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Insidious Von

Insidious Von

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It appears that Vlad's excellent Syrian adventure isn't going like he planned. This isn't Georgia or the Donbas, the situation will get beyond his control. He has a rigged election upcoming where he's facing the daughter of his mentor in the KGB. Alexei Navalny has not be invited to the dance.

I love Vlad, he's such a barrel bomb of monkeys - can he actually leave Syria?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/death-of-russian-airman-underscores-problems-putin-faces-in-syria-1.4525851

Is this what he has to look forward to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lijLYuw-o
 
Insidious Von

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This is bizarre.

Apparently Putin took a shiner earlier this month when Russian and Iranian crossed the Euphrates River into the American zone. They got mauled. Its been very hush hush which leads me to believe that Trump was not informed for fear of a leak on American strategy. So now they've fallen back to wholesale slaughter in the suburbs of Damascus. Putin must have ripped Trump a new one over the phone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html
 
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ROFLMAO!!! Putin went to Syria in order to ensure survival of Junior Assad and the preservation of the only Russian navy base West of Bosphorus. Those aims happen to overlap. He accomplished his goals using thirty years old planes, a few arty pieces and a couple of hundred paid contractors. That's how you win on the cheap.
 
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jcpro said:
ROFLMAO!!! Putin went to Syria in order to ensure survival of Junior Assad and the preservation of the only Russian navy base West of Bosphorus. Those aims happen to overlap. He accomplished his goals using thirty years old planes, a few arty pieces and a couple of hundred paid contractors. That's how you win on the cheap.
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Considering that the opposition has no planes and no artillery at all, the "win" isn't surprising. Throw in terror bombings of grannies and toddlers every so often and lack of an organized and effective US response.

I could take a fleet of 70 year old B-29's and World War Two artillery and pound the Syrian opposition into smithereens.
 
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Insidious Von said:
This is bizarre.

Apparently Putin took a shiner earlier this month when Russian and Iranian crossed the Euphrates River into the American zone. They got mauled. Its been very hush hush which leads me to believe that Trump was not informed for fear of a leak on American strategy. So now they've fallen back to wholesale slaughter in the suburbs of Damascus. Putin must have ripped Trump a new one over the phone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html
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Putin's Russian mercs were hit in US airstrikes and artillery strikes and essentially gutted. The US intelligence must have known that their targets were Russian and not Syrian faction troops and they killed them anyway when they crossed into a US protected zone. Putin denies any official Russian ground presence in Syria and could do nothing to retaliate. There must have been some happy CIA and USAF officers that day. They were probably itching to do exactly this for years!
 
Insidious Von

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Trump must be having the mother of all temper tantrums now that his bff has been so cruelly exposed. Maybe this will give Putin second thoughts about undermining the Baltic States. And Iranian Revolutionary Guards/ Hezbollah taking balls to the chin from the Israelis.

Imagine if a Swedish destroyer depth charged a Russian sub out of the water! Bofors must be looking after their motherland.
 
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...and the Americans could send a Gerald R Ford carrier to Latakia anytime it wants.
 
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jcpro said:
Putin went to Syria in order to ensure survival of Junior Assad and the preservation of the only Russian navy base West of Bosphorus.
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Basically so. It really isn't about Assad as Assad, but rather Syria as the last Russian friendly government in the Middle East (although it seems that Erdogan is trying for a diplomatic revolution leading Turkey out of opposition to Russia and into alliance with it), and the Russian naval and air bases around Tartus.
 
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Aardvark154 said:
Basically so. It really isn't about Assad as Assad, but rather Syria as the last Russian friendly government in the Middle East (although it seems that Erdogan is trying for a diplomatic revolution leading Turkey out of opposition to Russia and into alliance with it), and the Russian naval and air bases around Tartus.
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Turkey may try, but Russians dislike Turks instinctively. Putin might use them to disrupt NATO, but any serious alliance will never last.
 
Insidious Von

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That's true.

Putin spooning with Erdogan would make Peter the Great role over in his grave. Russia fought at least 20 wars against the Ottoman Empire, the Turks supplanted the Mongol Golden Horde as rulers of the Ukraine and Southern Russia. The Siege of Vienna turned out to be a triple clusterfuck for the Turks. They were repulsed by Polish Hussars at Vienna. The collective navies of Italian City States raided the Aegean, destroying Ottoman shipping and taking back Rhodes. And Peter The Great fought a very bloody war for control of the Sea of Azov.

Russians and Turks will not be bosom buddies any time soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zCv0AHnCs
 
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oagre said:
Putin's Russian mercs were hit in US airstrikes and artillery strikes and essentially gutted. The US intelligence must have known that their targets were Russian and not Syrian faction troops and they killed them anyway when they crossed into a US protected zone. Putin denies any official Russian ground presence in Syria and could do nothing to retaliate. There must have been some happy CIA and USAF officers that day. They were probably itching to do exactly this for years!
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Yes, but right after that the Syrians shot down an Israeli jet as well.
Now Putin is upping the Russian air force there.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...l-russia-s-fleet-of-stealth-bombers-1.5846248

Meanwhile Putin is playing his cards close again and Israel is unsure if they are backing them or Iran.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-putin-s-syrian-dilemma-back-israel-or-iran-1.5828014
 
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