Florida shooting - another white supremacist mass murder

Frankfooter · Feb 23, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Again for the umpteenth time, Palestinians are not a race

There are no biologically identifiable races of human, the term race only has validity when applied to cultural groups.
Palestinians self identify as Palestinian.
Trying to destroy a whole race through language isn't much better then backing apartheid.

Phil C. McNasty said:
No, Israel's right to protect itself from Hamas savages through apartheid supersedes everything else

Apartheid is race based, you know.

Completely false. Go through the list of mass shootings over the last few years

Couldn't find anything again, eh?
Whoops, guess that means you admit that racist right wingers like you, who back evil policies like apartheid, really are the danger to society.

oldjones · Feb 23, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Again for the umpteenth time, Palestinians are not a race

Completely false. Go through the list of mass shootings over the last few years, do you really think there are no left-wing voting Democrats amongst them??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Who, or what is a race? What definition are you using that says they are not? I'd have thought the Oxford English Dictionary's "1.2 A group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group. e.g. ‘we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then’" was easily broad enough to include Palestinians.

smallcock would be happy to help you look I'm sure. In any case, quibbling over definitions doesn't make the evil attitudes and policies any less a discredit to those advancing them. They're equally as prejudiced and unjust under one name as under another.

Phil C. McNasty · Feb 23, 2018

Frankfooter said:
There are no biologically identifiable races of human, the term race only has validity when applied to cultural groups.
Palestinians self identify as Palestinian.
Trying to destroy a whole race through language isn't much better then backing apartheid.

Apartheid is race based, you know.

Couldn't find anything again, eh?
Whoops, guess that means you admit that racist right wingers like you, who back evil policies like apartheid, really are the danger to society

No, I'm not a racist. Now if you wanna make the case that I'm Islamophobe you would definitely have a point (since most of Hamas and other terrorist organizations are muslim).

But then I hate all religions equally, so maybe the correct term is religionphobe??
Then again, a phobia means fear. I'm not scared of them, I just dont like them

basketcase · Feb 23, 2018

Bud Plug said:
Again, you need help with your logic. ....

At least you're consistent.

You try to argue that the white supremacist who killed a woman in Charlottesville didn't actually kill anyone and here you are arguing that the white supremacist who killed 17 in Florida wasn't a racist either.

Maybe you can form your own version of the ACLU to fight for the rights of criminal white supremacists.

Frankfooter · Feb 24, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
No, I'm not a racist. Now if you wanna make the case that I'm Islamophobe you would definitely have a point (since most of Hamas and other terrorist organizations are muslim).

But then I hate all religions equally, so maybe the correct term is religionphobe??
Then again, a phobia means fear. I'm not scared of them, I just dont like them

Being an Islamaphobe is being a racist, just as backing apartheid means you're a racist.
I do at least respect your honesty in the matter to state that semi-publicly, on this anonymous board.

I'd argue that all racists are racists based on fear, fear of the unknown, fear of someone taking your job or some other fear. That's probably why some end up so violent, like this Florida kid.

Phil C. McNasty · Feb 24, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Being an Islamaphobe is being a racist, just as backing apartheid means you're a racist

First of all honeybun, Islam is not a race.
Second of all, you are just mad because I've outed you as a German anti-semite.

Almost everybody on Terb hates you. That's because nobody really likes an anti-semite.

So your empty accusations of calling people racist is just you projecting your own hatred towards Jews.

Now stay tuned, cause I have a nice little sig ready for you in 10 months from now

PornAddict · Feb 24, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Being an Islamaphobe is being a racist!.

Example Catholic and Protestant is not a race!
SO when did ISLAM become a race?

Are you stupid??? Islam is not a race!!!

PS. Go back to your phoney spouting opinion of global warming aka rebrand as Climate changes! Your posting history show how much you hate Jews!

Frankfooter · Feb 24, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
First of all honeybun, Islam is not a race.
Second of all, you are just mad because I've outed you as a German anti-semite.

Almost everybody on Terb hates you. That's because nobody really likes an anti-semite.

So your empty accusations of calling people racist is just you projecting your own hatred towards Jews.

Now stay tuned, cause I have a nice little sig ready for you in 10 months from now

1) There are no biological 'races' of humans, genetically and biologically we are all the same race
2) That means that the only divisions of 'race' are cultural, which include by country, region, skin colour and yes, religion.
So yes, being an Islamaphobe is just as much a racist as being an anti-semite.

3) The views I back support equal rights and argue against apartheid policy of a government.
Not a people.

4) The views I back are supported by Independent Jewish Voices, and unless you're going to call them anti-semites as well, then there is no basis for calling me antisemitic.

5) I'm Canadian, not german.

You lose, according to our government you are a racist.

M-103

(a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear; (b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and (c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could

(i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making,

(ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
— Private Members’ Business M-103[4]

Phil C. McNasty said:
Now if you wanna make the case that I'm Islamophobe you would definitely have a point (since most of Hamas and other terrorist organizations are muslim).

Phil C. McNasty · Feb 25, 2018

Frankfooter said:
There are no biological 'races' of humans, genetically and biologically we are all the same race

Hey genius, if there are no biological 'races' in your warped opinion, then how can someone be a racist??

Frankfooter · Feb 25, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Hey genius, if there are no biological 'races' in your warped opinion, then how can someone be a racist??

Let me try to explain this one to you yet again.
1) There are no biological 'races' of humans, genetically and biologically we are all the same race
2) That means that the only divisions of 'race' are cultural, which include by country, region, skin colour and yes, religion.

