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I said stop': Ottawa woman accuses Hedley singer Jacob Hoggard of Rape

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'I said stop': Ottawa woman accuses Hedley singer Jacob Hoggard of rape

Lawyer for pop star says at no time did Hoggard 'act badly' or do anything without consent

Judy Trinh - CBC News

February 26, 2018

WARNING: This story contains graphic details.

She imagined a romantic tryst with a rock star in a fancy hotel; what she got instead, says an Ottawa woman, was pain, shame and recurring nightmares.

The relationship between the 24-year-old, petite blond and Jacob Hoggard, the frontman for Canadian rock band Hedley, began in the fall of 2016 with a surprise Tinder swipe in the nation's capital. She says it developed into daily Snapchat flirtations before ending two weeks later in a Toronto hotel room, where, she says, the singer raped her and sent her away crying uncontrollably.

Hoggard denies the allegation and says the pair had consensual sex in his hotel room.

The woman says she decided to share her story with CBC after drawing courage from the dozens of mainly anonymous women who have spoken out on social media about alleged negative experiences with the B.C. band.

The attention those allegations have drawn prompted Hedley's management to drop the group, which has also been blacklisted by several radio stations, including CBC. Last Monday, the band withdrew from consideration for this year's Juno Awards.

CBC is not identifying the Ottawa woman to protect her privacy and because revealing her identity could make her a target on social media.

The woman alleges what Hoggard did to her was more than sexual misconduct. She says it was sexual assault. But she did not file a police complaint, and none of her allegations has been tested in court.

"I didn't want people to know who I was and associate myself with being the girl that was raped by the singer of Hedley," she says. "I didn't want to be that person. And I also thought that because I went there [to see him] nothing would come of it because it was my own fault."

'At no time did Jacob act badly': lawyer

A statement from Hoggard's lawyer says the singer is very sorry the woman is upset, "but that does not change the fact that they made a mutual plan to get together to have sex and they did just that."

It says they spent the afternoon together and had consensual sex, and she went back to Ottawa that same day.

"At no time did Jacob act badly or do anything without [her] consent," the statement says.

"Even if I agreed to have sex before I got there doesn't mean when I'm there he can do whatever he wants to me," she said. "I feel up until the moment you're about to have sex with someone, you're allowed to say no and change your mind."

The woman was an Algonquin College student when she first communicated with Hoggard, 33, in November 2016. She was a volunteer at the WE Day concert in Ottawa, where Hoggard, described as a "WE Day super ambassador," performed. During the event, she says, Hoggard communicated with her through Snapchat, a social media app that allows users to send texts, photos and videos that disappear after they are opened. She says she was too shy to meet with him that day.

Flattered that a celebrity was interested in her, she says she continued to communicate with Hoggard through Snapchat messages and eventually made plans to hook up.

Two weeks later, she says, Hoggard purchased her a round-trip train ticket to see him while he was in Toronto on Nov. 22, 2016. The woman says she anticipated having sex with Hoggard but expected it to be consensual.

"Of course, I expected sex. I wasn't going to Toronto to watch TV with someone I barely know. I'm not naive — but he completely crossed the line."

Jacob Hoggard

The first time they met face to face was at the Thompson Hotel in Toronto.

She texted Hoggard when she arrived. She says the singer waved from the elevator as he came down to get her. As soon as she stepped into his room, she says, he pushed her against a wall and started kissing her.

She says she pushed him off and remembers him accusing her of "being all talky, talky."

After the alleged initial forced kissing, Hoggard appeared to settle down over the next hour, and they made small talk, she says. She remembers a hotel employee knocking on the door to let Hoggard know his "regular" room was ready.

"When he got to the next room, that's when he acted like a completely different person," she said.

She says the singer told her to wait five minutes before walking down the hall to the new room.

When she entered the second room, she saw a king-size bed, a large television and a balcony. There was also a large mirror stretching up over the headboard of the bed. At that point, she says, Hoggard took her cellphone because he didn't want her taking photos of them together.

There was a movie on the television. She says they had only been watching for 10 minutes when he flipped her over on her stomach and pinned her down. She alleges he slapped her, spat on her and forced her to have anal sex — something she says she had never done before. She says he didn't wear a condom and that he ignored her when she cried "stop" through tears.

"I was clear that I was not interested in it, and I was so uncomfortable, and I started crying, and he just kept telling me that I was being a good girl and petting my head."

