of law, a law trumps a non-disclosure agreement (no pun intended) so given that there are various laws stating that all records generated by West Wing Staff must be preserved, you can not have a valid provision of a non-disclosure agreement stating that everything has to be shredded or hard drives scrubbed to military specifications every Friday.
I believe that all documents, other than personal memos etc., are property of the government. In making people signs NDAs he is really trying to make these people employees of his or at least treating them as such. The duty of these employees is to the US and not to the PGOTUS personally.
 
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