As wiki says:

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. Today, the use of the term "racism" does not easily fall under a single definition.[1]

The ideology underlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different due to their social behavior and their innate capacities as well as the idea that they can be ranked as inferior or superior.[2] The Holocaust which led to the genocide of many millions of people based on an ideology of racial hierarchy is a well-known historical example of institutionalized racism, and so is the apartheid regime in South Africa, as well as slavery and segregation in the US. Racism was also an aspect of the social organization of many colonial states and empires.

While the concepts of race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in both popular usage and older social science literature. "Ethnicity" is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to "race": the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared ancestry or shared behavior). Therefore, racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention on racial discrimination, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

The concept of 'race' is not based on science, on either biology or genetics. Its based on social constructs, or groups based on identifiable parameters like skin colour, religion or location.

Take skin colour, take any group of people and move them closer to the equator. Over 100 generations their skin will darken.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100057939
Even skin colour doesn't indicate race.

Phil C. McNasty · Feb 25, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Let me try to explain this one to you yet again.
1) There are no biological 'races' of humans, genetically and biologically we are all the same race
2) That means that the only divisions of 'race' are cultural, which include by country, region, skin colour and yes, religion

Total horseshit!!! How else would 23andme.com be able to figure out your ancestry's race through DNA testing??

Might as well quit while you're ahead Frankie, you're making yourself look totally ignorant with every post

Frankfooter · Feb 25, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Total horseshit!!! How else would 23andme.com be able to figure out your ancestry's race through DNA testing??

Might as well quit while you're ahead Frankie, you're making yourself look totally ignorant with every post

Today's lady is quite hot.
What race is she?
(facetious question that you know you can't answer)

By the way, 23andme identifies population groups, not race.
Thanks for confirming my point.

Phil C. McNasty · Feb 25, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Today's lady is quite hot.
What race is she?
(facetious question that you know you can't answer)

She's native Indian.

You lose (again)

Frankfooter said:
By the way, 23andme identifies population groups, not race

Population group = race. How else would they be able to genetically differentiate??

Keep talking Frankie, I'm laughing it up with each post :biggrin1:

Frankfooter · Feb 25, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
She's native Indian.

You lose (again)

Population group = race. How else would they be able to genetically differentiate??

Keep talking Frankie, I'm laughing it up with each post :biggrin1:

Name the genetic traits that identify her as native Indian.
(and since your labelling is racist in of itself, are you meaning dot or feather?)

If you cannot give us the genetic traits, you fail.

Phil C. McNasty · Feb 25, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Name the genetic traits that identify her as native Indian.
(and since your labelling is racist in of itself, are you meaning dot or feather?)

If you cannot give us the genetic traits, you fail

When I say native Indian anyone with half a brain would know I'm talking about North-American native Indians. If I was referring to the other kind I would've said East-Indians. Also your dot/feather comment could be construed by many to be racist as well.

Her pics come labelled as Native-Indian, thats how I know she is one: https://www.tineye.com/search/f9e1d01887ebdb7b180a453dd8d643cd2962abd8/

Also 23andme most definitely can test for Native-American (which is native Indian) genetics.
Look here: https://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Miguel-composition.png

basketcase · Feb 25, 2018

Frankfooter said:
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You lose, according to our government you are a racist.

...

Wow. You now rely on the authority of our government while at the same time claiming that our government is wrong to consider Hamas a terrorist entity.

JohnLarue · Feb 25, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
Hey genius, if there are no biological 'races' in your warped opinion, then how can someone be a racist??

Frankfooter is not the sharpest tool in the shed
He is extremely opinionated, yet is not very intelligent

K Douglas · Feb 25, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Let me try to explain this one to you yet again.
1) There are no biological 'races' of humans, genetically and biologically we are all the same race
2) That means that the only divisions of 'race' are cultural, which include by country, region, skin colour and yes, religion.

As wiki says:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

The concept of 'race' is not based on science, on either biology or genetics. Its based on social constructs, or groups based on identifiable parameters like skin colour, religion or location.

Take skin colour, take any group of people and move them closer to the equator. Over 100 generations their skin will darken.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100057939
Even skin colour doesn't indicate race.

Sociologists have done serious damage to science the past 50 years and you've taken the bait hook, line and sinker. Race is not a social construct. Gender is not a social construct. They are rooted in biology no matter how much sociologists want to believe they aren't.

Frankfooter · Feb 25, 2018

Phil C. McNasty said:
When I say native Indian anyone with half a brain would know I'm talking about North-American native Indians. If I was referring to the other kind I would've said East-Indians. Also your dot/feather comment could be construed by many to be racist as well.

Her pics come labelled as Native-Indian, thats how I know she is one: https://www.tineye.com/search/f9e1d01887ebdb7b180a453dd8d643cd2962abd8/

Also 23andme most definitely can test for Native-American (which is native Indian) genetics.
Look here: https://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Miguel-composition.png

They can identify what population group you are from, but that's not the same as identifying race.
The problem is that there is more genetic variation within any one group then in between people you identify as different race.

In many ways, genetics makes a mockery of race. The characteristics of normal human variation we use to determine broad social categories of race—such as black, Asian, or white—are mostly things like skin color, morphological features, or hair texture, and those are all biologically encoded.

But when we look at the full genomes from people all over the world, those differences represent a tiny fraction of the differences between people. There is, for instance, more genetic diversity within Africa than in the rest of the world put together. If you take someone from Ethiopia and someone from the Sudan, they are more likely to be more genetically different from each other than either one of those people is to anyone else on the planet!

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/10/genetics-history-race-neanderthal-rutherford/

Frankfooter · Feb 25, 2018

K Douglas said:
Sociologists have done serious damage to science the past 50 years and you've taken the bait hook, line and sinker. Race is not a social construct. Gender is not a social construct. They are rooted in biology no matter how much sociologists want to believe they aren't.

Gotta love people who argue that science should turn back and stick with 50 year old theories.
You might be an argument against evolution, kirk.

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