She says Hoggard was grunting loudly and making pig noises. He called her a "dirty little pig," she says.

"I can still to this day picture his face and how scary he looked and how scared I was."

She says she remembers seeing herself reflected in the mirror over the bed. "He was choking me, and my face went so red."

She says he didn't stop assaulting her even though she was bleeding from her vagina and anus. At one point, she says, he pulled her off the bed by her legs and dragged her into the bathroom. She says Hoggard asked several times if he could urinate on her, then asked if she wanted to pee on him. She says he backed off when she kept repeating, "No, that's disgusting."

She alleges that was the only time he asked for consent.

In the five hours she was in the Thompson Hotel, she says, Hoggard raped her several times — vaginally and anally. In the middle of it, Hoggard ordered room service, she said.

Some time in the afternoon, Hoggard told her he had to go to a meeting, she says. He returned her cellphone and called her a taxi. She stepped into the car crying and was dropped off at a Tim Hortons across from Union Station.

Call to childhood friend

CBC cannot independently verify what happened in the hotel room but has corroborated parts of the young woman's version of events by speaking with four of her friends, including a woman whom she called after leaving the hotel.

As she waited for her train to Ottawa at the Tim Hortons, she called her childhood friend from Brockville, Ont., and told her Hoggard had treated her "like a dog."

She was still in shock during that conversation, she says. She couldn't explain to her friend why she didn't fight back. She didn't understand why her body just froze. She knew he had crossed a line, but she blamed herself.

"Right after it happened, I didn't even know if it was rape or sexual assault — because I felt I had to, [that] I owed it to him because he brought me there. I felt it was my fault because I went there."

She says during the train ride back to the capital she was stunned to receive a text from Hoggard, commenting on what a great day they had together.

She says when the initial shock wore off the next day, she messaged Hoggard and accused him of rape. Hours later, he called her and told her not to contact him again. Then he blocked her number, she says.

Six days after arriving home in Ottawa, she went to the College Square Medical Clinic, near Algonquin College. A doctor examined her for injuries after she told him she had been sexually assaulted and ordered a series of tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She says the doctor encouraged her to report what happened to police.

Hoggard accuser's medical record

She showed CBC a copy of her medical record of the visit, dated Nov. 28, 2016. It shows she told the doctor she was sexually assaulted.

A few weeks after the doctor's visit, she deleted all the texts from her brief relationship with Hoggard, she says.

"I just wanted to erase the memory of everything that happened."

Nightmares and flashbacks

She says her sleep is interrupted by recurring nightmares and flashbacks of his face. Hearing any Hedley song makes her nauseous.

"It makes me angry, and it makes me sick to my stomach because his voice is what I hear in my nightmares."

Her friends encouraged her to write down her feelings in a journal, and she shared with CBC what she wrote.

"I feel used. Disgusting. Degraded. I was forced to do things I never have. I never would … Because of who he is, I trusted him. I didn't think he would hurt me."

She writes about her physical pain. About being unable to sit down for two days. About her need to constantly shower and how she would never trust another man again.

"He knows I said no. I said stop."

http://www.cbc.ca/1.4537263
 

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So why doesn't she go to the police and press criminal charges? Instead wants mob justice on social media. Anonymously.
 

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So why doesn't she go to the police and press criminal charges? Instead wants mob justice on social media. Anonymously.
Hoggard, his lawyer and the CBC know who she is.

I imagine coming forward with this to the police, particularly post-Ghomeshi, might take more courage than she’s got, and I personally wouldn’t fault her for it. There’s a lot of stuff in that CBC report that I can’t imagine any woman would want following them around, even if charges she files against him actually stick in court.

Fix how victims are treated in and out of court, and I think you’ll see more guys like Hoggard going to trial.
 

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It all sounds a little far-fetched, to be honest. We're talking about a 24 year old woman, and a mediocre musician, not some omnipotent power broker.

Reeks of regret after realizing she was just his latest groupie fucktoy.

A guy literally forces a woman against her will for sex, and spits on her, but later asks for her consent to urinate on her? The deletion of all the text messages, after a doctor recommended she report what she claimed happened?
 

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So why doesn't she go to the police and press criminal charges? Instead wants mob justice on social media. Anonymously.
Where is the social media? She went to CBC, a news channel/outlet. She is anonymous to the public but not to Hoggard, his lawyer, or the people at CBC who investigated to verify what parts of the story they could.

