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42 percent of Republicans believe accurate but negative stories qualify as fake news

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Study: 42 percent of Republicans believe accurate — but negative — stories qualify as ‘fake news’

By Erik Wemple

January 16

All those media-trust studies have a tendency toward the rote. Yes, we already knew that the public had little trust in the country’s journalistic organs. Yes, we knew that finding credible sources could be a harrowing pursuit for the public. Yes, we knew that an increasing portion of the U.S. public felt that the news was biased.

Yet this nugget from a new Gallup-Knight Foundation survey just about knocked the Erik Wemple Blog out of a decade-long media-research torpor:

Four in 10 [or 42 percent of] Republicans consider accurate news stories that cast a politician or political group in a negative light to always be “fake news.” [The corresponding figure for Democrats is 17 percent.]

Perhaps President Trump’s associates should place that data point in his daily briefing packet so that he can brag about it. There’s precedent for that, after all: Back in September 2016, a Gallup poll found cratering public trust in the media. Asked about that situation, Trump despaired not. “I think I had a lot to do with that poll … because I’ve exposed the media. If you look at the New York Times, and The Washington Post, and if you look at others: the level of dishonesty is enormous. It’s so dishonest. I can do something that’s wonderful and they make it sound terrible,” Trump said in an interview.

Along with tax cuts, Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court and a sizzling stock market, Trump can claim credit for hijacking the term “fake news” for his own political ends. Craig Silverman, the BuzzFeed journalist who played a pioneering role in hatching the term, says its redefinition was sealed on Jan. 11, 2017, during that unforgettable transition news conference in which Trump called out CNN as “fake news” — for accurately reporting on a Trump-Russia dossier that was circulating in the upper reaches of the U.S. government.

Since then, “fake news” has performed a jack-of-all-trades role for Trump champions. A negative story with flimsy-appearing sources? “Fake news.” A story that is challenged by Trump appointees? “Fake news.” A story that ends up being corrected? “Fake news” all day long! A true but unflattering story? Heck, that’s “fake news,” too.

Forget that the term sprang up to describe, essentially, fabrications — or, as Silverman defines it, “completely false information that was created and spread for profit.” The appropriation of the term by Trump appears to be working, which is no surprise in light of his nearly 47 million Twitter followers and his status as the most powerful man in the world. The protestations of folks such as Silverman about the purity of the original definition — well, those will get a few retweets among the Poynter crowd.

On Wednesday, Trump plans to stage his much-hyped “Fake News Awards.” Who knows what sort of travesty is in the works, though a likely result is that more of Trump’s followers will migrate toward the understanding that “fake news” is essentially anything that portrays the president in a negative light. And the cause of body-slamming persistent reporters, the cause of sliming them, the cause of arresting them for doing their jobs — it’ll surely advance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2018/01/16/study-42-percent-of-republicans-believe-accurate-but-negative-stories-qualify-as-fake-news/?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.4103acec3760
 

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As oppose to fake but believable that was a lead on front pages all last week?
 

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As oppose to fake but believable that was a lead on front pages all last week?
Huh? Are we supposed to think it's significant that some Republicans think fake is fake?

And what exactly did you intend them to 'oppose', if not fake?

Perhaps it would clarify your point if you mentioned the specific lead story you had in mind. There were quite a few, and it seems almost 60% of Republicans had trouble detecting or believing in them, not to mention that we Canucks aren't included in the stats.
 

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Huh? Are we supposed to think it's significant that some Republicans think fake is fake?

And what exactly did you intend them to 'oppose', if not fake?

Perhaps it would clarify your point if you mentioned the specific lead story you had in mind. There were quite a few, and it seems almost 60% of Republicans had trouble detecting or believing in them, not to mention that we Canucks aren't included in the stats.
What happened? Already forgot The Fire and Fury? If you going to write a hit piece, use a credible author like Bob Woodward, Michael Lewis or maybe even David McCullough and not Kitty Kelly. I don't blame news consumers for being sceptical. Serious reporters from serious news outlets embarrassed themselves covering this President. Some even got fired.
 

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Four in 10 [or 42 percent of] Republicans consider accurate news stories that cast a politician or political group in a negative light to always be “fake news.” [The corresponding figure for Democrats is 17 percent.]
BUT, what would that number be for Democrats if the true but negative light story came from say Fox News or Heaven forbid from Breitbart?

