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Oh nooooooooo!!!!! Where will the Right Wing Terbites go to get their news????? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!



InfoWars' main YouTube channel is two strikes away from being banned

(CNN) InfoWars, a far-right media organization run by Alex Jones and known for peddling unfounded conspiracy theories, is on thin ice with YouTube after it posted a video that portrayed the survivors of the Parkland school shooting as actors.

The Alex Jones Channel, Infowar's biggest YouTube account, received one strike for that video, a source with knowledge of the account told CNN. YouTube's community guidelines say if an account receives three strikes in three months, the account is terminated.

That video focused on David Hogg, a strong voice among survivors of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The attention has given him a powerful platform -- but it has also made him the subject of demonstrably false conspiracy theories that claim he's so skilled as a public speaker that he must be a paid actor.

On Wednesday, YouTube removed the video from InfoWars' page for violating its policies on harassment and bullying. The video was titled, "David Hogg Can't Remember His Lines In TV Interview."

It used screenshots of an interview Hogg did with with CNN affiliate KCBS, in combination with other images, in an attempt to suggest that Hogg and other students are "crisis actors."

The term refers to people who are paid to play disaster victims in emergency drills. More recently, though, the phrase has been co-opted by conspiracy theorists who claim mass shootings are events staged to achieve a political goal.

InfoWars repeatedly showed its 2.2 million YouTube subscribers the video before it was taken down.

"Last summer we updated the application of our harassment policy to include hoax videos that target the victims of these tragedies," said a YouTube spokesperson. "Any video flagged to us that violates this policy is reviewed and then removed."

But CNN has identified three YouTube videos from InfoWars that cite such hoaxes and asked if they also violated YouTube's policies. The YouTube spokesperson said the videos sent in by CNN were flagged to the policy team for review on Thursday evening.

CNN has sent repeated inquiries to YouTube on the outcome of that review, but has not received a response.

YouTube's community guidelines say if the account receives one more strike in a three-month period, it will not be able to post new content for two weeks.

If the account receives two more strikes in three months, it will be terminated.

A source with knowledge of InfoWars' account says all YouTube accounts, including InfoWars', are subject to the community guidelines.

InfoWars founder Alex Jones is known for spreading the conspiracy that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012 was fake. Of Parkland, he acknowledges that "real people were shot." But Jones repeatedly implied Hogg and others are crisis actors. He also said in a February 15 video posted on YouTube that he could "officially say that it's about a 90 percent chance" the Florida shooting was a "deep state false flag operation."

Conspiracy believers think false flags are government operations that seek to divert or steer public discussion and policy.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/23/us/infowars-youtube-videos-trnd/index.html
 

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Who knew that CNN was so desperate for viewers that they think that a web based outfit like Infowars was worthy of a campaign to silence them?

However, no one on the left or right should be cheering too loudly when private web based companies like YouTube are making value judgments about what news stories internet users should be able to view. It would be bad enough to have a Ministry of Truth, but to have an unelected and unaccountable Corporation of Truth would be even worse.
 

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Who knew that CNN was so desperate for viewers that they think that a web based outfit like Infowars was worthy of a campaign to silence them?

However, no one on the left or right should be cheering too loudly when private web based companies like YouTube are making value judgments about what news stories internet users should be able to view. It would be bad enough to have a Ministry of Truth, but to have an unelected and unaccountable Corporation of Truth would be even worse.
If they aren't happy, Infowars is free to stop piggybacking off of YouTube's infrastructure and create their own, with their own terms of service.
 

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If they aren't happy, Infowars is free to stop piggybacking off of YouTube's infrastructure and create their own, with their own terms of service.
It will probably come to that. Maybe Fox will create a "FoxTube"? They sure were able to capitalize by being the first to recognize the absence of conservative broadcasting on cable TV. YouTube, as the pioneer, was able to start up with relatively little capital, and then build. Now a competitor would have to enter the market with a significant capital investment. Probably will take an existing media player to pull together that kind of capital.

