Sexy Friends Toronto
Toronto Escorts

Quebec banning sweetened alcoholic drinks

sempel

Banned
Feb 23, 2017
3,649
25
0
Just saw an article talking about Quebec banning the sale of sweetened alcoholic drinks and alcoholic energy drinks with alcohol content above 7%. This is the result of a 14-year old girl stealing a few tallboys, drinking, and ending up dead after a series of unfortunate events.

I don't know what the research/science is on 12% alcohol but that was the content of the drink, Fckd up (something like this). Personal experience has determined that red bull and vodka is a pretty lethal combo, especially a few within a short period.

But whatever the science, I'm going to ask the obvious question. Why is the industry being punished for the actions of 1 underage teen? Where is the accountability of the individual? I have no problem blaming the victim since she shouldn't have been drinking since she's underage, she stole the drinks, and in some cases age correlates with size and an 18 year old is most likely bigger and more developed than a 14 year old so her reaction is not what is expected.
 

_Melissa

Tall/Curvy Ebony Seductress
Apr 25, 2017
762
243
63
Toronto
www.beacons.ai
Just saw an article talking about Quebec banning the sale of sweetened alcoholic drinks and alcoholic energy drinks with alcohol content above 7%. This is the result of a 14-year old girl stealing a few tallboys, drinking, and ending up dead after a series of unfortunate events.

I don't know what the research/science is on 12% alcohol but that was the content of the drink, Fckd up (something like this). Personal experience has determined that red bull and vodka is a pretty lethal combo, especially a few within a short period.

But whatever the science, I'm going to ask the obvious question. Why is the industry being punished for the actions of 1 underage teen? Where is the accountability of the individual? I have no problem blaming the victim since she shouldn't have been drinking since she's underage, she stole the drinks, and in some cases age correlates with size and an 18 year old is most likely bigger and more developed than a 14 year old so her reaction is not what is expected.
Can I also point out that she could have stolen ANY kind of alcohol beverage and the end result would have been the same.

I’ll also comment that I no longer drink sugary alcohol drinks like Vex, Smirnoff ice and all the rest. It makes me feel nauseous quickly and gives me a disgusting sloppy drunk feeling with the worst hangover in the morning that lasts at least 24 hours. The kind of drunk it gives me makes me feel like shit. I’ll stick to vodka and cranberry juice or rum and coke when I want to drink dark.

It’s sad that a young girl is gone because of this though. My sister is 15 and I couldn’t imagine this happening. My heart breaks for the family.
 

managee

Banned
Jun 19, 2013
1,731
2
0
Quebec to ban sugary, high-alcohol drinks from grocery, conveniences stores following 14-year-old’s death

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/03/13/quebec-to-ban-sugary-high-alcohol-drinks-from-grocery-conveniences-stores-following-14-year-olds-death.html

A 14-year-old girl was found dead in a stream behind her high school in Laval on March 1 after reportedly drinking stolen cans of FCKD UP, a sweetened, malt-based alcoholic beverage with an alcohol content of 11.9 per cent — the equivalent of four drinks.

By SIDHARTHA BANERJEE The Canadian Press
Tues., March 13, 2018

MONTREAL—The Quebec government will move to ban sales of sugary, high-alcohol beverages in convenience and grocery stores in an attempt to prevent younger consumers from buying them.

Public Security Minister Martin Coiteux said Tuesday he will introduce an amendment to a bill seeking to modernize the province’s alcohol and gaming legislation that would see the sweet, boozy drinks taken off the shelves.

It comes amid calls for government action following the death of 14-year-old Athena Gervais, who reportedly consumed such a product last month before vanishing.

She was found dead in a stream behind her high school in Laval on March 1.

Under the proposed measures, Coiteux said beverages that contain more than 7 per cent alcohol would be available only at Quebec liquor commission outlets and that it would be up to the Crown corporation to decide whether to stock the items.

“(You’ve) got those convenience stores next to schools … where all minors can go in because they buy other things than just alcohol,” Coiteux told reporters in Quebec City.

“The chances they will consume those products when they are widely available in convenience stores are much higher.”

Coiteux said Quebec will maintain pressure on Health Canada, which is reviewing various products on the market with Quebec authorities and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency to assess their safety.

Public Health Minister Lucie Charlebois added that a prevention and education campaign — for substance abuse in general — would be part of the Quebec government response in the near future.

Charlebois said the province ordered a report last October when health officials noticed a spate of intoxication cases among young drinkers blamed on the sweet alcoholic drinks.

She said the report, produced earlier this month by Quebec’s public health institute, suggested that of 7,055 emergency room visits for intoxication between January and late November last year, 2032 cases involved people between the ages of 12 and 24.

Of them, the report suggested 484 involved people who were not of legal drinking age.

There have been calls for stricter rules since the teen girl’s death.

Montreal La Presse reported Gervais had been drinking stolen cans of FCKD UP, a sweetened, malt-based alcoholic beverage with an alcohol content of 11.9 per cent — the equivalent of four drinks.

The company has since ceased production of the beverage.