I will agree though with your question - she called her friend immediately, so why not go to the police? Why did she wait 6 days before going to a clinic? And why FFS did she delete the texts, which on some level give her credibility? Methinks that there needs to be some type of training/education for victims of assault/harassment about what to do, what steps to take, etc. I know there isn't formal training/education but there's a general process when you get into a car accident, especially if you are not at fault.

(1) Take pictures, and plenty of them
(2) Take down the person's name, address, vehicle make, model, and license.
(3) If damage is severe, call the police and get them to write a report.
(4) Never sign anything a tow truck driver provides and ask to be taken directly to the reporting centre.

They need to have something similar for women (or men) who are assaulted. How many cases/convictions don't happen because the victim did something (or didn't do something) that messes up the case/evidence?
 

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So why doesn't she go to the police and press criminal charges? Instead wants mob justice on social media. Anonymously.
Exactly.

She should have left that hotel and gone right to the cops.

End of story.
 

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BTW, if the story is true, the guy has been watching way too much porn.

His outlook on sex is fucking skewed. I get kink. But he needs to ease into it over the course of a long term relationship. Start out vanilla and stay that way over several get togethers and have the conversation (repeatedly). You just don't launch into shit like she's accusing him right out of the gate. His actions show me that he's only into gonzo sex and has neither the time nor the inclination to take it slow. He's a selfish fuck and wanted immediate gratification of his sexual proclivities without consideration that maybe, just maybe, she was inexperienced and not into gonzo porn sex. Wrong on every level buddy.

Btw2, never heard of him, never heard of his band, but I bet the rest of the band are fucking pissed off at him for wrecking all their hard work.
 

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Exactly.

She should have left that hotel and gone right to the cops.

End of story.
If you’ve ever been sexually assaulted, you can comment on what an assault victim “should” have done after the assault. Till then...
 

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BTW, if the story is true, the guy has been watching way too much porn.

His outlook on sex is fucking skewed. I get kink. But he needs to ease into it over the course of a long term relationship. Start out vanilla and stay that way over several get togethers and have the conversation (repeatedly). You just don't launch into shit like she's accusing him right out of the gate. His actions show me that he's only into gonzo sex and has neither the time nor the inclination to take it slow. He's a selfish fuck and wanted immediate gratification of his sexual proclivities without consideration that maybe, just maybe, she was inexperienced and not into gonzo porn sex. Wrong on every level buddy.

Btw2, never heard of him, never heard of his band, but I bet the rest of the band are fucking pissed off at him for wrecking all their hard work.
You've never heard of Hedley? Are you living in a bubble? They performed at the closing ceremonies for Vancouver 2010. They're songs are played frequently on the radio and I actually like a few of them. And Jacob, who I believe was a runner-up on Canadian Idol, has a great voice. Absolute shame that their talent and legacy have been flushed down the drain by arrogance and stupidity, but that's true of many talented musicians.

FYI, Hedley was already in the news before this. Their management dropped them, the opening act for their concerts dropped out, and some services dropped their music. This was due to news of misconduct with young fans. So while Jacob might be guilty of this specific incident, the band was already in the craphole for misconduct, although I think it was Jacob and one other bandmate. No word on the other two and whether they knew and condoned.

If you’ve ever been sexually assaulted, you can comment on what an assault victim “should” have done after the assault. Till then...
She called a friend. The friend wouldn't have advised to go directly to the police and/or a clinic? That's the first thing anyone says when someone calls them saying something bad happened. Do you know how many people call 911 for nothing (Leno used to play recordings when he hosted the Tonight Show) and she doesn't? I'm not ignorant of the fact that victims are traumatized, feel ashamed/embarrassed, and may not be thinking straight right after. But at some point basic sense kicks in. And why delete those texts?

I hate to say this but I'm going to - what was she thinking before hand? This guy isn't some normal, sweet, friendly neighbourhood fellow where anything other than vanilla would be unexpected. He's the leader of a band, he probably sees many women, he's tattooed/pierced up the wazoo (I know this is stereotyping) - you go in expecting him to be anything other than vanilla. She knew there would be sex, but was expecting him to be all nice/sweet? Now for sure he could have been, and I'm sure there's plenty of people that fit his characteristics that are, and conversely many who don't but are kink lovers, but go in with a little caution, perhaps have a conversation beforehand.

