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Also LT whatever McCabe has to say in the memos is at best background but now useless to the investigation.

He was found by the FBI's own ethics arm to be lacking in candor. As I said before it's the equivalent of a dishonorable discharge from the military.

An FBI agents main weapon is their honesty. It's drilled into them from the moment they join. It's why they are so feared in court. That reputation is what puts criminals away and turns witnesses.

And McCabe has been found wanting by panel of his peers.

And that means the FBI has labelled him a liar and perjurer. Which means anything he could have to say in a court or impeachment proceeding would be suspect and shredded by any competent defense in 5 minutes.

More importantly is that Mueller knows this. Knows that anything he gives him is now considered tainted. And has to be treated that way.

Because to do otherwise would mean stating the FBI ethics panel was wrong or made a politically compromised decision.

And I don't believe he will go there.

McCabe is done. I'm sure he can find work for some opposition research(dirty campaign) group at will.

Because that's all he seems to be good for now.

Use your own head and some real politik. Reputation matters. And his is in tatters.....
 
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LT56 said:
Flynn was about lying to the FBI about his contact with the Russian Ambassador during the transition to get sanctions lifted.

Papadopoulos was about Lying to the FBI about contact with the Russians regarding getting dirt on Hillary...ie her hacked emails.

Many would view these findings as being quite substantive...but not you. We get it.
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He was charged about disclosure of Turkish Lobbying. Look it up.
 
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LT56 said:
Actually I am not. You and Aardvark need to do a Google search of the term “Corroborating Evidence”...It’s not that complicated.
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God I hope you believe this - -that someone (B) attempting to testify about what someone else (who is available to testify) (A) told them about the events at a meeting at which they (B) where not present constitutes a corroborating evidence exception to the hearsay rules.

Because I'm sure down the road I'll indirectly benefit, from a very nice reception paid for out of your legal fees.
 
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The tea leaves are beginning to show that the new Judge assigned to the Flynn matter may well void the plea agreement and dismiss the charges due to prosecutorial misconduct. One shouldn't count their chickens before they hatch, but the signs are there.
 
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Butler1000 said:
He was charged about disclosure of Turkish Lobbying. Look it up.
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Just looked it up...again. You are wrong...Please admit it immediately and stop your bullshit!

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html


Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador and disclosed that he is cooperating with the special counsel's office.
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God I hope you believe this - -that someone (B) attempting to testify about what someone else (who is available to testify) (A) told them about the events at a meeting at which they (B) where not present constitutes a corroborating evidence exception to the hearsay rules.

Because I'm sure down the road I'll indirectly benefit, from a very nice reception paid for out of your legal fees.
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It’s not proof...It’s corroboration.

Why do you think Comey wrote all those memos in the first place?

Why do you think Mueller is interviewing people such as McCabe? It CORROBORATES Comey’s claims!

I desperately hope that you are representing someone that I am suing one day! I will be filthy stinking rich by the end of it!
 
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LT56 said:
It’s not proof...It’s corroboration.

Why do you think Comey wrote all those memos in the first place?

Why do you think Mueller is interviewing people such as McCabe? It CORROBORATES Comey’s claims!

I desperately hope that you are representing someone that I am suing one day! I will be filthy stinking rich by the end of it!
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Cooberation by a known liar. Declared by his own FBI peers.

Do you really think it's worth anything?
 
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It’s not proof...It’s corroboration.
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Really? It certainly isn't impeachment as you state it would be used. So what is it other than a statement to prove the truth of the matter asserted -- that what A said is true because he told me B about it.

About the only thing it could corroborate without being such would be did A have written note(s) on a certain date purporting to be of a conversation several days before that date.
 
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Really? It certainly isn't impeachment as you are state it would be used. So what is it other than a statement to prove the truth of the matter asserted -- that what A said is true because he told me B about it.

About the only thing it could corroborate without being such would be did A have written note(s) on a certain date purporting to be of a conversation several days before that date.
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It corroborates the claim that Comey had concerns about Trump and was expressing them to others and in his notes at the time he had these concerns.

It doesn’t prove or disprove the truth of Comey’s claims in and of themselves; however, it does prove that Comey was expressing these concerns prior to Trump’s firing him. It thus makes it harder for Trump to claim that Comey is just making up mean things about him because he is a disgruntled ex-employee.
 
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Ah. The charges against him for Turkey were dropped. I thought they were the slam dunk. You are indeed correct.

And the conversations were about an upcoming vote at the UN about Israel.

Which have no bearing on the campaign. I still don't see how they are an issue.
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Flynn plead guilty to lying to the FBI about 3 different things:
-Sanctions;
-Asking that a vote before the UN Security Council be delayed;
-An upcoming UN vote to condemn Israeli sellements.

