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Major Announcement from Horwath

omegaphallic

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https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...full-dental-coverage-repay-student-loans.html

She made 5 promises during what was a shockingly well done rally/speech.

1. An end to hallway medicine and more support for frontline workers.

2. End to education debt, Ontario will pay for Ontario students post secondary education, and clear up existing debt.

3. A Universal Pharmacare and Dentalcare program called Ontario Benifits.

4. Renationalized Hydro and cut Electrity Bills by 30%

5. Increase Corporate Taxes and Income Taxes

More details to come. More platform announcements to come.

I watched the rally and that was one hell of a fucking speech, she really poured on the Charisma, I was super impressed, this is a very different Andrea Horwath, one who has benifited from experience, one who turned up her charisma and her communication skills to 11, and has a far, far more abimitious platform then anything she's offered before, no timid we will take the HST off home heating as the centre piece of her platform, this is Bernie Sanders level stuff, both in Charisma and in platform.
 

JohnLarue

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5. Increase Corporate Taxes and Income Taxes
That is all one needs to know

Tax freedom day is currently in June. she will push it into August
Higher corporate taxes when our competitor is decreasing them?
More corps to move south of the boarder
No thanks
 

jcpro

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So, more debt, bigger government, more spendings, higher taxes and squeezing of the middle class even more. While giving the finger to the private sector that actually makes it all possible. Might as well vote Liberal.
 

bver_hunter

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Okay for the Conservatives to record the biggest Federal debt and a catastrophic employment record:
How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.

Since then, they have been in deficit each and every year. In 2009-10, the deficit reached its peak of 3.5 per cent of GDP. They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.

Joe Oliver has announced that the government will introduce balanced budget legislation. But legislation won’t keep a government out of the red if it lacks the political will to do so.

What about the government’s commitment to economic growth and job creation? Who hasn’t heard about the 1.2 million jobs created since “the depths of the recession”? Again — time for a reality check.

The figure — 1.2 million — is correct, but almost meaningless. It certainly doesn’t describe the performance of the economy since 2006 and the labour market situation in Canada. Since 2006, economic growth has declined in every year since 2010 and averaged only 1.7 per cent per year. In the previous nine years, economic growth averaged 3.4 per cent per year. In 2014, only 120,000 new jobs were created — less than in 2013.

At the end of 2014, the unemployment rate was higher than at the end of 2008. The labour force participation rate was lower than in 2008. The employment rate (the percentage of the adult population employed) was lower than at the end of 2008. The youth unemployment rate was higher than at the end of 2008. The share of total employment made up of full-time jobs was less than in 2008 — and the quality of jobs had sunk to its lowest level in a quarter of a century.

https://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers-fiscal-record-is-a-catastrophe/

But they have no problems blaming the Ontario Government that went through the same recession.
 

Frankfooter

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Bullshit
You have no way of proving that other than self serving rehortoric
Here's a study that you'll whine about and complain its from some pinko site so just because their numbers are real you don't have to accept it.
But here it is anyways.

Corporate tax cuts not delivering on job creation
A new CCPA study tracked 198 companies on the S&P/TSX composite from 2000 through 2009 and found those companies—Canada's largest corporations—are making 50% more profit and paying 20% less tax than they did a decade ago. But how have they done in terms of job creation? Not so well.

In fact, the number of jobs created by Canada's largest corporations was lower than the average employment growth in the economy as a whole. In essence, the largest beneficiaries of corporate tax cuts are dragging down Canadian employment growth.

If those 198 companies paid the same tax rate as they had in 2000, federal and provincial governments would have collected an additional $12 billion/year in revenue. The loss in revenue from all Canadian corporations would be larger still.
https://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsroom/updates/corporate-tax-cuts-not-delivering-job-creation

And because I know you're a bullshitter who can't back up any claims with facts, I'll even challenge you to find a study that shows lower corporate taxes lead to job growth.
Go ahead.
 

FAST

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Bullshit
You have no way of proving that other than self serving rehortoric
You have to understand John,... those who would attempt to prove anything they don't understand,... will always be able to find something that is completely unrelated.

