To all SPs or MAs, what's your reason for "no black guys" on your ad?

Alma@ALO · Mar 14, 2018

I've had many women tell me they refuse to work in Montreal because of the behaviour of the clientele, is that fundamentally wrong? What about the women who won't see men under a certain age? To say with certainty that commonalities don't exist across different groups of people is just as stupid as blind racism. If these women aren't basing their prejudice on their experiences, and only on preconceived notions, then yes that's stupid, but it's still their choice regardless. Is it any less discriminatory to refuse to have sex with someone who can't afford to pay you?

Ive also heard that travelling ladies wont go to ottawa because of the behaviour of some male clients. I think there is a thread or two on here somewhere.

The last part of your novel you asked is it discriminatory to refuse to have sex with someone who cant afford to pay u...answer is no.

Not discriminatory. By definition discriminatory means:
making or showing an unfair or prejudicial distinction between different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

Its not discriminatory its business..the prices r set up based on various factors and considerations... We re not a charity. If you cant afford SWs stay hlome and sfk ur wife or j.o and watch a porn...or may i suggest tinder. Its free.
Ps: if there is ACTUALLY a correlation between penis size and ethicity cite your sources.
Bc this is bs.

AmberRose · Mar 14, 2018

BlueStones said:
There is actually a correlation between ethnicity and penis size, just as there is for height and a myriad of other genetic traits. Also, I don't think most women who say "no blacks" started out that way, maybe they've had different experiences than you. I've had many women tell me they refuse to work in Montreal because of the behaviour of the clientele, is that fundamentally wrong? What about the women who won't see men under a certain age? To say with certainty that commonalities don't exist across different groups of people is just as stupid as blind racism. If these women aren't basing their prejudice on their experiences, and only on preconceived notions, then yes that's stupid, but it's still their choice regardless. Is it any less discriminatory to refuse to have sex with someone who can't afford to pay you?

You seem very confused, but that's okay I'll help you out a bit!

There is a difference between discrimination and racism. Yes it can be seen as discriminatory to not see clients under a certain age, or for some other random reason. It is racist to refuse clients of colour(unless the provider is a POC themself, as I mentioned). But again, no one is saying they can't or shouldn't be having those boundaries, what I'm saying is they should be thinking about unpacking and looking into why they have the prejudices and biases that they have that have lead to them refusing black clients. And it is NOT because of bad experiences, as I said. I'm not saying they haven't had bad experiences with black clients, what I'm saying is what usually happens is they have one or more negative experiences with a black client, and then due to preconditioned prejudices they already have due to our society bringing us all up with racist ideas, they get a generalized outlook on the whole race of people, instead of seeing the incidents that happened as isolated.
I can say 100% for a fact that every single sex worker in this business has had negative experiences with white men, and usually more so than men of other races. So why is there no ads saying "no white men"? Again, as I said it's because they would have no business at all if they did, since white men are the majority of clients. They have the power to refused clients of colour and know it won't have a huge impact on their business or how people see them, because in general our society is pretty racist. People scroll the ads and see "no black men" and think "oh yeah okay, guess she had a bad experience" but for sure if you started noticing a trend of white men being refused, people would get confused, question it, probably cry out about discrimination.

It's similar to men not being attracted to black women, or only liking Asian women, etc...you can have your preferences, no one has the right to tell you who you can or cannot be intimate with, but there is a lot of racist conditioning that lead to those preferences, and it's important for people to look into that and question it.

Also, there is absolutely no correlation between race and penis size, and this is a fact coming straight to you from a women who has seen well over 500+ penises of all shapes and colours.

asuran · Mar 14, 2018

Racist or not.
It gives women the choice to choose for themselves.

We should not judge their choice on who they decide to get intimate with.
It harms no one and it's in private.

Some people make good choices in life, some don't.
Life, you just got to live with the choices you made.

A white client turns out bad. Your own choice.
A black or person of another colour turns out bad but you saw them anyways because "it's the right thing to do"? You're the one to blame for not trusting your decision and allowing others to pressure you.

