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Are you happy with the change to the national anthem?

Are you happy with the change to the national anthem?

  • No, didn't need to change

    Votes: 64 88.9%
  • Yes, we must be politically correct

    Votes: 8 11.1%

  • Total voters
    72
  • Poll closed .

Conil

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For those who don't know it they changed the anthem from "in all thy sons command" with "in all of us command" as part of a push to strike gendered language from O Canada and be politically correct. The way I see it "sons' stood for everyone.

The Senate passed a bill that renders the national anthem gender neutral Wednesday despite the entrenched opposition of some Conservative senators.

The House of Commons overwhelmingly passed a private member's bill in 2016 that would alter the national anthem by replacing "in all thy sons command" with "in all of us command" as part of a push to strike gendered language from O Canada.

The bill was first introduced by Liberal MP Mauril Bélanger, who died in 2016. It now must receive royal assent by the Governor General before it officially becomes law.
Since 1980, when O Canada officially became the country's anthem, 12 bills have been introduced in the House to strip the gendered reference to "sons," which some have argued is discriminatory. All attempts have failed until now.

The song was written by Robert Stanley Weir in 1908 and has been changed before — including an update that dates back to before the First World War when the author added the line that later sparked so much debate. Weir, a poet and judge, changed "thou dost in us command" to "in all thy sons command."

Independent Ontario Sen. Frances Lankin, the sponsor of Bélanger's bill the upper house, said she was elated after the bill's passage.
"I'm very, very happy. There's been 30 years plus of activity trying to make our national anthem, this important thing about our country, inclusive of all of us," she said. "This may be small, it's about two words, but it's huge ... we can now sing it with pride knowing the law will support us in terms of the language. I'm proud to be part of the group that made this happen."
Independent Quebec Sen. Chantal Petitclerc, a former Paralympian who has been awarded 14 gold medals for wheelchair racing, said she was "jealous" of those athletes headed to Pyeongchang for the winter games, as they will finally be able to sing a gender neutral anthem — an option that wasn't open to her when she competed internationally in the 1990s and early 2000s.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/anthem-bill-passes-senate-1.4513317
 

TeeJay

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Jun 20, 2011
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The wording of the thread is quite biased lol


But this is not even first time anthem has changed in our lifetimes
They also did it back in the 80s for the French when they were whining
 

K Douglas

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Jan 5, 2005
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I don't care I'm going to continue singing in all thy sons command. That's the way it was intended to be written we shouldn't be trying to rewrite history. I guess the next line to go will be "God keep our land"?
 

superstar_88

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Jan 4, 2008
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I don't care I'm going to continue singing in all thy sons command. That's the way it was intended to be written we shouldn't be trying to rewrite history. I guess the next line to go will be "God keep our land"?
Good point. Not everyone is religious and it's not a requirement to be Canadian.
 

danmand

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Nov 28, 2003
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Oh boy, some of you get worked up over everything.
 

sweetiepieexo

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Jul 26, 2016
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lmao dan that's nothing new on this site.. I believe the national anthem didn't need to be changed because we are all used to "all thy sons command" . I thought they used son to stand for everyone??? smh only trudeau would change our 138 year old anthem. Its kind of sad actually.
 

corrie fan

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I don't care much either way but I was glad to see the change in O Canada has pissed off Senator Plett and the rest of the Conservatives.
 

Don

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Aug 23, 2001
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I don't feel strongly either way. Didn't we go back to something closer to the original 1908 wording anyway?
 

sweetiepieexo

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I don't feel strongly either way. Didn't we go back to something closer to the original 1908 wording anyway?

yes the original wording was " thou dost in us command" when it was changed by weir in 1914 to " in all thy sons command" . He changed it because the song contained no religious references and in 1926 a fourth verse was added and was considered more "religious".

I read about all the changes and history of O Canada on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Canada
There u can find who wrote it and when , why they changed the lyrics, and many many different versions of the song including the French version.
 

Ref

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Oct 29, 2002
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It is not the end of the world for me to have the lyric changed.

I think anthems should be updated periodically.

Some additional changes;

* Our home and native land - Our home and angry white man's land
* God keep our land - We keep our land (I am surprised this has not already been done)

Or we could always keep up with times...

O' Canada
Our foreign owned and appropriated land
True gender-neutral love, in all of us command
With growing debt we see thee rise
The true north strong is not free
From far and wide,
O' Canada we stand on guard for thee
We can't keep our land glorious and free
O' Canada we stand on guard for thee
O' Canada we stand on guard for thee

Seriously, though, changing "sons" to "us" is not a big deal...
 

danmand

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Truthfully the only one that appears to be worked up is you. Its the lounge, guys converse about things.
Truthfully, I couldn't care less about the national anthem. We could for my money elect the Hockey song as the national anthem.(and I do not care about Hokey).

 

rex_baner

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Apr 3, 2007
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I could care less. I don't ever sing it nor remember how the song goes, but I did see it as a necessity in changing it at all. If I recall, it was because someone was dying and they wanted to make a change in something before they go and this was the project.
 

sempel

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If there was something overtly wrong (some inaccuracy, a horrible message, etc.) and there was a decision to revamp the national anthem, I might be ok. The fact that there have been numerous attempts by people being PAID to govern for us and this is what they are wasting taxpayer dollars on? IMO the first time it was brought up should have been passed so any remaining morons who decided to implement the change would not have wasted their time and additional money. So many other issues to tackle and this was a priority? Sheesh!

And to Ms. Peticlerc, I don't know if the Paralympics are the same as the regular Olympics, but in the regular Olympics, the anthems played for the gold medal winners is instrumental. So if that's true of the Paralympics as well, it was a stupid comment. I also doubt any athlete will feel greater pride if the national anthem were sung because of one small change. Pretty sure the gold medal, being the best in the world, standing atop the podium, etc. outweigh the miniscule joy felt from hearing a slightly modified anthem.
 

ultistar

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Apr 18, 2009
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I’m offended they still have the words native and God in the anthem. In fact all words are hurtful and they should remove all words from the anthem and make it an instrumental.

And really what is an anthem but music to promote nationalism which leads to nazis obviously. So the Canadian anthem should be a moment of silence.
 

wilbur

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But this is not even first time anthem has changed in our lifetimes
They also did it back in the 80s for the French when they were whining
the French lyrics remain unaltered since its inception in 1880.

What does France have to do with this?
 

oldjones

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Aug 18, 2001
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I don't care I'm going to continue singing in all thy sons command. That's the way it was intended to be written we shouldn't be trying to rewrite history. I guess the next line to go will be "God keep our land"?
Actually, as even the biased OP clearly states, it was not originally written as 'sons', nor was God anywhere in the song until MPs shoved their personal religious preferences into the national anthem in 1980. And of course 'our' lyrics in English were never anything like the historic original. Not even close.

You're entirely welcome to sing what you want, but history is a record of the many changes along the way.

It's high time we moved personal sectarian myths like a Judeo-Christian God outta politics and the anthem both. And even more overdue is an anthem that recognizes our two founding languages and three founding peoples. Why shouldn't we sing a mix of English and French lyrics with some of those "stand on guards" in at least a few First Nations' languages?
 
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