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Elizabeth Warren refuses DNA test to prove Native-American heritage

Aardvark154

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Yeah we get it Oldjones, you don't find her telling tall tales to be any problem at all, likewise that she allowed Harvard to avoid U.S. Government pressure, nor are you willing to admit that there is an issue when her behaviour is acceptable but God help an undergraduate who was found to have been deceptive over minority preference.
 

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I blame the fact that anyone gives a shit what her race is on the Alt Right and Intersectional feminists being obsessed with race and reducing everyone to catagories.
It predates that and has more to do with the issues that have been mentioned up thread.
 

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It predates that and has more to do with the issues that have been mentioned up thread.
No, its exactly the same as the birther movement, more racist folks trying to attack someone else on claims they know more about x's race then the x does.
 

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Sons of Italy is an example if you wish substitute the UELAC or Daughters of the American Revolution.
So you admit that I wouldn't need to commission an expert ancestral study to join. Doesn't that completely undermine your argument?
 

oldjones

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Yeah we get it Oldjones, you don't find her telling tall tales to be any problem at all, likewise that she allowed Harvard to avoid U.S. Government pressure, nor are you willing to admit that there is an issue when her behaviour is acceptable but God help an undergraduate who was found to have been deceptive over minority preference.
Tall tales? Cerainly not, but apparently you think they're akin to high crimes. I too "…allowed Harvard to avoid US pressure", and you have yet to establish she did anything more than I did. Tell us what she did that broke actual rules or by which she acquired some benefit to which she was not entitled. Otherwise your self-righteous high dudgeon is mere pecksniffery of the cheapest sort. Whenm you establish she was "… deceptive over minority preference" then you've made a point I can share. But you haven't yet, why not?

If you want us on your bandwagon, then you need to get on with condemning NBC's questioner for turning her "tall-tale" into guilt by refusal to submit to unlawful search, as well.
 

oldjones

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Aardvark154;6078371[/quote said:
It predates that and has more to do with the issues that have been mentioned up thread
That stupid evil racial stuff has been around forever. Why d'ya think we needed to try things like affirmative action, diversity hiring and equal opportunity to deal with its evil consequences? Given the large sector that still whines and resists all change such imperfect tools will be needed a long while to come. Before you try to accuse the folks with a bit of grit in their eye of blindness, get busy getting the two by four outta your own.

I'd ask you to prove Americans already have opportunities equal to European-Americans and other immigrants, but I'm still waiting for you to cite what she did wrong. Beyond tall-tales.
 

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It predates that and has more to do with the issues that have been mentioned up thread
That stupid evil racial stuff has been around forever. Why d'ya think we needed to try things like affirmative action, diversity hiring and equal opportunity to deal with its evil consequences? Given the large sector that still whines and resists all change such imperfect tools will be needed a long while to come. Before you try to accuse the folks with a bit of grit in their eye of blindness, get busy getting the two by four outta your own.

I'd ask you to prove Americans already have opportunities equal to European-Americans and other immigrants, but I'm still waiting for you to cite what she did wrong. Beyond tall-tales.[/QUOTE]

The originally intentions of qouas, diversity hirings, and so on maybe have been noble, at least at first, but the results have disastrous, creating glass cliffs, and feeding the alt right.

You can't cure unfair discrimination with a different kind of unfair discrimination, they don't cancel each other out, inside that feed each other and grow, both becoming more malignant with time, and resentments on all sides grow till you have massive cultural rifts and huge polarization like we have now.
 

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Tall tales? Cerainly not, but apparently you think they're akin to high crimes. I too "…allowed Harvard to avoid US pressure", and you have yet to establish she did anything more than I did. Tell us what she did that broke actual rules or by which she acquired some benefit to which she was not entitled. Otherwise your self-righteous high dudgeon is mere pecksniffery of the cheapest sort. Whenm you establish she was "… deceptive over minority preference" then you've made a point I can share. But you haven't yet, why not?

If you want us on your bandwagon, then you need to get on with condemning NBC's questioner for turning her "tall-tale" into guilt by refusal to submit to unlawful search, as well.
Here's Harvard's diversity/affirmative action policy:

http://diversity.harvard.edu/files/diversity/files/reaffirmation_stmt_2016_sc_ef.pdf?m=1459857365

Note the linkage to Federal government contracting policy.

Here is the Executive Order pertaining to federal government contractors (such as federally funded universities):

https://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/statutes/eo11246.htm

The executive order requires contractors to take "affirmative action" to achieve employment equity, and requires contractors to submit reports to demonstrate compliance. Obviously, hiring statistics based on race (forgive them, but US lawmakers still believe there is such a thing as a race) are to be included in such reports.

As a lawyer, how could Warren claim she didn't understand that she was improving her chance of being hired as a Harvard professor by claiming to be a member of a minority racial group which is underrepresented among university professors?
 

oldjones

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Here's Harvard's diversity/affirmative action policy:

http://diversity.harvard.edu/files/diversity/files/reaffirmation_stmt_2016_sc_ef.pdf?m=1459857365

Note the linkage to Federal government contracting policy.

Here is the Executive Order pertaining to federal government contractors (such as federally funded universities):

https://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/statutes/eo11246.htm

The executive order requires contractors to take "affirmative action" to achieve employment equity, and requires contractors to submit reports to demonstrate compliance. Obviously, hiring statistics based on race (forgive them, but US lawmakers still believe there is such a thing as a race) are to be included in such reports.

As a lawyer, how could Warren claim she didn't understand that she was improving her chance of being hired as a Harvard professor by claiming to be a member of a minority racial group which is underrepresented among university professors?
Thanks, but what Aardie — and those sharing his view — need to do is establish that Warren deliberately broke such rules, or offended such policies and thereby obtained some undeserved benefit, or caused some harm.

All he's done is supose possibilities and all you've done is link to some policies. When you cite the evidence of Harvard needing and using her to achieve the acceptable mandated level of diversity you will have begun to make a case. Orr offer proof she got some benefit from her tall tale. After four pages of this BS about making people meet someone else's racial-purity standard just because they say so, how be you Euro-American guys tell us the percentage of American DNA she has to have to be 'legitimate'.

Will people like her have to wear badges next?
 
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