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Frankfooter

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And Hamas has been clear that they will take a Two state peace only as a temporary step to their goal of removing Jews from the region.
You sure lie a lot.
Its one thing to constantly demonize Hamas as a standin for your feelings on Palestinians, but its quite ridiculous how much you lie.
Why don't you go and prove that this is Hamas' goal, then?

Meanwhile, Gaza under Israeli military occupation is now the world's largest open air prison and people are talking about the 'g' word.
Palestinians are facing genocide; Israel deserves its international pariah status
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...ael-deserves-its-international-pariah-status/

And you still think Hamas are worse?
 

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In your world quoting Hamas' explicit statements is lying.

And your op/ed publisher is full of shit. The only thing close to genocide is what your Hamas heroes would do if they could.
You haven't quoted anyone, this is just you.

The 'Nation-state bill' looks like it will go through soon.
That would make Israel officially apartheid.
Israeli parliament endorses 'nation-state bill' for first reading
Key Knesset committee approves final draft of 'Zionism's flagship bill' defining Israel exclusively as nation for Jews.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...ation-state-bill-reading-180315192911365.html
 

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You haven't quoted anyone, this is just you...

It's sad that you intentionally ignore Hamas' terrorism, rejection of peace, religious totalitarianism, and corruption just because you agree with that Israel should be destroyed.

Oct 2017.
“Over is the time Hamas spent discussing recognizing Israel. Now Hamas will discuss when we will wipe out Israel,” Sinwar said, according to the Hamas-linked news agency Shehab.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-chief-we-wont-discuss-recognizing-israel-only-wiping-it-out/

Pretty much exposes your bullshit for what it is.
 

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The 'Nation-state bill' looks like it will go through soon.
That would make Israel officially apartheid....
No surprise that Al Jazeera's reporting on Israel is majorly skewed as the law explicitly protects rights of all religions and at this point is a draft bill, not a law. Their are things I don't like about it but it is not what al Jazeera and their pet anti-Israel activist claim.

Of course Palestinian law defines Palestine as an Islamic state based on Islamic law but you don't have a problem with that.
 

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It's sad that you intentionally ignore Hamas' terrorism, rejection of peace, religious totalitarianism, and corruption just because you agree with that Israel should be destroyed.

Oct 2017.
“Over is the time Hamas spent discussing recognizing Israel. Now Hamas will discuss when we will wipe out Israel,” Sinwar said, according to the Hamas-linked news agency Shehab.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-chief-we-wont-discuss-recognizing-israel-only-wiping-it-out/

Pretty much exposes your bullshit for what it is.
Hard to say how reliable that report is, as its not an official statement but second hand claims of something said during a meeting.
It also seems to be against the general take on Sinwar and his other moves.
The first is the conciliatory approach of the Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, who has been looking inward at Palestinian society and views the alliance with Egypt and national unity as the key to freeing Palestinian society from its economic, social, political and national ills. He has called on all segments of society to save the reconciliation effort, and has expressed a willingness to put Hamas’ weapons of resistance under the authority of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

He has repeatedly said Hamas does not want a war with Israel. His actions have reflected a genuine effort to douse Hamas’ destructive reputation and restore its image as a national movement working for the economic, social and political benefit of the Palestinian people.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-gaza-s-sinwar-is-the-hamas-approach-to-back-1.5820866

It also looks like a deliberate misquote according to this article.
If Israel does something stupid well crush it, If Israel starts a war well crush it — these were the top headlines in most Israeli newspapers and news sites, quoting the Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, at a media briefing a month ago. Why did Israeli editors choose these headlines, noting only in the subhead or body of the item that Sinwar also said Hamas doesnt want a confrontation with Israel?

The answer is clear. The headlines matched the populist theres no partner for peace attitude, that reassures the Israelis and obviates the need for them to think. Did any journalist mention that Israel has made the same warning — attrition will be met with a pounding (as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in 2014)?

For Israel, such belligerence is part of the heroic talk that makes us stand tall, puff out our chests and remind everyone in the regional neighborhood of our power. But when the Palestinians take the same tack, its a threat that reminds us once again of the nature of our adversary, and that theres no possibility of change.

And so, instead of settling for the interpretations in the Hebrew media, I offer an annotated summary of Sinwars remarks in Arabic.

1. Hamas is not at all interested in war with Israel. The longer the war is postponed, by an hour, a year or years, it serves the Palestinian interest, and its better to put it off as long as possible. If the occupation government dares to attack militarily, the resistance forces will regain what they lost in the last war, and theyre willing to conduct the next confrontation over a long period and even to crush the Israelis. Hamas has weapons of deterrence that make Israel think 1,000 times before attacking Gaza, and if it behaves foolishly, it is liable to regret it.


2. Hamas coordinates closely with the Jerusalem Brigades, the military wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and is ready to cooperate with all factions of the armed resistance. Sinwar needs his political rivals in Fatah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine to prevent the erosion of his political legitimacy and his patriotic image in light of the security coordination with Egypt, but also to warn the Hamas leadership on the West Bank and abroad against getting close to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas behind his back.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...a-really-said-about-war-with-israel-1.5451136

Once again, it looks like what you are claiming are not accurate.
 

Frankfooter

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No surprise that Al Jazeera's reporting on Israel is majorly skewed as the law explicitly protects rights of all religions and at this point is a draft bill, not a law. Their are things I don't like about it but it is not what al Jazeera and their pet anti-Israel activist claim.

Of course Palestinian law defines Palestine as an Islamic state based on Islamic law but you don't have a problem with that.
There is no Palestine or Palestinian law, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
There is only apartheid Israel, which is about to enact a law cementing apartheid rule.

