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Ipsos poll - Trudeau would lose if the election were held today

jsanchez

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I think it's over, Trudeau had better realize the 2015 election was a vote against Harper.
 

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I think it's over, Trudeau had better realize the 2015 election was a vote against Harper.
I still think the PC's need someone more credible than the Schnook they currently have. They should opt for a female leader as she would be a good alternative for the voters who are "star-struck" over Justin
 

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Of course the honeymoon is over - it normally wouldn’t last this long. The most useless poll is one that asks “If” some hypothetical thing that is NOT happening.

FACT: an election is NOT being held today. An election will be held after almost 2 years of Pre-election policies and maybe a year of pre-election campaign advertising and then the official writ period with debates, etc. Remember how Harper was going to walk all over “Junior” in the debates? Didn’t happen. Remember how the CPC attack ads were going to destroy “Just Not Ready” Justin? They blew up in the CPC’s face. Add this to the fact that Scheer is a moron with even less real world experience than Trudeau (but he’s sucked at the public teat longer) and he has a personality less appealing than Harper. Scheer as a leader is what’s known as a “mistake”. He was a backbencher nobody knew until elected Speaker where he proved he could obediently follow party orders. He is no leader. He won the leadership because of the nature of the ranked ballot. He was a safe second choice of many, the first choice of very few.

As much as you can criticize Trudeau (and he’s done a lot to deserve it), he took a third place party and took them to a majority. You could argue that Harper helped by running such a sad joke of a Govt but facts are facts. Scheer has done nothing except “win” a useless poll done at the best time (when Trudeau has fucked up and and Scheer hasn’t been in public so people have forgotten what a loser the guy is.)
 

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The most useless poll is one that asks “If” some hypothetical thing that is NOT happening.
For the record, that would apply to all political polls. Other than election day, all polls ask the question: "if the election were held today."
 

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I still think the PC's need someone more credible than the Schnook they currently have. They should opt for a female leader as she would be a good alternative for the voters who are "star-struck" over Justin
Agreed, they got nobody right now, Rona Ambrose would have been a good moderate leader but she's gone.
More importantly the party itself is increasingly seen as an evangelical one, dropping "Progressive" from its name was not accidental.
 

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Agreed, they got nobody right now, Rona Ambrose would have been a good moderate leader but she's gone.
More importantly the party itself is increasingly seen as an evangelical one, dropping "Progressive" from its name was not accidental.
Ambrose could still come back in 2019 after Scheer loses.
 

jsanchez

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Ambrose could still come back in 2019 after Scheer loses.
She could, but Canada needs an effective opposition now and not in 2019 or 2023...Trudeau might or might not improve but he's not in the same league as Chretien or Martin.
 

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the poll indicated no such thing. Trudeau is hated in Alberta where the Cons would get 62% of the vote and win probably every seat. The Cons will win some seats by a landslide but the libs will probably still win, especially when NDP voters vote to keep pig boy out of sussex.
 

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the poll indicated no such thing. Trudeau is hated in Alberta where the Cons would get 62% of the vote and win probably every seat. The Cons will win some seats by a landslide but the libs will probably still win, especially when NDP voters vote to keep pig boy out of sussex.
You look at selective numbers. The Tories lead in Ontario, Sask, Alberta, and Manitoba. BC is a three way tie between the Liberals, NDP, and Tories. The Liberals are leading only in in Quebec and Atlantic Canada. You can't win with only Quebec and Atlantic Canada. The Liberals need Ontario, if they lose Ontario it's all over, the only seat rich region that leaves them with is Quebec, Atlantic Canada is small potatoes.

If they have to get Ontario back, if they can't they will start to panick, they start to panick and you get fucks like his Ibdia Vacation which humiliated Canada internationally. This sets off a death spiral.
 

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You look at selective numbers. The Tories lead in Ontario, Sask, Alberta, and Manitoba. BC is a three way tie between the Liberals, NDP, and Tories. The Liberals are leading only in in Quebec and Atlantic Canada. You can't win with only Quebec and Atlantic Canada. The Liberals need Ontario, if they lose Ontario it's all over, the only seat rich region that leaves them with is Quebec, Atlantic Canada is small potatoes.

If they have to get Ontario back, if they can't they will start to panick, they start to panick and you get fucks like his Ibdia Vacation which humiliated Canada internationally. This sets off a death spiral.
I think you're reading too much into how Trudeau dressed in India. The trip may not have been a success but its hardly a 'death spiral'.
 

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I think you're reading too much into how Trudeau dressed in India. The trip may not have been a success but its hardly a 'death spiral'.
It hurts some seats. Especially in the cities and certain suburbs. It's not in and of itself a death blow but continues an erosion.

Its one thing if they don't like your policy. But people are staring to not like HIM.
 

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It hurts some seats. Especially in the cities and certain suburbs. It's not in and of itself a death blow but continues an erosion.

Its one thing if they don't like your policy. But people are staring to not like HIM.
How on earth do you conclude that it hurt "some seats", especially given that an election is almost 2 years away? This trip was a PR disaster. But the notion that it will have any long lasting electoral effects is ridiculous, especially given the state of the opposition.
 

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How on earth do you conclude that it hurt "some seats", especially given that an election is almost 2 years away? This trip was a PR disaster. But the notion that it will have any long lasting electoral effects is ridiculous, especially given the state of the opposition.
Id say some seats in the north west GTA just became more vulnerable. The voters will be reminded of this in targeted advertising.

Becoming a figure of mockery is not a good place to be. Add in his attacks on small business and i would put a half a dozen seats on the block.

Every one counts.
 

Moviefan-2

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If they have to get Ontario back, if they can't they will start to panick, they start to panick and you get fucks like his Ibdia Vacation which humiliated Canada internationally. This sets off a death spiral.
They'll never say it, but they may be privately hoping Wynne goes down in flames in June and the Tories get elected. Voters may be more accepting of a Liberal government in Ottawa to balance a Conservative one in Ontario.

I suspect Trudeau will keep a low profile in the Ontario election.
 

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How on earth do you conclude that it hurt "some seats", especially given that an election is almost 2 years away? This trip was a PR disaster. But the notion that it will have any long lasting electoral effects is ridiculous, especially given the state of the opposition.
Butler is feeling some butt hurt, don't bother him.
 

Butler1000

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Butler is feeling some butt hurt, don't bother him.
Nope. I accepted the election result. But my take on the PM was right. And now the rest of the voters are waking up to it.
 

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The trip to India was not a total disaster trade wise. There was around a billion dollars in terms of a trade deal. Something better than nothing. Yes, it was a PR disaster in terms of the world stage. However, this will be water under the bridge if the Canadian economy continues to thrive unless the Trumptard tariffs causes a loss of jobs as it will probably do on both sides of the border. The majority of Canadians also realise how erratic the POTUS is and how his policies will negatively impact Canada. But if the economy pulls through, then the present Liberal Government will no doubt gain the unwavering trust of the Canadians.
 
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