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bver_hunter

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https://home.cern/about/updates/2016/05/cloud-shows-pre-industrial-skies-cloudier-we-thought
The CLOUD experiment at CERN has shown that before the industrial revolution the atmosphere was much cloudier than scientists had previously thought (Image: Maximillien Brice/CERN)
Our planet’s pre-industrial climate may have been cloudier than presently thought, shows CERN’s CLOUD experiment in two papers published today in Nature (link is external).
CLOUD shows that organic vapours emitted by trees produce lots of aerosol particles in the atmosphere when there’s no sulphuric acid – a main product of burning fossil fuels.
Previously, it was thought that sulphuric acid was essential to initiate the formation of these aerosol particles but the new research shows that these so-called biogenic vapours are also key to their growth, and can help them grow up to sizes where they can seed clouds.
“These results are the most important so far by the CLOUD experiment at CERN,” said CLOUD spokesperson, Jasper Kirkby. “When the nucleation and growth of pure biogenic aerosol particles is included in climate models, it should sharpen our understanding of the impact of human activities on clouds and climate.”
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) considers that the increase in aerosols and clouds since pre-industrial times represents one of the largest sources of uncertainty in climate change. The CLOUD experiment is designed to better understand such processes.
CLOUD has also found (link is external)that ions from galactic cosmic rays strongly enhance the production rate of pure biogenic particles – by a factor 10-100 compared with particles without ions. This suggests that cosmic rays may have played a more important role in aerosol and cloud formation in pre-industrial times than in today’s polluted atmosphere.

PS. Both you frankY & bver_hunter are such a loser!! Checkmate loser!!
The CERN experiment only tested one-third of one out of four requirements to blame global warming on cosmic rays. At least two of the other requirements (strengthening solar magnetic field, fewer cosmic rays reaching Earth) have not been met over the past 50 years. The lead scientist in the CERN CLOUD experiment explicitly stated that the experiment "actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate." Many other studies have concluded that cosmic rays play a minor role in cloud formation, and have not contributed in any significant way to the global warming over the past 50 years.

Clouded “Reporting”
Many climate "skeptics" have claimed that CLOUD at CERN has “proven that cosmic rays drive climate change”, or something to that effect. Unfortunately for “skeptics” (and if we don’t reign in greenhouse emissions, everyone else), it’s not true. While cosmic rays may have some influence on cloud formation, they are not responsible for the present, human-driven climatic change or alleged changes in the geologic past.

What’s the deal?
Although seemingly out of fashion for a while until recently, the “cosmic rays are driving climate” myth has long been one of the mainstays of the self-contradictory climate “skeptic” argument stable, and it’s something covered fairly often at The Way Things Break (previous posts here, here, here, here, here, and here). And as with any good falsehood, it starts with a kernel of truth.

It is completely accepted in mainstream science that galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) might be able to influence the nucleation process of potential cloud condensation nuclei (CCN), and that it’s conceivable that this could influence cloud behavior at some level. As the IPCC AR4 noted,

"By altering the population of CCN and hence microphysical cloud properties (droplet number and concentration), cosmic rays may also induce processes analogous to the indirect effect of tropospheric aerosols. The presence of ions, such as produced by cosmic rays, is recognised as influencing several microphysical mechanisms (Harrison and Carslaw, 2003). Aerosols may nucleate preferentially on atmospheric cluster ions. In the case of low gas-phase sulphuric acid concentrations, ion-induced nucleation may dominate over binary sulphuric acid-water nucleation."

While a plausible mechanism exists, real world verifications are necessarily difficult to undertake. The CLOUD project at CERN is seeking to do exactly that. The “skeptic” and right wing blogospheres are abuzz because Jasper Kirkby, et al. have just published the first results in Nature (Kirkby 2011).

RealClimate has a good rundown of what Kirkby et al.’s results do and do not mean. The short version is that Kirkby et al. do find increased aerosol nucleation under increased ionization (i.e. “more cosmic rays”), particularly in the mid-troposphere, but the effect is smaller at warmer, lower levels where the cosmic ray-climate myth proponents claim it has its greatest climatic effect. Lead author Jasper Kirkby has tried to set the record straight, stating (emphasis added):

"[The paper] actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step."

More recently, in May 2013 Kirkby reiterated this point.

"At the present time we can not say whether cosmic rays affect the climate"

While the CLOUD results provide some confirmation of the potential mechanism by which GCRs might induce cloud nucleation, they in no way demonstrate that GCRs do significantly promote cloud formation in the real world, let alone support the myth that GCRs drive significant climatic change.

This point was driven home by Erlykin et al. (2013), who examined the preliminary CLOUD results in the context of climate change. The authors found:

Taken at face value the CLOUD results would indicate an increase in nucleation rate of about 3 orders of magnitude in going from the equator to a latitude of 80. Even allowing for various reductions due to ‘sinks’ (Kirkby 2012, private communication), a big change should surely follow.

A search for the latitude dependence of the [cosmic ray, low cloud] correlation, or the related dependence on the [cosmic ray] vertical rigidity cut-off (VRCO), gave negative results (Sloan and Wolfendale 2008), and indeed, this was one of the first demonstrations of the lack of a genuine [cosmic ray, low cloud] correlation. A latitude dependence of the correlation was not detected at any altitude, in fact. Thus, the expected big change with latitude for H2SO4 nucleation anywhere is not observed.