Which is really just more of the same.
Like this.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...er-burin-confiscate-land-180312133625896.html
this.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779941
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779932
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779926
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779923
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779915

Its really just putting the existing apartheid structure into law.
 

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Hard to say how reliable that report is, as its not an official statement but second hand claims of something said during a meeting.....
I find it so surprising that you choose to ignore Hamas once again. It's a Hamas news site and you still deny what was said.
 

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There is no Palestine or Palestinian law, so I have no idea what you are talking about.....
Another invention from you. I have quoted the Palestinian constitution to you several times.

Article 4
1. Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained. 2. The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be the main source of legislation. 3. Arabic shall be the official language.


https://www.palestinianbasiclaw.org/basic-law/2002-basic-law


I'm sure that you'll ignore that the Palestinians declare themselves to be a an Islamic state ruled by Sharia Law.
 

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You quoted the Times of Israel.

Your fascination with Hamas is a little sad....
Your glorification of Hamas is what's sad.

But sure, keep on pretending Hamas isn't a totalitarian religious racist terrorist organization. The moral stance you pretend to take is diametrically opposed to what Hamas stands for but that doesn't stop you from continually praising them.
 

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Great, and how is that relevant?...
Another cop-out from you that outright exposes your hypocrisy. Why is it you are adamantly opposed to Israel having Judaism as a state religion but you are perfectly okay with Palestine (and many Arab states) having Islam as their official religion?
 

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Your glorification of Hamas is what's sad.

But sure, keep on pretending Hamas isn't a ....
Israel is apartheid and its not Hamas' fault, no matter what you argue.
Israel is the military occupier and has set up Israel as they like.

As a Canadian you have a moral duty to stand against apartheid.
 

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Another cop-out from you that outright exposes your hypocrisy. Why is it you are adamantly opposed to Israel having Judaism as a state religion but you are perfectly okay with Palestine (and many Arab states) having Islam as their official religion?
Setting an official religion is fine, institutionalizing lesser human rights for those of other religions is not.
Theocracies are always stupid.
Apartheid theocracy even more so.

In the words of one of the handful of Palestinian members of the Israeli parliament, Aida Touma-Suleiman, the bill "institutionalises an apartheid regime in the most blatant way".

But equally significantly, and largely unnoticed, the Basic Law paves the way for Israel's right-wing government to consolidate and expand the annexation of Palestinian lands under occupation in East Jerusalem and the West Bank - and stymie any legal moves intended to prevent such efforts.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...ation-state-bill-reading-180315192911365.html

Of course you support a law that sets Israel as apartheid, preps it for more land theft and still claim you support the two state solution out of the other side of your mouth.
 

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Setting an official religion is fine, institutionalizing lesser human rights for those of other religions is not.....
So why do the Palestinians do it?

But sure, keep on claiming that Hamas are good guys and not the major obstacle to peace.
 

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They don't. ...
More of your denials. The PA has actual laws denying rights to Jews, not the made up accusations you have. Their leaders, especially in Hamas routinely make racist comments about Jews.

But of course you're not interested in human rights or holding "both sides" up to scrutiny, only in Israel's destruction.
 

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More of your denials. The PA has actual laws denying rights to Jews, not the made up accusations you have.
Would you like to compare to see which side has the most racist laws?
5 seconds of googling got me to a list of 66 racist Israeli laws.

Starting with #1:
"Anti-Terror" (Counter-Terrorism) Law
Theme:Criminal Law and ProceduresCivil and Political RightsFreedom of Association
Status:Active
Year:2016
Description:
The “Counter-Terrorism” bill sprawls over 104 pages. It contains broad and vague definitions of terrorism and terrorist organizations, which may be exploited by the law enforcement authorities to criminalize legitimate political action by Palestinian citizens of Israel and Palestinian residents of the OPT. The law entrenches many emergency regulations, which are currently in effect, and which date back to the British Mandatory period. The government has recently used the emergency regulations to arbitrarily outlaw the Islamic Movement in Israel.

The law includes draconian measures for investigating detainees accused of security offenses; provides for the extensive use of secret evidence in court; limits detainees’ access to judicial review; lowers the evidentiary requirements of the state in such cases; creates new criminal offenses, including for any public expression of support for or sympathy with a terrorist group; and sharply increases the maximum sentences for people convicted of security offenses. It is liable to result in serious human rights violations and to further undermine democratic principles in Israel.

The law substantially strengthens and expands the powers of the police and the General Security Services (GSS, or Shabak/Shin Bet) to suppress legitimate protest activities by Palestinian citizens of Israel and Palestinian residents of the OPT. It adds to a pre-existing system that provides fertile ground for the security agencies to employ illegal methods in the interrogation room, which includes a “temporary order” that exempts the security agencies from producing audio or visual documentation of interrogations of security detainees. The Knesset extended this order, which creates conditions that may facilitate the torture of security suspects during interrogation, in July 2015, for the third time.
https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/598

There are 65 more to go through after you tell me how much you love this one.
 

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Would you like to compare to see which side has the most racist laws?....
You'll ignore the results as usual so what's the point?

But it's sad that you want to consider an Israeli law punishing terrorists racist even though it has been applied to Israeli Arabs, Israeli Jews and West Bank Palestinians but don't want to admit to the purely racist PA law makes it illegal for Jews to own land and makes it a serious crime to sell land to Jews or discuss the virulent Jew hatred of Hamas.

Of course the real reason you don't like that Israeli law is that it actually punishes Palestinians who commit terror attacks on Jews.
 
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