On a related point, there are a growing number of complaints that YouTube is demonetizing videos based on political ideology (both to the right and left of where YouTube thinks the world should be). They may find that broadcasting standards like those that apply to television and radio may be visited upon them soon. After all, they piggybacked off the internet technology created by the US government in the 1960's.
 

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It will probably come to that. Maybe Fox will create a "FoxTube"? They sure were able to capitalize by being the first to recognize the absence of conservative broadcasting on cable TV. YouTube, as the pioneer, was able to start up with relatively little capital, and then build. Now a competitor would have to enter the market with a significant capital investment. Probably will take an existing media player to pull together that kind of capital.

On a related point, there are a growing number of complaints that YouTube is demonetizing videos based on political ideology (both to the right and left of where YouTube thinks the world should be). They may find that broadcasting standards like those that apply to television and radio may be visited upon them soon. After all, they piggybacked off the internet technology created by the US government in the 1960's.
Again, the fact that you make statements like the above about known scam shows like Infowars which have nothing to do with genuine "news" is perplexing. While most of us could see an issue with censoring genuine news items on a mass media outlet like YT, Infowars operates at the same level as Alien abduction shows. It essentially manufactures and sells bizarre mythologies. When those myths become grossly inappropriate and offensive to anyone outside Jones' core base, it seems entirely correct to kick his show off YT.
 

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Again, the fact that you make statements like the above about known scam shows like Infowars which have nothing to do with genuine "news" is perplexing. While most of us could see an issue with censoring genuine news items on a mass media outlet like YT, Infowars operates at the same level as Alien abduction shows. It essentially manufactures and sells bizarre mythologies. When those myths become grossly inappropriate and offensive to anyone outside Jones' core base, it seems entirely correct to kick his show off YT.
It's not so perplexing. I view Infowars like the National Enquirer. A lot of wild stories involving speculation, most of which are of no importance to anyone except for entertainment value, but occasionally a story of some significance that the MSM did not pick up on that turns out to be reliable (either upon their investigation, or upon subsequent investigation by the MSM). Like the National Enquirer, most of the time they are entertaining (unlike the unwatchable overwrought bitch sessions available to viewers on CNN after 9:00 pm every night).

In short, their "out there" stories do no harm and are entertaining, and their real news stories sometimes offer information that the MSM doesn't cover. In particular, they do a great job of interviewing protesters, something the MSM is terrible at or doesn't do at all.

I could care less about what particular individuals think is "appropriate" or "offensive" based upon their own subjective standards. I don't believe in censorship based upon the lowest common denominator of sensitivity. If that were the standard on TERB, there'd be no one left in this forum!
 

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It's not so perplexing. I view Infowars like the National Enquirer. A lot of wild stories involving speculation, most of which are of no importance to anyone except for entertainment value, but occasionally a story of some significance that the MSM did not pick up on that turns out to be reliable (either upon their investigation, or upon subsequent investigation by the MSM). Like the National Enquirer, most of the time they are entertaining (unlike the unwatchable overwrought bitch sessions available to viewers on CNN after 9:00 pm every night).

In short, their "out there" stories do no harm and are entertaining, and their real news stories sometimes offer information that the MSM doesn't cover. In particular, they do a great job of interviewing protesters, something the MSM is terrible at or doesn't do at all.

I could care less about what particular individuals think is "appropriate" or "offensive" based upon their own subjective standards. I don't believe in censorship based upon the lowest common denominator of sensitivity. If that were the standard on TERB, there'd be no one left in this forum!
To quote from the article that I posted earlier (since you apparently did not read it) InfoWars was found to be in violation of YOUTUBE’s anti-harassment policy:

"Last summer we updated the application of our harassment policy to include hoax videos that target the victims of these tragedies," said a YouTube spokesperson. "Any video flagged to us that violates this policy is reviewed and then removed."