I'm Asian and if someone decide getting intimate with me is not their thing. Should I cry about it not being fair? It's a private intimate choice. I respect that. No harm done.

Everyone has their private space. This is not a regular business where one deals with clients in a regular manner where there is at closest a handshake distance. This is body on body, physical and intimate.

AmberRose · Mar 14, 2018

asuran said:
Racist or not.
It gives women the choice to choose for themselves.

We should not judge their choice on who they decide to get intimate with.
It harms no one and it's in private.

Some people make good choices in life, some don't.
Life, you just got to live with the choices you made.

A white client turns out bad. Your own choice.
A black or person of another colour turns out bad but you saw them anyways because "it's the right thing to do"? You're the one to blame for not trusting your decision and allowing others to pressure you.

I'm Asian and if someone decide getting intimate with me is not their thing. Should I cry about it not being fair? It's a private intimate choice. I respect that. No harm done.

Everyone has their private space. This is not a regular business where one deals with clients in a regular manner where there is at closest a handshake distance. This is body on body, physical and intimate.

No one is saying providers should see clients they don't want to because it's "the right thing to do" or otherwise.

Talking about what the reasoning might be or racist undertones in things isn't pressuring people to do anything it's just answering a question asked and examining the reason why.

*******

I'd also like to put a call out and ask from an empathatic point of view, for this types of threads to stop being started.
It's inviting conversation about why one race might be worse than another every single time it happens, and it's probably pretty shitty for any black men on here to have to sign on and see these threads.

BlueStones · Mar 14, 2018

Alma@ALO said:
Ive also heard that travelling ladies wont go to ottawa because of the behaviour of the male client. I think there is a thread or two on here somewhere.

The last part of your novel you asked is it discriminatory to refuse to have sex with someone who cant afford to pay u...answer is no.

Not discriminatory. By definition discriminatory means:
making or showing an unfair or prejudicial distinction between different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

Its not discriminatory its business..the prices r set up based on various factors and considerations... We re not a charity nor are we ur girlfriends or wives u get to fck for free.

Ps: if there is ACTUALLY a correlation between penis size and ethicity cite your sources.
Bc this is bs.

I guess you've never heard of discriminatory pricing then. Only having sex with a certain group of people, i.e., people who can afford your services (which is a very small percentage of the world), is discriminatory by definition. Also, you'll be disappointed to learn that reading my last comment doesn't constitute finishing a "novel". As per sourcing: http://www.penissizes.org/average-penis-size-ethnicity-race-and-country and http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bju.13010/full

curiousm7 · Mar 14, 2018

AmberRose said:
No one is saying providers should see clients they don't want to because it's "the right thing to do" or otherwise.

Talking about what the reasoning might be or racist undertones in things isn't pressuring people to do anything it's just answering a question asked and examining the reason why.

*******

I'd also like to put a call out and ask from an empathatic point of view, for this types of threads to stop being started.
It's inviting conversation about why one race might be worse than another every single time it happens, and it's probably pretty shitty for any black men on here to have to sign on and see these threads.

Sexy, intelligent and empathetic...why haven't we met yet?

AmberRose · Mar 14, 2018

BlueStones said:
I guess you've never heard of discriminatory pricing then. Only having sex with a certain group of people, i.e., people who can afford your services (which is a very small percentage of the world), is discriminatory by definition. Also, you'll be disappointed to learn that reading my last comment doesn't constitute finishing a "novel". As per sourcing: http://www.penissizes.org/average-penis-size-ethnicity-race-and-country and http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bju.13010/full

No it's called capitalism.

I can play the teacher role for you if you need more lessons, goodness knows I've got the outfit for it

BlueStones · Mar 14, 2018

AmberRose said:
You seem very confused, but that's okay I'll help you out a bit!

