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Frankfooter

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Your stats and studies are a joke
No facts needed for Larue!
(blowhard)

Keep pushing your failed Reaganomics, Larue, maybe this time it'll work.
And don't you find it sad that you can't find one example of the policies you push working successfully?
And yet you still support them?
 

Ref

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'Cuz Tory is afraid of the 'burbs.
He won't can the $3 billion Ford station and he won't release the numbers to tell us how much it'll cost.
Tory's plan is unfunded, as far as I know.

Those tax increases are still in place because in theory the Ford boondoggle is still happening.
In theory.
Tory is just one vote. Sounds like the councilors have decided to keep the Ford tax increase for their own use. To me, even if Ford had not added the "subway" tax, chances are the city would have increased taxes to the current level regardless.

Per the subway, again Tory is just one vote. Also, didn't the provincial Liberals run a campaign on the Scarborough subway? Wasn't it Mitzi Hunter with support from Wynn that it was a great plan?

I can understand that you hate the Ford's for the Scarborough subway, but it has been supported by the Wynn government. Are you also upset with the Wynn government for supporting the project? After all they are throwing tax dollars at it - In effect, they are hitting you with a tax increase for this project. Are you upset at the Ford tax but not upset at the Wynn tax?

There are different governments but only one taxpayer.
 

Frankfooter

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I can understand that you hate the Ford's for the Scarborough subway, but it has been supported by the Wynn government. Are you also upset with the Wynn government for supporting the project? After all they are throwing tax dollars at it - In effect, they are hitting you with a tax increase for this project. Are you upset at the Ford tax but not upset at the Wynn tax?

There are different governments but only one taxpayer.
Wynne is supporting the city and not playing politics, she's doing as she's supposed to.
Its the Fords that pushed this proposal and killed the free to Toronto and much better, transit city plan that was already in place.
You think this one $3 billion stop is better then free LRT's across the city with no tax increases?
 

Ref

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Wynne is supporting the city and not playing politics, she's doing as she's supposed to.
Its the Fords that pushed this proposal and killed the free to Toronto and much better, transit city plan that was already in place.
You think this one $3 billion stop is better then free LRT's across the city with no tax increases?
LRT's are not free.

Wynn is playing politics because her government did not support a Scarborough subway and then did a 180 in order to get her candidate, Mitzi Hunter, elected. That is playing politics.

I think Rob Ford should have compromised on the subway and looked into LRT's as well, however once it was endorsed by all levels of government they should go ahead with it.
 

Butler1000

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Wynne is supporting the city and not playing politics, she's doing as she's supposed to.
Its the Fords that pushed this proposal and killed the free to Toronto and much better, transit city plan that was already in place.
You think this one $3 billion stop is better then free LRT's across the city with no tax increases?
Wynne is ALWAYS playing politics. Stop trying to snow the people here.

Its laughable.
 

Frankfooter

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LRT's are not free.

Wynn is playing politics because her government did not support a Scarborough subway and then did a 180 in order to get her candidate, Mitzi Hunter, elected. That is playing politics.

I think Rob Ford should have compromised on the subway and looked into LRT's as well, however once it was endorsed by all levels of government they should go ahead with it.
Free for the city, Miller's Transit City had full provincial funding and wouldn't have cost the city anything.

The subway was a stupid waste of billions when the Fords started it and its an even bigger waste of money now.
It should be canned and replaced with transit that suits the needs of the people there.

Doug Ford is responsible for pushing a $3 billion single subway stop on the city.
He's not to be trusted as economically wise.
 

Orion1027

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Notice you only read and hear what you choose. I never mentioned leaving Canada, I only mentioned incorporating overseas and paying taxes elsewhere. While it’s a bit of a pain in the ass to repatriate your money it’s not impossible. You are of the opinion that the state must provide for you and that success and affluence is something that should be sanctioned. Without a viable free market there is little chance of having the social services you’re accustomed too. So stop shitting all over those that provide you with the pulpit from which you spew from. Remember what Thatcher once said, with socialism sooner or later you run out of other people’s money to spend. And my friend, Ontario has reached that point.
 

omegaphallic

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Notice you only read and hear what you choose. I never mentioned leaving Canada, I only mentioned incorporating overseas and paying taxes elsewhere. While it’s a bit of a pain in the ass to repatriate your money it’s not impossible. You are of the opinion that the state must provide for you and that success and affluence is something that should be sanctioned. Without a viable free market there is little chance of having the social services you’re accustomed too. So stop shitting all over those that provide you with the pulpit from which you spew from. Remember what Thatcher once said, with socialism sooner or later you run out of other people’s money to spend. And my friend, Ontario has reached that point.
No one has promised to remove the free market, Ontario will remain capitalist under all of them and all will have some sort of social programs, so can we dispense with the damn commies hyperbole?
 

JohnLarue

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No facts needed for Larue!
(blowhard)
Look. I provided you with real life examples of recent money & jobs leaving Canada, yet you think your union paid for "Studies" are gospel

Keep pushing your failed Reaganomics, Larue, maybe this time it'll work.
Reaganomics-??- Nope, It is called common sense & it sure beats your communist view of the world & the economy.

