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Major Announcement from Horwath

bver_hunter

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Let's get the facts about this subway:

The Harris government also killed off the Metropolitan Toronto level of government and merged its constituent parts, including Scarborough, into what is now the City of Toronto in 1998. The hugely unpopular move meant the province was off the hook for replacing the Scarborough RT when it began to show its age.

As it currently exists, the RT runs from the eastern terminus of the Bloor-Danforth subway to Scarborough City Centre — a distance of about four miles. It has six stops, some of them in sparsely populated industrial areas with some of the lowest ridership figures in the city. It's also now beyond the end of its life expectancy.

In 2007, the city announced plans to convert the RT to LRT, extend it north, purchase new trains, and eliminate some of the underused stops.

In 2009, the province agreed to fund construction of the Scarborough LRT, but the proposal became a political football during the 2010 mayoral election, when the conservative candidate Rob Ford campaigned passionately against it.

Once in office, Ford cancelled the LRT and six other light rail lines packaged with it under the banner of Transit City. In its place, the controversial mayor pushed for a nebulous and unfunded subway extension. His rallying cry of "subways, subways, subways!" was repeated so often a local radio station made it into a ringtone.

Ford established enough opposition to LRT technology, especially among Scarborough city councillors, that the possibility of resurrecting the idea became increasingly unlikely as time went on. Eventually, council decided part of the cost of building the subway—about $910 million—would be covered by a 0.5 percent Toronto property tax increase, which was passed under Ford.

Tempted by the promise of a potentially powerful election talking point, the provincial and federal governments also agreed to chip in and cover the remainder of the cost.

Ford's successor, John Tory, likewise campaigned on maintaining the subway proposal, despite an eye-watering and rapidly escalating $3.2 billion price tag.

Trouble is, no one really knows precisely how much the subway will cost. Though Toronto has now committed to the project, the figure is only an estimate, and is likely to rise. The city also has to reimburse the province for money it spent on the LRT proposal before it was nixed.

Tory's passionate subway advocacy might be due, in part, to the fact LRT may have conflicted with his own separate regional express rail plan, dubbed SmartTrack.

Now, transit riders in Scarborough rely heavily on diesel bus routes that mostly connect with the old RT or existing subway infrastructure. It's not clear how the network will look once the subway reduces the number of available stations.

Low ridership is another concern. Projections suggest when it opens some time in the 2020s, about 7,300 people would ride the new section of subway per hour—a figure that barely justifies the use of heavy rail. By comparison, the seven-stop LRT now in the trash would have attracted about 8,000 riders per hour for much less money.

https://www.citylab.com/transportat...able-plan-to-add-a-single-subway-stop/491687/

In other words a waste of taxpayers money by the Ford project.
 

Polaris

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hornyville
So, more debt, bigger government, more spendings, higher taxes and squeezing of the middle class even more. While giving the finger to the private sector that actually makes it all possible. Might as well vote Liberal.
Might as well vote Liberal.

That ... was great!

:beguiled:
 

JohnLarue

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If the heart of your arguement is calling someone who obviously is communist a commie fool, then you have no real arguement.
It is pointless arguing economics with a commie
They just do not get it

The center for policy alternatives?

That is not a credible source
 

JohnLarue

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You are so predictable, you responded just as I said you would.
So you understand that the The center for policy alternatives is a joke


The numbers are the numbers. Corporations with tax breaks didn't hire as many new workers as companies without corporate tax breaks in Canada over a 10 year period.
That proves nothing & is certainly not a justification for raising corporate taxes to pay for past waste by government


Your opinion, which is all you are ever able to offer, is as usual blinded by dogma and not based in reality.
Not Based in reality ??
You are the one who refuses to acknowledge Ont has a financial problem

Like an ostrich you stick you head in the sand and hope the debt issue magically goes away

What a dope you are

Stop pushing Reaganomics, it failed decades ago.
Stop pushing the fantasy of your commie dream.
We all know how well that worked in Russia
 

Orion1027

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Admittedly a one or two stop subway line isn’t the best use of resources, but in this era of throwing around billions of borrowed dollars it shouldn’t come as a surprise.

Again, if it’s such a bad thing why didn’t the current administration kill it off? Neither Rob Ford nor Mike Harris have been in office for some time, so stop beating a dead horse. Your dear Liberal Leaders routinely waste more money before you’ve had time to drink your morning coffee. Face it the liberals are an abject failure for Ontario.

And now the NDP seems to have taken a page out of the Liberal Play book with more big spending and more job killing taxes.
 

Moviefan-2

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Oct 17, 2011
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The promise to buy back Hydro One is interesting. One wonders whether it creates an issue for "progressives" who abandoned the NDP in the last election and voted Liberal.

At the very least, it puts the Liberals on the defensive on an issue that hurts them on the left. They certainly can't claim they did it to get the books balanced. :biggrin1:
 

FAST

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Well that sounds like the old “blame it on Harris” 15 years after the fact. Tory and the NEW city council could have killed that project instead of simply truncating it to one stop. It’s not as if contracts were signed and construction started, unlike the canceled liberal gas plants. Try again
And don't forget to blame Trump,... that seems to be the other run away from reality tactic of the socialism/communism supporters here.

A government taking control of private enterprises,... is the hall mark of socialism/communism.