Further could the difference in numbers just happen to be because a newspaper like the Washington Post is constantly supportive of Democratic Party positions?
 

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Ask democrats if they consider Fox News fake news..... you’ll get the same reaction.
 

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Ask democrats if they consider Fox News fake news..... you’ll get the same reaction.
That's because you can show their news is incorrect.
If you can do the same with other sources you can argue that they are fake news as well.
 

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Ask democrats if they consider Fox News fake news..... you’ll get the same reaction.
Demonstrating the same thought[sic] process as referenced in the thread title. Except that was a report of a real survey, not an statement of personal prejudice.

But I bet Fox can supply you with the figures OTB. Whether they'd be willing to release numbers that show they've only managed the grossly skewed level of trust you say is another matter.
 

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Thanks for making the point -- in your world it is impossible for what they state to be true since you disagree with it.
Not at all, I read sources from both sides and independently fact check.
If a story or claim I've made is shown to be false I'll admit it.

Go ahead and show me a story/claim that I've made that you can prove is false.
 

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Thanks for making the point -- in your world it is impossible for what they state to be true since you disagree with it.
Funny how easy it is, they are like dogs chasing a car....
 

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Interesting how little the commentary seems to concerned with the fact reported the cited survey: That almost half of Republicans think any negative news must be made up and don't care if the reporting is true.

To know that any significant percentage of the politically involved population prefers their fantasy to objective reality seems very scary to me.
 

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Interesting how little the commentary seems to concerned with the fact reported the cited survey: That almost half of Republicans think any negative news must be made up and don't care if the reporting is true.

To know that any significant percentage of the politically involved population prefers their fantasy to objective reality seems very scary to me.
Isn't that because the story is meaningless unless those surveyed agreed that the stories were factual, but nevertheless categorized them as fake news? Unfortunately, there's not a lot of agreement these days on what is factual.

What I find scary is how many people are absolutely sure that news is true because the media told them so (and then double told them so by "fact checking"!).
 

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And 99% of all Liberals believe everything the media says about Trump
That's 'cuz it seems like its down to two choices:
Fox/Breitbart
The rest of the media

But why don't you give us three examples of things you think we believe that aren't true about your stable genius.
 

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That's 'cuz it seems like its down to two choices:
Fox/Breitbart
The rest of the media

But why don't you give us three examples of things you think we believe that aren't true about your stable genius
You really dont read my posts very well, do you?? I never said I disbelieved (or believed) any of the Trump accusations.
I have consistently said wait till we see all the evidence before forming an opinion.

Right now I've seen ZERO evidence in RussiaGate, the pornstar story and a few others
 

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You really dont read my posts very well, do you?? I never said I disbelieved (or believed) any of the Trump accusations.
I have consistently said wait till we see all the evidence before forming an opinion.

Right now I've seen ZERO evidence in RussiaGate, the pornstar story and a few others
The question is what your standard of evidence is for Trump accusations compared to what you'll accept as evidence for accusations on say, the FBI.
That's where your double standard shows.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The question is what your standard of evidence is for Trump accusations compared to what you'll accept as evidence for accusations on say, the FBI
And what would that be??
 

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Isn't that because the story is meaningless unless those surveyed agreed that the stories were factual, but nevertheless categorized them as fake news? Unfortunately, there's not a lot of agreement these days on what is factual.

What I find scary is how many people are absolutely sure that news is true because the media told them so (and then double told them so by "fact checking"!).
And unless you were a witness or participant how would you know anything at all, except through some media or other? No one believes or disbelieves because they were told, that's how everyone learns just about everything they 'know'. It's what we invented speech and language for.

We know and judge on the basis of who told us, and on how well what we are told lines up with the supporting details they are also telling us, and with what we already know to be true. Reliability, consistency and fit with known facts. Or on the other hand, as the survey suggests we can judge according to feelings and preferences and choose not to listen.

I can't be sure what your first sentence is driving at, but as to what is factual, it's like my old teachers used to say: "A fact is a fact is a fact, that's why 'true facts' is redundant, there are no untrue facts. Although people can lie and pretend their falsehoods, feelings or fantasies are facts, they are not, and can be disproved or revealed as lies, fables or opinions, not fact.

As a timely illustration, McNasty's opinion in #15 above, dressed up and parading as a factual statement about Liberals or liberals but with neither supporting evidence nor a reputation for accuracy and truth to support either the number or the assertion.
 
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