You desperately want higher taxes for wealth redistribution & you do not care what happens to the economy.
Well that is not going to happen

And don't you find it sad that you can't find one example of the policies you push working successfully?
More grabage from the propaganda machine
What part of oil investment moving south did you not understand ?

here is a couple more
Home Depot, Lowes, At&T & Walmart all gave out wage increases due to the US tax cut & they are hiring.
Canada has to remain competitive wrt corp taxes.

Your claim that Andrea's plan for higher corp & income tax will not hurt out economy is pure propaganda as you once again try to deceive others.

Do you understand what integrity is?
 

JohnLarue

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Free for the city, Miller's Transit City had full provincial funding and wouldn't have cost the city anything.

The subway was a stupid waste of billions when the Fords started it and its an even bigger waste of money now.
It should be canned and replaced with transit that suits the needs of the people there.

Doug Ford is responsible for pushing a $3 billion single subway stop on the city.
He's not to be trusted as economically wise.
Says you. The one who claims "Ont is doing OK"
Your opinion on economic issues is nothing more than a joke, comic relief and a sad indictment of our education system.
 

JohnLarue

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No one has promised to remove the free market, Ontario will remain capitalist under all of them and all will have some sort of social programs, so can we dispense with the damn commies hyperbole?
Of coarse no one promised to remove the free market
That would mean they were being honest & open with the electorate.

But when wealth redistribution is the objective, then the free market is eroded .
 

Frankfooter

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Look. I provided you with real life examples of recent money & jobs leaving Canada, yet you think your union paid for "Studies" are gospel


Reaganomics-??- Nope, It is called common sense & it sure beats your communist view of the world & the economy.
'Real life example's'?
Bullshit, sir, you just ranted, insulted and generally loudly and boorishly opined.

You offer nothing.
By the way, the minimum wage increase in Ontario will have real effect, the 'wage increases' from Trump tax cuts are for show only.
 

Frankfooter

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Says you. The one who claims "Ont is doing OK"
Your opinion on economic issues is nothing more than a joke, comic relief and a sad indictment of our education system.
Dude, are you really going to back the Ford subway station, with a cost of $3 billion + vs the free for the city Miller Transit City?
Rob Ford’s war on public transit
Why is Rob Ford glad he tore up a fully funded transit plan and replaced it with one costing billions more yet offering less service? He drives a car.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2011/12/30/rob_fords_war_on_public_transit.html

You obviously have no sense of reality or good economic sense.
 

Orion1027

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I guess I just don’t get then, people being taxed at 53% it really must foster an environment where it promotes investment, innovation and prosperity. Pleased, you and others champion the idea of hitting high net worth earners and then try to shame them into silence as if they’ve done something wrong. There’s no malfeasance in earning a high salary, yet we are branded as 1%ers and thus must be forced to pay more because we can. Then idiots like Sousa and Trudeau make it seem like they’ve gone out to forest and have slain the giant.
 

Ref

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Free for the city, Miller's Transit City had full provincial funding and wouldn't have cost the city anything.

The subway was a stupid waste of billions when the Fords started it and its an even bigger waste of money now.
It should be canned and replaced with transit that suits the needs of the people there.

Doug Ford is responsible for pushing a $3 billion single subway stop on the city.
He's not to be trusted as economically wise.
So you are pissed off that Ford supports a subway, but not pissed off at Wynn who supports the same subway?
 

Frankfooter

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So you are pissed off that Ford supports a subway, but not pissed off at Wynn who supports the same subway?
I'm pissed of that the Fords killed Transit City and put a $3 billion single subway stop in its place.
Wynne did as she is supposed to do, support the City of Toronto when it comes to a decision, even if she doesn't agree with it.
 

Ref

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I'm pissed of that the Fords killed Transit City and put a $3 billion single subway stop in its place.
Wynne did as she is supposed to do, support the City of Toronto when it comes to a decision, even if she doesn't agree with it.
LOL! Two politicians do the exact same thing and your reaction is that you are for one and against the other - All because of the party they represent?

Partisan politics at its finest!
 

Polaris

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LOL! Two politicians do the exact same thing and your reaction is that you are for one and against the other - All because of the party they represent?

Partisan politics at its finest!
Ontario politics, Toronto politics, dirty as anything.

If Doug Ford can come across as a straight talking, cut to chase person, and not some sleazy politician with the double talk, he will crush the 2 leftist parties.
 

Frankfooter

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LOL! Two politicians do the exact same thing and your reaction is that you are for one and against the other - All because of the party they represent?

Partisan politics at its finest!
Not at all.
Its up to the city of Toronto to tell the province what they want and the province to support it.
Would you prefer that the province say no to municipalities and decide what they need based on their preferences?
 

Frankfooter

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LOL! Two politicians do the exact same thing and your reaction is that you are for one and against the other - All because of the party they represent?

Partisan politics at its finest!
You don't understand politics very well, do you?

The city picks their policies and the province supports it.
Or do you really think that the province should only fund things that they want, as far as cities go.
Do you really think that the province should over rule the cities decisions?
 
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