From the article I posted above:
The charging document states that Flynn made a false statement to the FBI when he stated that in December 2016 he did not ask Kislyak "to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day; and Flynn did not recall the Russian ambassador subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request."

The document also says that Flynn falsely said he did not ask Kislyak to delay the vote on a pending United Nations Security Council resolution.

Flynn's other instance of lying to investigators involved what he told them about his conversations with foreign officials related to their planned UN Security Council votes on Israeli settlements.
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It is the conversation regarding sanctions that is suggestive of collusion with the Russians- ie a quid pro quo for Russia’s help in hacking Hilary’s email and keeping quiet about the Pee tapes, although all of this stuff sounds shady af.
 
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That is called a plea deal. They had lots of stuff on him but because he is co-operating, they gave him a lesser charge.
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They actually dropped the charges regarding Turkey as part of the deal.
 
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Butler1000 said:
Cooberation by a known liar. Declared by his own FBI peers.

Do you really think it's worth anything?
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That will be up to the courts to decide. Regardless, McCabe is just one of a number of corroborating witnesses.
 
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shack said:
Meaning any testimony/denials by trump are worth nothing.
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True. I sure wouldnt put him on the stand.

But I doubt it will ever come to that.

And so my point about it being evidence stands.
 
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LT56 said:
Flynn plead guilty to lying to the FBI about 3 different things:
-Sanctions;
-Asking that a vote before the UN Security Council be delayed;
-An upcoming UN vote to condemn Israeli sellements.

From the article I posted above:


It is the conversation regarding sanctions that is suggestive of collusion with the Russians- ie a quid pro quo for Russia’s help in hacking Hilary’s email and keeping quiet about the Pee tapes, although all of this stuff sounds shady af.
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I also seem to remember a hot Mike moment with Obama and the then Russian PM re " Waiting until after the election"

And Obama dropped the ball on Ukraine.

As well his comment to Mitt Romney about Russia being a threat during the 2012 debates.

"The 80's called and want their foreign policy back.

And dropped the ball on Russian aggression in various spots.

Is Obama a colluder as well? Bet they could find all kinds of back door channels if they looked. That's the nature of real politik in the world.

Russia interfered. Trump did not collude. Once that comes out then perhaps something can be done about them. Until then this false narrative is strangling things.
 
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LT56 said:
That will be up to the courts to decide. Regardless, McCabe is just one of a number of corroborating witnesses.
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Its not going to end up in a court. Ever.
 
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LT56 said:
It corroborates the claim that Comey had concerns about Trump and was expressing them to others and in his notes at the time he had these concerns.

It doesn’t prove or disprove the truth of Comey’s claims in and of themselves; however, it does prove that Comey was expressing these concerns prior to Trump’s firing him. It thus makes it harder for Trump to claim that Comey is just making up mean things about him because he is a disgruntled ex-employee.
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Yes it might be used to corroborate testimony by Comey that he didn't like the President from the get-go and trash-talked about him to his subordinates. However, that is a really insignificant point and if that is all this breathless testimony is about, McCabe is on and off the stand for direct testimony in under 15 minutes even with procedural motions. Cross examination, or as a hostile witness might be a different story.
 
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I like this part of what was revealed about the Stormy Daniels / Trump affair:

"On Thursday the liberal magazine Mother Jones published a 2009 email between two political operatives who were discussing Daniels' alleged admission to one consultant that Trump 'had her spank him with a Forbes magazine.'

At the time, she was considering running for a U.S. Senate in Louisiana and Trump's name came up as a potential donor for her campaign.
Trump was featured on the cover of a Fall 2006 issue of Forbes, pictured with two of his children, Donald Jr. and Ivanka.
Daniels took and passed a polygraph test in 2011 as she talked about her 'textbook generic' sexual relations with a married Trump more than a decade ago, In Touch claimed."

Also Trump is a conn artist:

In her 2011 interview, Trump, she said, took the opportunity to summon her to the sheets after she used his suite's bathroom.
'The sex was nothing crazy,' Daniels recalled. 'He wasn't like, chain me to the bed or anything. It was one position.'
She said Trump 'definitely seemed smitten' after their romp. 'He was like, "I wanna see you again, when can I see you again?"'
Daniels told 'In Touch' that Trump, then a reality TV star, lured her into conversations and sex with a promise that he would get her a role on his show, 'The Apprentice.'
'I didn't have any unrealistic expectations of actually being on the show... So now I wonder if the whole thing was just a f***ing lie,' she said, to get her into bed. 'And I guess it worked.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293831/Stormy-Daniels-kicks-Make-America-Horny-tour.html

No wonder Trump is so nervous about all that is going to be revealed by Stormy Daniels.
The pee dossiers are becoming more and more credible by the minute.
It is also making the Bill Clinton Sex Scandal look more like a "Locker Room Talk" in comparison.
 
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