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Even the republicans are now out warning Trump against firing Mueller.
Trump is on the attack on twitter today, though.
 

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Read where Rep. Mark Pocan(D Wisc.) offered Andrew McCabe a job working on election security. The position would make him a federal government employee, and he would work there at least long enough to have the necessary time in to collect full pension. No word on whether the offer has been accepted.
 

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Even the republicans are now out warning Trump against firing Mueller.
Trump is on the attack on twitter today, though.
But they have shown that once trump does something, for the most part they are in lock step with him. They are spineless.
 

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McCabe has recorded all his personal interviews with Trump and it has been submitted to Mueller. McCabe has released a statement disclosing exactly why he was fired:

"This attack on my credibility is one part of a larger effort not just to slander me personally, but to taint the FBI, law enforcement, and intelligence professionals more generally," McCabe said. "It is part of this Administration's ongoing war on the FBI and the efforts of the Special Counsel investigation, which continue to this day. Their persistence in this campaign only highlights the importance of the Special Counsel's work."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/andrew-mccabe-fired/index.html

Even the former CIA chief tweeted the following about Trump:

When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/974859881827258369

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/17/politics/john-brennan-donald-trump-mccabe-firing/index.html
If Trump is trying to take apart the CIA, FBI and State department establishment, then I really actually applaud him. Hopefully he will take on NSA as well. The US intelligence agencies have NOT served the American people or US govt for a very long time. Trump is showing a lot of balls taking them on as he will likely end up dead.
 

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If Trump is trying to take apart the CIA, FBI and State department establishment, then I really actually applaud him. Hopefully he will take on NSA as well. The US intelligence agencies have NOT served the American people or US govt for a very long time. Trump is showing a lot of balls taking them on as he will likely end up dead.
You have to be careful of what you wish for. Sure, the CIA and NSA have major, major issues and yes, US foreign policy is a disgrace.
But letting someone who's acting like a petty tyrant also take down all the controls on their behaviour is like backing Erdogan's purge as 'draining the swamp' or Putin's election as 'the people's will' or backing Duterte for cleaning up the gangs.

The US under a true despot would be way, way worse.
 

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You have to be careful of what you wish for. Sure, the CIA and NSA have major, major issues and yes, US foreign policy is a disgrace.
But letting someone who's acting like a petty tyrant also take down all the controls on their behaviour is like backing Erdogan's purge as 'draining the swamp' or Putin's election as 'the people's will' or backing Duterte for cleaning up the gangs.

The US under a true despot would be way, way worse.
He is not removing the controls, the congressional sub-committes and oversight are still in place, the problem is, those have simply not been working. The mandarins in these departments need to cleaned out and their support structure ripped apart.At some point he will also be forced to walk the plank, but hopefully he can do enough damage to the status quo before he is either killed or impeached.
 

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He is not removing the controls, the congressional sub-committes and oversight are still in place, the problem is, those have simply not been working. The mandarins in these departments need to cleaned out and their support structure ripped apart.At some point he will also be forced to walk the plank, but hopefully he can do enough damage to the status quo before he is either killed or impeached.
The man worships Duterte, Erdogan, Putin and Xi. Give him the option and he'd institute the death penalty for those who comment about his small hands.
You don't give petty despots the power to destroy institutions. Democracy is really hard to build but stupidly easy to fuck up.
You want the US to turn into Turkey?
 

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The man worships Duterte, Erdogan, Putin and Xi. Give him the option and he'd institute the death penalty for those who comment about his small hands.
You don't give petty despots the power to destroy institutions. Democracy is really hard to build but stupidly easy to fuck up.
You want the US to turn into Turkey?

Your respond show you that your logic....
Your weird!
Democracy cannot be fuck up...USA democracy is built with check and balance plus no POTUS can hold more then two term and it in the constitution.
 

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Your respond show you that your logic....
Your weird!
Democracy cannot be fuck up...USA democracy is built with check and balance plus no POTUS can hold more then two term and it in the constitution.
Read about what Erdogan has done to Turkey or Putin done to Russia.
And read some history.
 

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Your respond show you that your logic....
Your weird!
Democracy cannot be fuck up...USA democracy is built with check and balance plus no POTUS can hold more then two term and it in the constitution.
Naive.
 

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The witness has no credibility, anyway. According to the OPR he has lied under oath. Being fired and loosing his pension is the least of his worries. He'll be extremely fortunate if he can avoid prison.
Lol....Everyone in Trump's circle has lied under oath except the ones who haven't been under oath. And those lie all the time as well. Lock em up!
 

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Your respond show you that your logic....
Your weird!
Democracy cannot be fuck up...USA democracy is built with check and balance plus no POTUS can hold more then two term and it in the constitution.
the checks and balances have been cancelled by Trump's lies and corruption in conspiracy with the Repuglican controlled Congress who refuse to make him accountable.......until the midterms at least.
 