If you are someone who gets their news from InfoWars and The National Enquirer then that tells us all we need to know about you.

By the way: TERB does indeed ban members for harassment also. Try pushing your luck with the mods and see what happens.
 

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YT is using that purveyor of objectivity and rational thought - the Southern Poverty Law Center - to police content. So something like this doesn't surprise me at all. What a farce.
 

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There are thousands more of those right wing youtube channels. 1 shuts down 4 more pops up.
 

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YT is using that purveyor of objectivity and rational thought - the Southern Poverty Law Center - to police content. So something like this doesn't surprise me at all. What a farce.
So you think InfoWars’ creating a Fake News story accusing a 15-year-old survivor of a mass school shooting of being a paid child actor is not harassment?
 

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So you think InfoWars’ creating a Fake News story accusing a 15-year-old survivor of a mass school shooting of being a paid child actor is not harassment?
No I don't. Fair game. They are being used as props by gun control advocates. For the record I don't subscribe to Infowars as I am not a fan of Alex Jones.
 

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No I don't. Fair game.
So making up lies and nasty bullshit to smear kids who’ve survived a mass shooting is fine with you if you don’t like what they are saying. I guess simply engaging them in a rational discussion about the issue would be too much to expect...cuz the Right has no answer to what these kids are saying. All you’re left with are lies and desperate, pathetic attempts at character assassination.

And you’re totally fine with that. OK then.

Guess there’s not much else to say to you. Go talk with other people like yourself who live in fear of gay frogs and lizard people.
 

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To quote from the article that I posted earlier (since you apparently did not read it) InfoWars was found to be in violation of YOUTUBE’s anti-harassment policy:

"Last summer we updated the application of our harassment policy to include hoax videos that target the victims of these tragedies," said a YouTube spokesperson. "Any video flagged to us that violates this policy is reviewed and then removed."

If you are someone who gets their news from InfoWars and The National Enquirer then that tells us all we need to know about you.

By the way: TERB does indeed ban members for harassment also. Try pushing your luck with the mods and see what happens.
What a mess.

First of all, repeating your posts doesn't make them any better.

Secondly of all, yes YouTube claimed InfoWars had violated their harassment policy - inexplicably and incorrectly. Subsequently YouTube has acknowledged that they misapplied their screening tool to ban a number of right wing videos concerning the aftermath of the Parkland shooting. I'm not sure if they have withdrawn strikes yet following that acknowledgement.

Anyone who gets their news from a single source, or from multiple sources that all share the same political outlook, are: a) not interested in what is true as much they are interested in affirmation of their own political philosophy, and b) unlikely to fully understand most news issues, and c) unlikely to be convinced to change their mind about anything based on information not provided by their favorite sources. That says a lot about such people. Knowing that someone critically considers the news coverage from a variety of sources of all political leanings does say a lot about such a person, however what it says is all positive, in my opinion.

TERB does have a harassment policy. However, it doesn't apply to posts which you merely disagree with or find personally offensive (based on your own set of standards). Try demanding that your definition of what is offensive be enforced by the mods and see what happens.
 

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YT is using that purveyor of objectivity and rational thought - the Southern Poverty Law Center - to police content. So something like this doesn't surprise me at all. What a farce.
You mean enforcing their terms of service?
You know what terms of service are, right?
 

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What a mess.

First of all, repeating your posts doesn't make them any better.

Secondly of all, yes YouTube claimed InfoWars had violated their harassment policy - inexplicably and incorrectly. Subsequently YouTube has acknowledged that they misapplied their screening tool to ban a number of right wing videos concerning the aftermath of the Parkland shooting. I'm not sure if they have withdrawn strikes yet following that acknowledgement.

Anyone who gets their news from a single source, or from multiple sources that all share the same political outlook, are: a) not interested in what is true as much they are interested in affirmation of their own political philosophy, and b) unlikely to fully understand most news issues, and c) unlikely to be convinced to change their mind about anything based on information not provided by their favorite sources. That says a lot about such people. Knowing that someone critically considers the news coverage from a variety of sources of all political leanings does say a lot about such a person, however what it says is all positive, in my opinion.