If nothing is done,... and something changes for the better,... then doing nothing is the best policy,... well at least according to some forms of logic.
 

shack

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Bullshit
You have no way of proving that other than self serving rehortoric
I respect your right/ability to question his assertion.

In light of that, what indisputable proof do you have supporting your point of view?
 

FAST

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Exactly, the right keeps promising tax cuts = more jobs, and it never delivers those jobs.
Impossible to prove that if taxes were not reduced,... jobs would not be lost.
 

JohnLarue

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Here's a study that you'll whine about and complain its from some pinko site so just because their numbers are real you don't have to accept it.
But here it is anyways.


https://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsroom/updates/corporate-tax-cuts-not-delivering-job-creation

Yeah get back to us when you have a credible source.
They get their funding & directions from the unions / NDP
The center for policy alternatives?
Please !

Unless you have some fish to wrap, their publications may be of value only as comic relief
They would be funny if it were not so sad that some people actual buy into the joke as something which is credible


And because I know you're a bullshitter who can't back up any claims with facts, I'll even challenge you to find a study that shows lower corporate taxes lead to job growth.
Go ahead.
It is you that made the claim
I do not take orders from commie fools
Do the internet search yourself

An increased tax burden decreases a companies available cash flow for investments hense jobs creation

Since companies do not publish any details about projects they do not undertake, you will never truly know the damage of excessive taxation.

Any study which tries to prove otherwise should have its methodology examined carefully to see what assumptions underlay their work
Especially if they get funded by a group with a political agenda
 

omegaphallic

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Yeah get back to us when you have a credible source.
They get their funding & directions from the unions / NDP
The center for policy alternatives?
Please !

Unless you have some fish to wrap, their publications may be of value only as comic relief
They would be funny if it were not so sad that some people actual buy into the joke as something which is credible




It is you that made the claim
I do not take orders from commie fools
Do the internet search yourself

An increased tax burden decreases a companies available cash flow for investments hense jobs creation

Since companies do not publish any details about projects they do not undertake, you will never truly know the damage of excessive taxation.

Any study which tries to prove otherwise should have its methodology examined carefully to see what assumptions underlay their work
Especially if they get funded by a group with a political agenda
If the heart of your arguement is calling someone who obviously is communist a commie fool, then you have no real arguement.
 

Orion1027

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Great!! Another politician making promises with our money. Sorry, that’s incorrect it’s not our money because our money was spent. This is all borrowed money that my kids will be paying back. I find it unbelievable that people still fall for these massive loads of horse shit. Wynne with her “fairness” and free everything for everybody, Charles Sousa and his “deliberate decision to go into debt” and now Horwath with her promise to sink us deeper in debt and deeper in taxation. When is enough, enough?
I’m sick of paying 53% of what I make in direct taxes, not to mention all the passive taxation in the form of fees, service charges, excise taxes, health taxes, the bullshit carbon tax HST....am I forgetting any?
 

Frankfooter

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Yeah get back to us when you have a credible source.
You are so predictable, you responded just as I said you would.
The numbers are the numbers. Corporations with tax breaks didn't hire as many new workers as companies without corporate tax breaks in Canada over a 10 year period.

Your opinion, which is all you are ever able to offer, is as usual blinded by dogma and not based in reality.

Stop pushing Reaganomics, it failed decades ago.
 

Frankfooter

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Apr 10, 2015
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Great!! Another politician making promises with our money. Sorry, that’s incorrect it’s not our money because our money was spent. This is all borrowed money that my kids will be paying back. I find it unbelievable that people still fall for these massive loads of horse shit. Wynne with her “fairness” and free everything for everybody, Charles Sousa and his “deliberate decision to go into debt” and now Horwath with her promise to sink us deeper in debt and deeper in taxation. When is enough, enough?
I’m sick of paying 53% of what I make in direct taxes, not to mention all the passive taxation in the form of fees, service charges, excise taxes, health taxes, the bullshit carbon tax HST....am I forgetting any?
Don't forget the 30 year tax increase from the Fords for the invisible subway to nowhere.
 

Orion1027

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Well that sounds like the old “blame it on Harris” 15 years after the fact. Tory and the NEW city council could have killed that project instead of simply truncating it to one stop. It’s not as if contracts were signed and construction started, unlike the canceled liberal gas plants. Try again
 
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