“But wait!” I’m sure some of you may be thinking, “the CLOUD results themselves don’t disprove GCRs drive significant climatic changes.” And that’s true enough.

How Do We Know That Cosmic Rays Aren’t Driving Significant Climatic Change?
In reference to the present anthropogenic climatic changes that we’re driving through alteration of the planetary energy balance notably through greenhouse gas emissions, we can theorize what certain “fingerprints” of enhanced greenhouse warming should look like, and examine observational data to see whether those fingerprints show up. And they do.

Moreover, we can examine the claims made by Svensmark, Shaviv, and others who proclaim GCRs drive climate and see whether or not they hold up. They don’t.

We can look at the paleoclimatic record during periods of significant changes in GCR activity, and there is no corresponding change in climate, e.g. the Laschamp excursion ~40kya (Muscheler 2005).

We can examine the change in GCRs in response to solar variability over recent decades or the course of a solar cycle, and find there is no or little corresponding change in climate (Lockwood 2007, Lockwood 2008, Kulmala 2010).

We can look at alleged correlations between GCRs and climate in the geologic past due to our sun passing through galactic spiral arms, and find that these “correlations” were based on an unrealistic, overly-simplified model of spiral structure and are not valid (Overholt 2009). Standard climatic processes (like CO2) more parsimoniously explained the climatic changes even before taking the flawed spiral model into account (Rahmstorf 2004).

We can examine the specific mechanisms by which Svensmark and others have claimed GCRs influence climate via cloud behavior and show that alleged correlations between GCRs and clouds were incorrectly calculated or insufficiently large, proposed mechanisms (e.g. Forbush decreases) are too short lived, too small in magnitude, or otherwise incapable of altering cloud behavior on a large enough scale to drive significant climatic change (Sloan 2008, Erlykin 2009, Erlykin 2009a, Pierce 2009, Calogovic 2010, Snow-Kropla 2011, Erlykin 2011).

Basically, what’s actually been demonstrated by Kirkby, et al. isn’t at odds with the IPCC. What is at odds with the IPCC hasn’t been demonstrated by Kirkby, et al. And the claims by Svensmark, Shaviv, and other ‘GCRs drive climate’ proponents have been debunked at pretty much every step of the way. GCRs may have some influence on cloud behavior, but they’re not responsible for significant climatic changes now or in the geologic past.

To Be Continued?
The CLOUD project at CERN is essentially just getting started. Its preliminary findings will help aerosol modelers, and hopefully it will continue to provide useful results. After the initial furor of “skeptic” blog-spinning dies down, cosmic rays will probably find themselves falling out of favor once again. But there’s no such thing as too debunked when it comes to myths about climate change, and there’s little chance this will be the last time cosmic rays will be trotted out to claim that we don’t need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/ce...-rays-causing-global-warming-intermediate.htm

Again you need to give your head a shake instead of going on like a worn out record about "losers" and "checkmate". All I say is you checkmated yourself, with incomplete studies and it's conclusion.
 

wigglee

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Hawking's is also not a climatologist ... So his opinion is biases and full of shit!
I rather take an opinion from a Nobel prize scientist as a physicist rather that an opinion of Hawking's which he is not a climatogist and his is only a Theoretical physics scientist !
Obama won a Nobel Prize, so I guess he's the greatest president ever, eh?
 

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I heard Hawking also thought that Saoirse Ronan should have won the best actress Oscar this year. And that yellow will be this year's "it" colour on the runways of Milan. And that the greatest rock drummer of all time is Meg White.

I'd be interested in reading his paper about how greed and aggression have been built into the human genome.
 

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Political agreements don’t impact climate change, all you need is Canada’s cowardly run for the door (after scolding the US) from Kyoto to save a few bucks to see that.
 

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You go read the peeR reviewed article in nature.. It proved I am right!!
Your such a loser!! I give you the both links:

https://home.cern/about/experiments/cloud
http://www.nature.com/articles/nature18271
Nice try.
Lets put it this way.

I think you're actually really quite stupid and can't read and understand the paper you linked to. I think that you read that idiot Jon Austin's article in the Daily Mail, or likely just the headline, and think you've found the one paper that disputes the thousands and thousands of studies that say otherwise.

So that's why I challenge you to actually read and understand the paper you linked to and post a direct quote and summary of the research and why you believe its important.,
I challenge you to do this because I know for a fact you are too stupid to be able to do it.

Go prove me wrong or live with everyone knowing how stupid you are.
 

HungSowel

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For your information I, I want to add that;
Hawking's never won a Nobel prize in any of his scientific work!
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/why-stephen-hawking-never-won-a-nobel-prize-1.3842996
Hawking will win a nobel prize when we measure hawking radiation from either a black hole that we travel to or one we make in a lab, it might be 100 or 1000 or 10000 years from now, but when we measure it; Hawking will get his nobel. Peter Higgs waited some 25 years to get his nobel when the LHC finally confirmed the existence of the higgs boson.
 

bver_hunter

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Al Gore won a Nobel Prize as well and he is an advocate for Climate Change. But pornaddict is so obsessed with this whole Nobel Prize winner Ivar Gaevar whether his specialty is related to Climate Change or not. Just because he won a Nobel Prize, pornaddict buys his debunked speech about Climate Change, that he has virtually zero experience with.
 
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