Charlebois said those alcohol products can contain the equivalent of four glasses of alcohol and that the volume of sales exploded by 316 per cent in 2015 and 2016.

“They are particularly dangerous because they combine extremely high levels of alcohol with extremely high levels of sugar,” he said.

“Apparently those people who consume those products don’t even notice they are consuming alcohol and reach a point of intoxication that is a real, real threat for their health.”

Premier Philippe Couillard said Quebec was doing its part but it would be up to the federal government to deal with issues of distribution, labelling and legal authorization.

“We have seen the horrible tragedy of this young girl recently, we do not want to see others (so) we must play our part,” Couillard said.

Coiteux said the proposed measures would come into effect once the law is adopted, hopefully by the end of the current parliamentary session in June.
Crusade!

Or not.

They’re banning sugary, high-alcohol content beverages (12% and over) like FKED UP from grocery stores and convenience stores which as teenagers know, are pretty good targets for shoplifters. If they still make Mike’s and Vex and Zima, you’ll still be able to buy that without having to go to the SAQ.

I think this is reasonable. A sugary 12% (or higher) bevy that doesn’t taste like wine would seem to be the antithesis to a deterrent for underage drinkers, at least from what I recall about high school. And based on alcohol % by volume, that’s almost a bottle of wine in each can. It seems like a terrible idea to have it on your shelves, if protecting kids is any kind of priority.

And if you’re an adult who drinks the stuff, who cares what you think. Grow up and start drinking normal adult beverages. I think I’d feel too much like this guy if I was ever caught buying them:



It appears this will in no way affect anyone’s precious Redbull vodka’s, as neither vodka nor Redbull will be banned under this plan.
 

sempel

Banned
Feb 23, 2017
3,649
25
0
Can I also point out that she could have stolen ANY kind of alcohol beverage and the end result would have been the same.

I’ll also comment that I no longer drink sugary alcohol drinks like Vex, Smirnoff ice and all the rest. It makes me feel nauseous quickly and gives me a disgusting sloppy drunk feeling with the worst hangover in the morning that lasts at least 24 hours. The kind of drunk it gives me makes me feel like shit. I’ll stick to vodka and cranberry juice or rum and coke when I want to drink dark.

It’s sad that a young girl is gone because of this though. My sister is 15 and I couldn’t imagine this happening. My heart breaks for the family.
Very true. This girl could easily have stolen something from her own home and gotten drunk. Should her parents or households not be allowed to have alcohol?

I like these types of drinks because they taste better. Most hard liquors aren't pleasant on their own and I'm not a wine guy. Whenever I'm down in the Caribbean it's Pina Colada's, Rum Punches, Margaritas, Mojitos, or anything where the alcohol flavor is diminished. Long Island Ice Tea is deadly - wicked strong and barely a taste of alcohol when done right. I've never had a strong drink that was pre-made (like FCKD UP) and Smirnoff dropped from 7% to 5% some time ago here in Ontario. But if I was in Quebec I'd be thinking WTF - I can't get what I want because of a stupid underage person breaking the law? Sad she's dead but that's on her and her choices.
 

shack

Nitpicker Extraordinaire
Oct 2, 2001
46,963
8,119
113
Toronto
Crusade!
They’re banning sugary, high-alcohol content beverages (12% and over) like FKED UP from grocery stores and convenience stores which as teenagers know, are pretty good targets for shoplifters. If they still make Mike’s and Vex and Zima, you’ll still be able to buy that without having to go to the SAQ.
So if I understand, this is not a ban. It is a restriction. The drinks are still readily available to people of legal age.

The title of this thread is very misleading and the actions taken by the gov't are clearly appropriate.
 

managee

Banned
Jun 19, 2013
1,731
2
0
So if I understand, this is not a ban. It is a restriction. The drinks are still readily available to people of legal age.

The title of this thread is very misleading and the actions taken by the gov't are clearly appropriate.
The thread title is indeed misleading.

“Ban” without the key terms “from QC Grocery and Convenience Stores” is yet another misleading thread title, more meant to engage debate than to spread accurate information.

That said, TorStar used the term in its headline.
 

sempel

Banned
Feb 23, 2017
3,649
25
0
The thread title is indeed misleading.

“Ban” without the key terms “from QC Grocery and Convenience Stores” is yet another misleading thread title, more meant to engage debate than to spread accurate information.

That said, TorStar used the term in its headline.
I just copied the title from the article i.e. ban. They are restricting access to the drinks by limiting where consumers can buy them. Effectively "banning" them from grocery and convenience. No need to get caught up though in the nuances of the article. Main issue is the reaction to someone's poor judgement. If an underage person stole prescription drugs and OD'd, would they restrict them in the same way?
 

managee

Banned
Jun 19, 2013
1,731
2
0
I just copied the title from the article i.e. ban. They are restricting access to the drinks by limiting where consumers can buy them. Effectively "banning" them from grocery and convenience. No need to get caught up though in the nuances of the article. Main issue is the reaction to someone's poor judgement. If an underage person stole prescription drugs and OD'd, would they restrict them in the same way?
If “Quebec banning sweetened alcoholic drinks” means the same to you as “Quebec banning sweetened alcoholic drink sales in convenience and grocery stores,” well then, I guess you did nothing wrong. I see a big difference, but I didn’t title this thread.