Sadly, this sounds very similar to Ghomeshi. My impression from the case was that Ghomeshi was similarly into kink like choking/roughness/etc. The ladies coming forward accused him of assault but you wonder whether it was non-consensual or just shock/regret that he did certain acts which afterwards seemed over-the-top
 

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You've never heard of Hedley? Are you living in a bubble? They performed at the closing ceremonies for Vancouver 2010. They're songs are played frequently on the radio and I actually like a few of them. And Jacob, who I believe was a runner-up on Canadian Idol, has a great voice. Absolute shame that their talent and legacy have been flushed down the drain by arrogance and stupidity, but that's true of many talented musicians.

some people do not listen to FM radio
 

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Where is her responsibility? A 24yo groupie accepts a train ticket to go meet the front man at his hotel. Wtf did she think was going to happen, tea and cookies over meaningful conversation? SMH
 

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She called a friend. The friend wouldn't have advised to go directly to the police and/or a clinic? That's the first thing anyone says when someone calls them saying something bad happened. Do you know how many people call 911 for nothing (Leno used to play recordings when he hosted the Tonight Show) and she doesn't? I'm not ignorant of the fact that victims are traumatized, feel ashamed/embarrassed, and may not be thinking straight right after. But at some point basic sense kicks in. And why delete those texts?

I hate to say this but I'm going to - what was she thinking before hand? This guy isn't some normal, sweet, friendly neighbourhood fellow where anything other than vanilla would be unexpected. He's the leader of a band, he probably sees many women, he's tattooed/pierced up the wazoo (I know this is stereotyping) - you go in expecting him to be anything other than vanilla. She knew there would be sex, but was expecting him to be all nice/sweet? Now for sure he could have been, and I'm sure there's plenty of people that fit his characteristics that are, and conversely many who don't but are kink lovers, but go in with a little caution, perhaps have a conversation beforehand.

Sadly, this sounds very similar to Ghomeshi. My impression from the case was that Ghomeshi was similarly into kink like choking/roughness/etc. The ladies coming forward accused him of assault but you wonder whether it was non-consensual or just shock/regret that he did certain acts which afterwards seemed over-the-top

Vast majority of sexual assaults are not reported. One (of many) reason is the victim blaming that always accompanies such an allegation. Others (as she’s apparently stated) just want to try and block it out of their mind. People might say why didn’t she just leave? Maybe she feared he would hurt her worse if she tried to get out, also it’s a common experience that people in these situations often “freeze” being overwhelmed and scared to the point where they can’t act to escape/ defend themselves.
Sure, meeting a stranger for sex in their room (and she apparently acknowledges that is what she expected) may be risky, but doing so does not justify what has been alleged. (Eg if you agreed to meet an escort in her hotel room for sex, and she restrained and anally raped you with a dildo till you bled, would you have deserved that?)
 

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Where is her responsibility? A 24yo groupie accepts a train ticket to go meet the front man at his hotel. Wtf did she think was going to happen, tea and cookies over meaningful conversation? SMH
Did you read the article? She knew she was going to have sex. She admits that.

She did not consent to be slapped, choked or forced to have anal sex. When all that shit started happening, that is where he took all the control and therefore all the responsibility.

I dare any man to stick something up their ass raw and without welcome. The pain is unbelievable. That alone will make you freeze. Anyone who has fallen and damaged their tailbone, might have a slight incling on the pain. Might.

I had my ass ripped open from an accidental slip out of the vag and straight in, balls deep, hard pound right into my ass. I love anal and I stopped for a couple of years after that experience. The pain is real. Very very real.
 

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some people do not listen to FM radio
Canadian Idol and the Olympics were on TV. Don't know what people use these days (iTunes, Spotify, etc) but the band is popular and mainstream enough for people to have heard of them in one way or another. Perhaps they've heard a song by them but didn't know it was them.

Vast majority of sexual assaults are not reported. One (of many) reason is the victim blaming that always accompanies such an allegation. Others (as she’s apparently stated) just want to try and block it out of their mind. People might say why didn’t she just leave? Maybe she feared he would hurt her worse if she tried to get out, also it’s a common experience that people in these situations often “freeze” being overwhelmed and scared to the point where they can’t act to escape/ defend themselves.
Sure, meeting a stranger for sex in their room (and she apparently acknowledges that is what she expected) may be risky, but doing so does not justify what has been alleged. (Eg if you agreed to meet an escort in her hotel room for sex, and she restrained and anally raped you with a dildo till you bled, would you have deserved that?)
Granted (and this has been detailed by many victims) that the police would have for sure done minimal and probably said things like "You boarded a train, hung out, and went with him to his room. You didn't expect sex?". However, at the very least, there would have been some corroboration to her story. What is the point in reporting something now when you have nothing other than your word versus the alleged perp that this happened? It's just that - allegations. Chances are nobody will be charged/convicted.