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The man worships Duterte, Erdogan, Putin and Xi. Give him the option and he'd institute the death penalty for those who comment about his small hands.
You don't give petty despots the power to destroy institutions. Democracy is really hard to build but stupidly easy to fuck up.
You want the US to turn into Turkey?
I doubt that will happen. The US govt has become too massive, with departments that were supposed to "serve the president" and "be accountable to congress" developing agendas and policy on their own. Change is always difficult and chaotic. Its shameful Obama did not fill so many judicial vacancies, I guess he assumed Clinton would win, but that was lazy and short sighted. He should have fired several cabinet ministers within 2 years of inauguration. The FBI did also irresponsibly affect the last election, MORE then the Russians.
 

wigglee

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The witness has no credibility, anyway. According to the OPR he has lied under oath. Being fired and loosing his pension is the least of his worries. He'll be extremely fortunate if he can avoid prison.
ok... let's look at the track record of Mueller AND your man Trump, shall we?
• Born August 7th, 1944 in Manhattan
• Grew up outside of Philly
• Graduated High School in 1962
• Won award as school’s top athlete
• Went to Princeton
• Graduated with a degree in Politics in 1966
• Went to New York University
• Graduated with Masters in International Relations in 1967
• Partially in response to a friend getting killed in Vietnam he enlisted in the Marines in 1968
• Attended officer training at Parris Island
• Also attended Army Ranger and Army Jump School
• Was sent to South Vietnam where he served as a rifle platoon Commander
• In April of 1969 he was shot in the thigh, recovered and returned to active duty
• He earned the following medals while serving in Vietnam
o Bronze Star with Combat V; Purple Heart; Navy and Marine Corp Commendation Medals; Combat Action Ribbon; National Defense Medal, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross…and several others
• He returned to America and earned his law degree in 1973 from Virginia Law School
• Worked for 3 years as a litigator in San Francisco
• Worked 12 years in the US Attorney Office
o Rose to chief of Criminal Division
• Moved to Boston to work as Assistant US Attorney
• Prosecuted financial fraud; terrorism; public corruption; narcotics conspiracies and money laundering
• Worked in Boston at a private firm until 1989
• Joined the US Department of Justice working on national security
• Worked on the following cases…Manuel Noriega; Pan Am Flight 103 and the Gambino Crime Family
• Moved between private and public service until 1998 when he was named the US Attorney for Northern California
• Bush (W) nominated him for FBI Director in 2001 and he was confirmed 98-0
• One week after taking the office came the 9/11 attacks
• He remained in office for 12 years…the second longest term in FBI history
• This long term required Senate Approval
• He was replaced at the FBI in 2013 by James Comey
• He had been teaching, speaking and consulting since 2013 when he was asked to run this investigation into Russian collusion

As a comparison…trump’s resume looks like this during those same years
• Sent to military school because of poor behavior
• Faked bone spurs and dodged draft
• Denied African-Americans housing for his daddy’s real estate business
• Lied
• Cheated
• Grifted
• Learned to Tweet
• Lied
• Cheated
• Grifted

Your choice really, whom to believe
 

toguy5252

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Even the republicans are now out warning Trump against firing Mueller.
Trump is on the attack on twitter today, though.
The GOP flunkies in Congress have completely abdicated their function as a co-equal branch of government and become a wholly owned subsidiary of the WH.
 

jcpro

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ok... let's look at the track record of Mueller AND your man Trump, shall we?
• Born August 7th, 1944 in Manhattan
• Grew up outside of Philly
• Graduated High School in 1962
• Won award as school’s top athlete
• Went to Princeton
• Graduated with a degree in Politics in 1966
• Went to New York University
• Graduated with Masters in International Relations in 1967
• Partially in response to a friend getting killed in Vietnam he enlisted in the Marines in 1968
• Attended officer training at Parris Island
• Also attended Army Ranger and Army Jump School
• Was sent to South Vietnam where he served as a rifle platoon Commander
• In April of 1969 he was shot in the thigh, recovered and returned to active duty
• He earned the following medals while serving in Vietnam
o Bronze Star with Combat V; Purple Heart; Navy and Marine Corp Commendation Medals; Combat Action Ribbon; National Defense Medal, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross…and several others
• He returned to America and earned his law degree in 1973 from Virginia Law School
• Worked for 3 years as a litigator in San Francisco
• Worked 12 years in the US Attorney Office
o Rose to chief of Criminal Division
• Moved to Boston to work as Assistant US Attorney
• Prosecuted financial fraud; terrorism; public corruption; narcotics conspiracies and money laundering
• Worked in Boston at a private firm until 1989
• Joined the US Department of Justice working on national security
• Worked on the following cases…Manuel Noriega; Pan Am Flight 103 and the Gambino Crime Family
• Moved between private and public service until 1998 when he was named the US Attorney for Northern California
• Bush (W) nominated him for FBI Director in 2001 and he was confirmed 98-0
• One week after taking the office came the 9/11 attacks
• He remained in office for 12 years…the second longest term in FBI history
• This long term required Senate Approval
• He was replaced at the FBI in 2013 by James Comey
• He had been teaching, speaking and consulting since 2013 when he was asked to run this investigation into Russian collusion

As a comparison…trump’s resume looks like this during those same years
• Sent to military school because of poor behavior
• Faked bone spurs and dodged draft
• Denied African-Americans housing for his daddy’s real estate business
• Lied
• Cheated
• Grifted
• Learned to Tweet
• Lied
• Cheated
• Grifted

Your choice really, whom to believe
Nice effort. Too bad we're talking about McCabe.
 

wigglee

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Nice effort. Too bad we're talking about McCabe.
sorry... I guess I was thinking one move ahead. Of course Mueller is the big target which Trump needs to destroy in order to prevent the truths he wants to remain hidden from coming out. McCabe is merely another step in that direction for the Grifter-in-Chief.
 

jcpro

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sorry... I guess I was thinking one move ahead. Of course Mueller is the big target which Trump needs to destroy in order to prevent the truths he wants to remain hidden from coming out. McCabe is merely another step in that direction for the Grifter-in-Chief.
The truth is that McCabe was fired for leaking, lying and playing politics. He will have to answer for it. Comey will also face prosecution for lying under oath and shielding a subject of an investigation for political reasons. There will be others, too.
 
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