One party fucked energy up,... another one's solution is to buy a private source,... yep,... that'll fix it.

Pretty much further cementing union votes for the Dippers.
 

saxon

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The Ontario government’s biggest expenditure is health care, second on the list is debt repayments. That should tell you how well the Liberals have managed our tax dollars.
 

Frankfooter

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There is no new taxes from a subway project which was not built
You are one messed up dude
Sure there is.
In a decision the penny-pinching mayor said kept him up at night, Ford supported a 1.6 per cent property tax levy to pay the city’s share of the three-stop subway, which is estimated to cost between $2.5 billion and $3 billion.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20..._will_council_change_direction_yet_again.html

Do you enjoy being wrong so often?
 

Orion1027

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Don’t worry, it’s just wishful thinking on the part of the misguided and misinformed left leaning liberals. Wynne is done like dinner along with that poor excuse of a finance minister. Never have I seen a more inept duo outside the confines of a poorly written movie. They (Wynne & Sousa) remind me of Boss Hogg and Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrain, just laughable what comes out of their mouths, and even more laughable that there are people in this province that believed them.
 

Moviefan-2

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Don’t worry, it’s just wishful thinking on the part of the misguided and misinformed left leaning liberals. Wynne is done like dinner along with that poor excuse of a finance minister. Never have I seen a more inept duo outside the confines of a poorly written movie. They (Wynne & Sousa) remind me of Boss Hogg and Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrain, just laughable what comes out of their mouths, and even more laughable that there are people in this province that believed them.
Wynne's deceit is catching up with her.

In the last election, she said Ontario was on track to balance its books. There was no mention of privatizing Hydro One -- something the NDP is now attacking.

As well, Wynne said in the last election she wouldn't bring in a carbon tax, which most people reasonably took to mean she was saying 'no' to "carbon pricing." She has now brought in cap and trade -- a "carbon tax" by another name -- which the Tories are now attacking.

It should be a fun election.
 

JohnLarue

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Jan 19, 2005
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The subway has not been built so Ford has not wasted any money

You must be running scared if you need to attack Ford based upon a non-exsistant subway

a more logical approach would be to highlight the plan the NDP has for managing the debt

Oh yes I forgot, their plan is to ignore it,& borrow billions more

Do you enjoy being wrong so often?
That is too funny coming from you, the total fool who says "Ont is doing OK"
If you ever got anything right, a press conference would have to be called


There are three choices
One says he will work to reduce the debt
The second says she will expand government and raise taxes, no mention of a plan to reduce the debt, in fact the debt will balloon more
And the third created the mess &could not even manage to balance the budget in an election year

One of the three needs to manage the debt down while higher rates add $12 B a year to govt expenses and health care demand skyrockets
It is a task which will be very difficult to accomplish & it requires cost cutting

One one of the candidates is wiling / able to cut costs
End of story
 

omegaphallic

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Don’t worry, it’s just wishful thinking on the part of the misguided and misinformed left leaning liberals. Wynne is done like dinner along with that poor excuse of a finance minister. Never have I seen a more inept duo outside the confines of a poorly written movie. They (Wynne & Sousa) remind me of Boss Hogg and Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrain, just laughable what comes out of their mouths, and even more laughable that there are people in this province that believed them.
She's doomed because she privatized hydro, making hydro rates skyrocket, its the kind of thing the Tories would do.
 

omegaphallic

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Wynne's deceit is catching up with her.

In the last election, she said Ontario was on track to balance its books. There was no mention of privatizing Hydro One -- something the NDP is now attacking.

As well, Wynne said in the last election she wouldn't bring in a carbon tax, which most people reasonably took to mean she was saying 'no' to "carbon pricing." She has now brought in cap and trade -- a "carbon tax" by another name -- which the Tories are now attacking.

It should be a fun election.
Actually there was some mention of it, but the The Star buried the story, and instead tried to make Andrea Horwath out to be Marget Thatcher. So its understandable if you didn't know it ahead of time, it was covered up. I however knew and voted NDP.
 

Orion1027

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She's doomed because she privatized hydro, making hydro rates skyrocket, its the kind of thing the Tories would do.
The Tories were in power for 42 uninterrupted years and again for another 8 under Harris/Eves and hydro was never sold off. Then along comes Wynne’s broke assed liberals and they sell it off in a last ditch effort to balance a single budget. How’s that for cutting off your nose to spite your face? Come to think of it everything they’ve touched turned to dog shit!!
-employer health tax
-hydro sell off
-hydro rates
-income & excise taxes
-increased fees on everything
-cap & trade
-out of control spending
-tripling the debt to 300 billion
-ehealth
-green belt
-green energy act
-ornge
-gas plants
-Caledonia
-Presto card system
-UP express
...and the list keeps going
 

omegaphallic

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So you understand that the The center for policy alternatives is a joke




That proves nothing & is certainly not a justification for raising corporate taxes to pay for past waste by government




Not Based in reality ??
You are the one who refuses to acknowledge Ont has a financial problem

Like an ostrich you stick you head in the sand and hope the debt issue magically goes away

What a dope you are



Stop pushing the fantasy of your commie dream.
We all know how well that worked in Russia
Your confusing the Centre for Policy Alternatives with the bought and payed for Fraiser Institute, which is the actual joke.
 
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