There is a difference between discrimination and racism. Yes it can be seen as discriminatory to not see clients under a certain age, or for some other random reason. It is racist to refuse clients of colour(unless the provider is a POC themself, as I mentioned). But again, no one is saying they can't or shouldn't be having those boundaries, what I'm saying is they should be thinking about unpacking and looking into why they have the prejudices and biases that they have that have lead to them refusing black clients. And it is NOT because of bad experiences, as I said. I'm not saying they haven't had bad experiences with black clients, what I'm saying is what usually happens is they have one or more negative experiences with a black client, and then due to preconditioned prejudices they already have due to our society bringing us all up with racist ideas, they get a generalized outlook on the whole race of people, instead of seeing the incidents that happened as isolated.
I can say 100% for a fact that every single sex worker in this business has had negative experiences with white men, and usually more so than men of other races. So why is there no ads saying "no white men"? Again, as I said it's because they would have no business at all if they did, since white men are the majority of clients. They have the power to refused clients of colour and know it won't have a huge impact on their business or how people see them, because in general our society is pretty racist. People scroll the ads and see "no black men" and think "oh yeah okay, guess she had a bad experience" but for sure if you started noticing a trend of white men being refused, people would get confused, question it, probably cry out about discrimination.

It's similar to men not being attracted to black women, or only liking Asian women, etc...you can have your preferences, no one has the right to tell you who you can or cannot be intimate with, but there is a lot of racist conditioning that lead to those preferences, and it's important for people to look into that and question it.

Also, there is absolutely no correlation between race and penis size, and this is a fact coming straight to you from a women who has seen well over 500+ penises of all shapes and colours.

Racism is merely a form of discrimination, and you can't speak for every woman on the planet by citing anecdotal evidence. It's bizarre how you can say on the one hand black people hold a relatively small portion of wealth in society, and yet ignore the ramifications of that. If anything "no blacks" is a screening process against lower classes, as opposed to a certain race. I've asked multiple women, including black providers, why they don't see black guys, and they always tell me that on a percentage basis, more black guys try and pimp them out. Who are we to call them racist? I would posit your experience is different because most Montreal guys (a largely white population), in my experience and many others, treat providers less well than other regions of people, so perhaps your "overwhelmingly bad experiences with white guys as compared to black guys" is easily explainable.

BlueStones · Mar 14, 2018

Alma@ALO said:
Kudos for taking the time to cite...

Well done.

Now look up the term facetious.

Also this is from the website u sourced:

. They discovered, in a very thorough research that even among the local ethnicities the averages of penis sizes varied.

If this is true for people in one country, in one province, of one race and one nationality, it is reasonable to suggest that there is a major variation of penis sizes for different ethnicities. However, since the world today is a melting pot and has been thus for the last few centuries, the averages should be flattening out.

The global penis average is 5.4

I cant argue about penis size anymore. I deal with cock all day. Feel free to come along and draw ur own conclusions if ur interested would be fun!

Yes, more variability can exist between two measurements without a difference in averages. For instance, male IQ is much more variable than female (i.e., higher standard deviation), yet the average is the same. Also your quotation literally says it's reasonable to expect variation of penis size between races..... not to mention most countries aren't melting pots.

AmberRose · Mar 14, 2018

BlueStones said:
Racism is merely a form of discrimination, and you can't speak for every woman on the planet by citing anecdotal evidence. It's bizarre how you can say on the one hand black people hold a relatively small portion of wealth in society, and yet ignore the ramifications of that. If anything "no blacks" is a screening process against lower classes, as opposed to a certain race. I've asked multiple women, including black providers, why they don't see black guys, and they always tell me that on a percentage basis, more black guys try and pimp them out. Who are we to call them racist? I would posit your experience is different because most Montreal guys (a largely white population), in my experience and many others, treat providers less well than other regions of people, so perhaps your "overwhelmingly bad experiences with white guys as compared to black guys" is easily explainable.

Well I mainly worked in Ottawa(and all over Canada, some of the US and the UK) so there goes your theory.

Not seeing black clients as a way to screen out lower class is definitely racist. There is so much to even get into why that would be, I'm not going to get into this much more, I made my points and I stick by them.