I'm not saying she is lying nor did she deserve what happened to her in any way and if the truth is as described she is 100% a victim of assault. Even if someone consents, they can say "stop" or "no" at anytime and that consent is not all-encompassing of everything. My issue is not with what happened in that hotel room but her conduct before was a little naïve and her conduct afterwards basically kills any chance of her being believed and him being convicted. Sorry but I think naivety is no longer an excuse and people should realize their actions after an incident directly affect a potential outcome (conviction).
 

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You've never heard of Hedley? Are you living in a bubble? p
I suspect the overwhelming majority of Canadians don't know who Hedley is, and outside of Canada, absolutely nobody knows who they are.
 

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If you’ve ever been sexually assaulted, you can comment on what an assault victim “should” have done after the assault. Till then...
This. ^^^

I know many women including ones I've dated who've been victims of sexual assault. Some were as young as 10 at the time. None of them ever reported it because they were scared to, for a variety of reasons.

Judging from this band's track record, I tend to believe this woman. I suspect others will come forward. I also believe if this woman's name was made public, her life would become a living hell.

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/hedley_were_investigated_for_allegedly_drugging_underage_concertgoer
 

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This. ^^^

I know many women including ones I've dated who've been victims of sexual assault. Some were as young as 10 at the time. None of them ever reported it because they were scared to, for a variety of reasons.

Judging from this band's track record, I tend to believe this woman. I suspect others will come forward. I also believe if this woman's name was made public, her life would become a living hell.

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/hedley_were_investigated_for_allegedly_drugging_underage_concertgoer
Her name does not need to be made public and for now it's known to the appropriate parties which gives this more weight than the Patrick Brown accusers who were anonymous. But there is a difference between a young person, such as a 10-year old, versus a 24 year old who is supposed to be much less naïve.

Yes, it's easy for people, especially guys, to point a finger and say "If I were in the situation I would do X." I find it laughable that Trump states he would have entered the Florida school unarmed if he was there - it's BS and he knows it. So it might come across as arrogant to say how someone else should handle the situation when we'll never be fully aware of how she feels and what she was going through. But using some of the females in my life as examples, I know none of them would have been as naïve as this girl. Most people hide evidence away - they don't destroy it (she deleted texts). Most people don't wait so long to go the clinic. They either go immediately or probably not at all. And frankly in this day and age of social media, when anything bad happens to anyone, they yell it from the rooftops. I'm sure a different girl would have taken pics of the bruising and snapchatted pics to all her friends immediately (not that this it the right approach). But this girl (and many others) seem to be taking all the wrong steps, sometimes before, some afterwards, and then think they are going to get justice down the road.

She called her friend immediately. I'm interested to know exactly what the friend said and if the friend provided any useful advice on how to proceed, was it followed and followed immediately?
 

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If you’ve ever been sexually assaulted, you can comment on what an assault victim “should” have done after the assault. Till then...
Congratulations on making the dumbest post of the day.

That's why the police and the justice system are there.
 

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You've never heard of Hedley? Are you living in a bubble? They performed at the closing ceremonies for Vancouver 2010. They're songs are played frequently on the radio and I actually like a few of them. And Jacob, who I believe was a runner-up on Canadian Idol, has a great voice. Absolute shame that their talent and legacy have been flushed down the drain by arrogance and stupidity, but that's true of many talented musicians.

FYI, Hedley was already in the news before this. Their management dropped them, the opening act for their concerts dropped out, and some services dropped their music. This was due to news of misconduct with young fans. So while Jacob might be guilty of this specific incident, the band was already in the craphole for misconduct, although I think it was Jacob and one other bandmate. No word on the other two and whether they knew and condoned.



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No, never heard of hedley, and never heard of this guy.

Winning Canadian Idol gets about the same level of respect from me as winning any of those silly TV talent shows.

Meh.

Hard to imagine the next Pink Floyd, U2, Led Zeppelin or Rolling Stones being discovered on Canadian Idol.

Call me a music snob, but I'm generally not impressed with pop tarts. Male female or otherwise.
 
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