TERB does have a harassment policy. However, it doesn't apply to posts which you merely disagree with or find personally offensive (based on your own set of standards). Try demanding that your definition of what is offensive be enforced by the mods and see what happens.
Really? So has Alex Jones’ hoax video accusing David Hogg of being a paid child actor been re-posted? No.

Has YOUTUBE stated that removing THIS video under its harassment policy was a mistake? No.

Has anyone besides Alex Jones reported that his 2nd strike was removed? No.

Are YOU totally fine with lying hoax videos smearing child survivors of a mass shooting? Of course you are.
 

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Really? So has Alex Jones’ hoax video accusing David Hogg of being a paid child actor been re-posted? No.

Has YOUTUBE stated that removing THIS video under its harassment policy was a mistake? No.

Has anyone besides Alex Jones reported that his 2nd strike was removed? No.

Are YOU totally fine with lying hoax videos smearing child survivors of a mass shooting? Of course you are.
You've done a fine job of responding to things I never wrote, as usual.

My own position on Hogg and some others is that they are junior political activists who are being coached for their appearances in the media, not that he/they are paid actors. That's not a smear on Hogg. It's a criticism of those who would seek to advance their political causes by exploiting teenagers.

The Infowars story was no different, in my view, than any number of stories you can watch on the MSM each night attributed to anonymous sources. Unreliable, but also unremarkable.

Have a look at this Bloomberg article, if you can bear the taste: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...oderators-mistakenly-pull-right-wing-channels
 

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You've done a fine job of responding to things I never wrote, as usual.

My own position on Hogg and some others is that they are junior political activists who are being coached for their appearances in the media, not that he/they are paid actors. That's not a smear on Hogg. It's a criticism of those who would seek to advance their political causes by exploiting teenagers.

The Infowars story was no different, in my view, than any number of stories you can watch on the MSM each night attributed to anonymous sources. Unreliable, but also unremarkable.

Have a look at this Bloomberg article, if you can bear the taste: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...oderators-mistakenly-pull-right-wing-channels
You suggested that the removal of InfoWars hoax video smearing Hogg was the product of over-zealous application of YOUTUBE’s harassment policy and that YOUTUBE acknowledged this. You were lying. This did not happen.

You seek to defend Alex Jones’ smear/hoax videos with more lies. Then you try to deny what you are doing.

The Infowars video was a blatant lie. You are supporting it.

MSM does not go around reporting this kind of crazy bullshit. Please stop trolling the board with fake news.
 

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You suggested that the removal of InfoWars hoax video smearing Hogg was the product of over-zealous application of YOUTUBE’s harassment policy and that YOUTUBE acknowledged this. You were lying. This did not happen.

You seek to defend Alex Jones’ smear/hoax videos with more lies. Then you try to deny what you are doing.

The Infowars video was a blatant lie. You are supporting it.

MSM does not go around reporting this kind of crazy bullshit. Please stop trolling the board with fake news.
You're a lot like the media outlets you support. You don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact, and you don't care. You certainly don't care about getting your own facts straight.

I want to pick up on one of your statements, just to see if any fun can be had. You say the MSM doesn't report on crazy bullshit. What did you call all of the MSM reports on whether Trump was/is suffering from mental illness, based on the medical opinions of doctors (and many other guests who are not doctors, but were happy to offer their opinions on air) who never medically examined him? Your answer should be enlightening.

p.s. I guess you're saying the Bloomberg article is fake news. Maybe they'll be banned next.
p.p.s. YouTube is a private company that's entitled to develop/edit content that completely conforms its its desired political positioning if it so desires. And the public is entitled to point that out as they do so. The problem is that YouTube, thus far, refuses to admit that it operates from a particular political philosophy, and as a result, its viewers don't understand the product they are consuming.
 
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