No, there is no price discrimination happening anywhere here. It's capitalism.
First off, there's sex workers available for every price range, even for clients in the lower market, so that basically makes your point moot right there. Also take into consideration the fact that this is a business, and a luxury business at that. I know we hate it when we're compared to other things, but I'm going to do it for a minute: take the restaurant industry for example..there are places for every income bracket, and just because you can't afford a five star restaurant does not mean they are discriminating, it means they're offering a particular service for a particular price. Every business of any kind does its research on many different factors before making prices and rates for items or services, none of which is price discrimination but merely logistics.

Can we also stop getting so upset when the word racism is brought up? It's really not the end of the world to be told you're doing something racist. I'm still being called out if I do racist things, I'm not exempt from it either. It's just a matter of listening, learning and questioning the things you're taught growing up from society and the media.

I'm going to bow out of the thread from here now.

Horny_gentleman · Mar 14, 2018

“No blacks” will in no way shape or form deter a law breaking pimp, but will 100% deter law abiding respectful black gentlemen. What amaZes me is how some actually think that “No blacks” actually helps filter or screen clients. I don’t think posting “no lowballing” actually works I’m sure that whether or not sps post this, there are men out there trying to “lowball”.

BlueStones · Mar 14, 2018

AmberRose said:
Well I mainly worked in Ottawa(and all over Canada, some of the US and the UK) so there goes your theory.

Not seeing black clients as a way to screen out lower class is definitely racist. There is so much to even get into why that would be, I'm not going to get into this much more, I made my points and I stick by them.

No, there is no price discrimination happening anywhere here. It's capitalism.
First off, there's sex workers available for every price range, even for clients in the lower market, so that basically makes your point moot right there. Also take into consideration the fact that this is a business, and a luxury business at that. I know we hate it when we're compared to other things, but I'm going to do it for a minute: take the restaurant industry for example..there are places for every income bracket, and just because you can't afford a five star restaurant does not mean they are discriminating, it means they're offering a particular service for a particular price. Every business of any kind does its research on many different factors before making prices and rates for items or services, none of which is price discrimination but merely logistics.

Can we also stop getting so upset when the word racism is brought up? It's really not the end of the world to be told you're doing something racist. I'm still being called out if I do racist things, I'm not exempt from it either. It's just a matter of listening, learning and questioning the things you're taught growing up from society and the media.

I'm going to bow out of the thread from here now.

It can be defined as "racist" sure, but whether or not it's warranted, or inherently wrong, is impossible to say. If I say black people are taller than asian people therefore I'd statistically prefer them on my basketball team, is that racist? Sure, but is it warranted? Ask the NBA.

PSA: My best friend is black, so I'm only trying to be rational here.

Horny_gentleman · Mar 14, 2018

BlueStones said:
It can be defined as "racist" sure, but whether or not it's warranted, or inherently wrong, is impossible to say. If I say black people are taller than asian people therefore I'd statistically prefer them on my basketball team, is that racist? Sure, but is it warranted? Ask the NBA.

PSA: My best friend is black, so I'm only trying to be logical here.

The nba does not draft people based on height but for skill. And if they were to draft based on height the nba would be full of South Suandese males.

Dbass34 · Mar 14, 2018

BlueStones said:
PSA: My best friend is black, so I'm only trying to be rational here.

OMG... do you know how many time I heard that line, to try to justify a comment... sorry man, but that doesn't say anything!

Dbass34 · Mar 14, 2018

Horny_gentleman said:
“No blacks” will in no way shape or form deter a law breaking pimp, but will 100% deter law abiding respectful black gentlemen. What amaZes me is how some actually think that “No blacks” actually helps filter or screen clients. I don’t think posting “no lowballing” actually works I’m sure that whether or not sps post this, there are men out there trying to “lowball”.

Thank you

Alma@ALO · Mar 14, 2018

BlueStones said:
I guess you've never heard of discriminatory pricing then. Only having sex with a certain group of people, i.e., people who can afford your services (which is a very small percentage of the world), is discriminatory by definition.

U once again "guess wrong"... ur arguments are full of guesses
What you are doing is moving the target. Everytime someone address your statement which u seem to like to refer to as facts u move the target and bring up some other topic that has nothing to do with the original post.