You won’t hear me complaining about this partial-ban. Guys like you will still have the SAQ, and 14 year old girls who like the same drinks as you will have a slightly tougher time finding drinks they can/do consume to the point of hospitalization.
 

shack

Nitpicker Extraordinaire
Oct 2, 2001
46,963
8,119
113
Toronto
No need to get caught up though in the nuances of the article.
But the nuance does make a big difference.

"Banning" sweetened drinks outright (as the title more than infers) would be a radical move. Simply making them more difficult to acquire for underage kids is just common sense and rational. It is not an outrageous thing to do and though the Star printed it, not terribly newsworthy, especially outside of QC.
 

sempel

Banned
Feb 23, 2017
3,649
25
0
But the nuance does make a big difference.

"Banning" sweetened drinks outright (as the title more than infers) would be a radical move. Simply making them more difficult to acquire for underage kids is just common sense and rational. It is not an outrageous thing to do and though the Star printed it, not terribly newsworthy, especially outside of QC.
Ok, for the sake of argument, let's all agree the title is misleading. Fine - EOD. Now that we got that sorted out, I do think it's newsworthy when you start punishing a business because one adolescent made reckless (and stupid) decisions. It sets a bad precedent.
 

Halloween Mike

Active member
Dec 1, 2011
296
47
28
Personally i am not in favor of that. Today its those drink, what is it gonna be next? Beer? I know its not like that in other provinces or in the states but here in Quebec we have beer in grocery stores and convenience story and i LOVE IT. It make alcool easily buyable and up to 11 pm. I would even push it to midnight or 1 am personally (for 24h stores) if i had this power.

So this could cause a precedant. Today its Fck up drinks, tomorow it could be my 10.5/11% beer that i love to drink. Yes i do drink strong beer. I am a big guy, i don't get drunk on 5% without spending 35$ of alcool. Plus i just love the taste of strong beer. Im not drinking just blue dry 10.1% that taste like road kill skunk piss. I do on ocasion when im poor (lol) but usually i drink good micro brewerie strong beers and i don't them to be gone from my convenience store.

Im sorry for the little girl, she had her life before her. But she had a stupid idea, obviously if your 14 and weigh 90lb wet, you gonna get drunk on this very fast. Even i , a 33 years old 280lb guy, i drink 4 bottles of 11% beer and im drunk. Not "going stupid" or "passing out" drunk, but im drunk... as in i wouldn't even play call of duty online as i would get wrecked cause of bad reflexes. So obviously it was bound to happen.

And i bough a few cans before they are gone (as the compagny will stop making them) and honestly it DOES taste like alcool... Its false the fruity taste cover it all. It took me one full episode of supergirl to drink a can cause i did find it to be tasting "strong"
 

managee

Banned
Jun 19, 2013
1,731
2
0
I could be totally out of touch with the threat of slippery slopes in Quebec, but to me this seems like a VERY targeted attack on a beverage that for years now has been under attack in Quebec. To my knowledge you can’t even sell that kind of stuff in Ontario.

12% craft beers are usually a little strong for me, but I don’t see that disappearing, just as I don’t think you’ll see wine leaving the shelves of the most convenient of liquor purveyors. It’s not the alcohol content alone that’s the problem.

What kind of adult drinks a beverage called FCKED UP? It’s designed, packaged and marketed to the most dangerous crowd of drinkers, literally those who drink to get fucked up. Sure most are of legal drinking age, but the number of hospitalizations of underage drinkers drunk on these types of drinks alone has forced the government’s hand.

If 14 year old Mary doesn’t get her booze that doesn’t taste like booze, she’s not switching to an Amsterdam Fracture. And if 18 year old Mary wants booze that doesn’t taste like booze, she needs to make that decision before 10pm and go to the SAQ. This is about limiting her access to this type of booze in the type of places where minors tend to go to steal or purchase alcohol illegally.

If you’re worried about “slippery slopes” build functional terraces... keeping these drinks on the market and conveniently accessible to underagers is worse than common-sense restrictions like this one.
 

Aardvark154

New member
Jan 19, 2006
53,773
3
0
Further there has to be more to the nitty gritty of the legislation than merely sweetened because under that standard all sorts of fortified wines would be banned: Port, most Sherries, Pineau de Charentes.

It must deal with the amount of added sugar and the alcohol content.
 

managee

Banned
Jun 19, 2013
1,731
2
0
Further there has to be more to the nitty gritty of the legislation than merely sweetened because under that standard all sorts of fortified wines would be banned: Port, most Sherries, Pineau de Charentes.

It must deal with the amount of added sugar and the alcohol content.
Yea, it’s a subclass I believe we don’t even have in Ontario. Some have high sugar, others have high sugar and high caffeine. All have alcohol content that’s 3 or 4 times more than an ordinary Mikes Hard type bevy. It seems like a hangover in a can to me, but to each his own.

I don’t think legislation that even came close to affecting wine sales would get very far in QC.
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts