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jcpro said:

No, that's a practical solution. There's no way that, in the foreseeable future, there will be any meaningful action on firearm possession in the United States. There are only two choices: actively protect schools or wish for a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President to, some day, change the make up of the Supreme Court to facilitate the opposite treatment of the 2nd Amendment.

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You just finished saying that there was an actual deputy on site that was mandated to protect the school, yet didn't do his job.
Now you are saying that more armed people on site will actually fix things?
So now we will have more people who are inadequately trained, more guns, more crossfire, more dead innocent kids. Brilliant.

apoptygma said:

You just finished saying that there was an actual deputy on site that was mandated to protect the school, yet didn't do his job.
Now you are saying that more armed people on site will actually fix things?
So now we will have more people who are inadequately trained, more guns, more crossfire, more dead innocent kids. Brilliant.

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So? The cop turned out to be an incompetent coward. I sure hope that not all the cops are cowards. The alternative is to do nothing and leave schools unprotected. Will that make you happy? We can wait a couple of decades and hope that, maybe,the stars will align, eventually. Good luck with that!

jcpro said:

So? The cop turned out to be an incompetent coward. I sure hope that not all the cops are cowards. The alternative is to do nothing and leave schools unprotected. Will that make you happy? We can wait a couple of decades and hope that, maybe,the stars will align, eventually. Good luck with that!

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Yup, the only alternative is to leave schools unprotected.
I have 5 nieces and nephews that all go to some sort of school. None of them have armed teachers, and none of them have been shot up.
But keep focusing on the end point not the cause.
Focusing on the cause has only worked for most of the rest of the world... why bother giving it a try, right?

apoptygma said:

Yup, the only alternative is to leave schools unprotected.
I have 5 nieces and nephews that all go to some sort of school. None of them have armed teachers, and none of them have been shot up.
But keep focusing on the end point not the cause.
Focusing on the cause has only worked for most of the rest of the world... why bother giving it a try, right?

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LOL!! Ok. Get to it. This year, maybe, your activism might flip the Congress. In three years, your efforts might flip the presidency. All's left is to wait for a couple of constructionist judges on the Supreme Court to die. And that's the only way things will change.

jcpro said:

LOL!! Ok. Get to it. This year, maybe, your activism might flip the Congress. In three years, your efforts might flip the presidency. All's left is to wait for a couple of constructionist judges on the Supreme Court to die. And that's the only way things will change.

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Not my problem that the US 'democracy' is so fucked up that they will never change.
Let me know how arming everyone works.
These shooters typically expect to die, so that will be no deterrent.
I can only imagine first responders rushing in to the scene... dozens of guns pointing everywhere. "Officer, trust me, I'm an armed teacher, the perp went thataway... I might have hit him once or twice... go get him".

apoptygma said:

Not my problem that the US 'democracy' is so fucked up that they will never change.
Let me know how arming everyone works.
These shooters typically expect to die, so that will be no deterrent.
I can only imagine first responders rushing in to the scene... dozens of guns pointing everywhere. "Officer, trust me, I'm an armed teacher, the perp went thataway... I might have hit him once or twice... go get him".

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Fine. Do nothing.

jcpro said:

Fine. Do nothing.

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You're right.
Let's arm teachers. Teachers who have become teachers because they want to be teachers... not law enforcement, not paramilitary, not military, not mercenaries... teachers.
Convince all the teachers, who want to be teachers, that they need to now carry guns... pay for their training (initial and ongoing)... pay for their increased salary (because now they have a new supposed skillset)... pay for the increased insurance for all schools (because insurance companies LOVE armed people running around their liabilities)... don't forget the increased healthcare premiums for these people who get stressed out from just carrying a gun, or get traumatized from an incident, never to be able to work again.
I can go on, but you seem to be of the kind that needs baby steps... so try to digest that first.
You were right. "Do nothing" is wrong... your suggesting is much better.

toguy5252 said:

You can add conceit and hubris to my previous assessments of you.

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It can certainly be a challenge to be humble in certain company.

I saw this yesterday, honestly was hoping it would be debunked by now. He seems like a sociopath who’s slipping into dementia.

I’m out of the loop. Is it his writing or an aid/advisor? Regardless, wow.

Big fan of the NPR Embedded Trump Stories series. Highly recommend it if you’re looking to hear the story behind the story. https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510311/embedded

Bud Plug said:

toguy5252 said:

It is really quite amazing to me how omniscient you are. You seem to know what is in the heads and heats of high school students and the parents of survivors among others. Really quite amazing.

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I'm not sure it's all that amazing. I've seen plenty of town halls and other presentations about similar tragedies. I've even attended one in person. And I've met thousands of high school students, including some of the very brightest. Anyone who is paying any attention at all to this very ordinary life experience will get a good gauge on what teenagers are capable of, and how people react to tragedies like this one.

It's more amazing how someone could be unaware of what I've been saying.

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LOL. I'm beginning to wonder if Bud Plug is a alt-right surrogate or even Trump himself! B-P sure goes to allot of effort to tell us how smart he is, how well educated he is, how worldly he is, what a brilliant critical thinker he is and he's even a genius at reading human emotions. Wow, he could go on for pages telling us how great he is! I'll bet he had more people at his last birthday party than anyone else in the world. Thank-you B-P for making TERB's political forum great again!

Promo said:

LOL. I'm beginning to wonder if Bud Plug is a alt-right surrogate or even Trump himself! B-P sure goes to allot of effort to tell us how smart he is, how well educated he is, how worldly he is, what a brilliant critical thinker he is and he's even a genius at reading human emotions. Wow, he could go on for pages telling us how great he is! I'll bet he had more people at his last birthday party than anyone else in the world. Thank-you B-P for making TERB's political forum great again!

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Yep, there's the old "know it all" argument. Very high school. You do realize you're not making any actual point with that argument, don't you?

Bud Plug said:

Yep, there's the old "know it all" argument. Very high school. You do realize you're not making any actual point with that argument, don't you?

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Ohh, I know Terbites understand exactly the point I'm making.

Bud Plug said:

You're even wrong about this. You've been here on TERB posting all afternoon. Speechless would have been better.

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If you are so good at reading people's emotions, please tell us what emotions you have detected in Trump besides anger, jealousy , false bravado and compensating for wounded ego?

Bud Plug said:

Anyone who is paying any attention at all to this very ordinary life experience will get a good gauge on what teenagers are capable of, and how people react to tragedies like this one.

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Ordinary life experience...anyone for a Triple Lutz?

Cadet Orange looked impatient, he wanted to get back to Inflatable Putin.