Discriminatory pricing ok

Anybody who indulges themselves should have the extra cashflow to play. If they don't then they shouldnt partake.
This isnt an industry where women flock to sell.their bodies time and companionship for minimum wage.
If a woman wanted to make jist ok money they d go flio burgers or answer phones. Obviously the only reason women get into this bisiness is for the $.

The prices women set are based on local market rates. WE KNOW what the going rates are as independents and body rub parlors.
They are all relatively in the same ball park across.the city give or take few dollars but not by much.

Whoever said toronto has higher prices is also wrong.
Once upon a time.toronto.was thee place to go where u could make 500/hr bit long gone are those days.
The prices have gotten so low i wont go there again. There is so much competition, its been lowered to the point where the guys will try and see u for as low as 60 for half hr. No thanks.
And why are agencies in toronto fishing for ottawa clients? Because they have felt the sting of toronto price drops and lack of clients who wish not to pay the high fees when they can get the same servjce for way cheaper.

Ottawa is the highest paying area between montreal and toronto.it wasnt u who.said that it was someone else but i cant remember the name.

Also, you'll be disappointed to learn that reading my last comment doesn't constitute finishing a "novel". As per sourcing: http://www.penissizes.org/average-penis-size-ethnicity-race-and-country and http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bju.13010/full

You ll be disappointed.to know i was being sarcastic and the need for sources for novel definition wasnt really necessary.

Alma@ALO · Mar 14, 2018

BlueStones said:
Yes, more variability can exist between two measurements without a difference in averages. For instance, male IQ is much more variable than female (i.e., higher standard deviation), yet the average is the same. Also your quotation literally says it's reasonable to expect variation of penis size between races..... not to mention most countries aren't melting pots.

So what youre saying is you drive a truck to compensate for lack of both?

BlueStones · Mar 14, 2018

Alma@ALO said:
So what youre saying is you drive a truck to compensate for lack of both?

Every comment you have on this board is hostile and demeaning, you'd think you'd ease up considering you're in the people pleasing business.

BlueStones · Mar 14, 2018

Dbass34 said:
OMG... do you know how many time I heard that line, to try to justify a comment... sorry man, but that doesn't say anything!

What exactly in what I said is in need of justification? If someone is racist then why would they care what you thought to begin with? You're actually shaming someone for saying they're friendly with black people, when does it end? How is it that racism or sexism became equated with pointing out any single difference whatsoever between races or genders. If I say cats are smarter than dogs is that anti-dog or just a scientific fact (assuming it were true)? You're applying a negative connotation to something that doesn't have one. And if I were to treat dogs differently than I treat cats, wherein lies the universal principle that I shouldn't do so? People discriminate against me every single day for all kinds of reasons, but there's nothing intrinsically wrong about it, that's called life, and people are free to do as they choose.

Jasmine Raine · Mar 14, 2018

Some could have racist reasons, some could not. To generalize every woman who says No Black Men as racists so long as they are not a POC, is just a closed minded opinion, IMHO.

People are bringing up the definition of discrimination, but that also includes age and sex. So by definition, I should not be saying no to seeing women or people under 30. This is paid dating for me and based primarily on sexual attraction. Those are my preferences sexually {at the moment, I am thinking about changing the women one} but to say that I am homophopic because I currently say no women, is a little over the top. However, for some woman that may be the reality. Who knows. Not for me to say and not for me to generalize.

I am sorry but while this is a business offered IN the public it open not to ALL of the public. That is just the way it is. Some for right reason, some for wrong reasons and each person and their reason needs to looked at indivuidually. Since we all can't spend that much time individual, probably just best to let escorts work how they work and move on if it doesn't work for you.

To all SPs or MAs, what's your reason for "no black guys" on your ad?

Why "no black gents"

I had too many bad experiences with black guys in the past

My friends or coworkers had bad experiences with them so I avoid them

I work for a pimp that does not allow me to see other black men

My agency does not allow me accept black guys

I am not attracted to them or it's simply a preference

I'm racist

I have a black boyfriend or black family or friends, I want to be discreet

They are very cheap

Health concerns, disease ect..

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