90,000 Turkish Mosques Preach 'Conquest' Sermons

Zaibetter · Jan 21, 2018

Turkey has attacked Syria with the calls to conquer form mosques, some things never change.

Over 90,000 mosques around Turkey gave sermons on conquest and asked community to pray for the troops during Turkish military operation on Syria, Hürriyet newspaper reported.

Turkey’s religious authority on Friday called on all religious clerics in Turkish mosques, which are state employees, to read Quran’s chapter 48 on conquest (Al-Fath) and invited community to pray for Turkish soldiers.

Ali Erbaş, Director of Religious Affairs, said in a statement:

For the victory of the Afrin cross-border operation initiated by our heroic security forces against terrorist organisations which threatens our country and our peacefulness, the Surat Al-Fath will be read before, during and after morning prayers. We will also say our prayers for our army and our nation. I ask all our staff to perform the program in question.

Erbaş also joined the morning prayer in Ankara’s Hacı Bayram Mosque, Hürriyet said.

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mandrill · Jan 21, 2018

Turkish religious authority calls for ‘conquest’ sermon in support of military

Over 90,000 mosques around Turkey gave sermons on conquest and asked community to pray for the troops during Turkish military operation on Syria, Hürriyet newspaper reported .

Turkey’s religious authority on Friday called on all religious clerics in Turkish mosques, which are state employees, to read Quran’s chapter 48 on conquest (Al-Fath) and invited community to pray for Turkish soldiers.

Ali Erbaş, Director of Religious Affairs, said in a statement:

For the victory of the Afrin cross-border operation initiated by our heroic security forces against terrorist organisations which threatens our country and our peacefulness, the Surat Al-Fath will be read before, during and after morning prayers. We will also say our prayers for our army and our nation. I ask all our staff to perform the program in question.

Erbaş also joined the morning prayer in Ankara’s Hacı Bayram Mosque, Hürriyet said.

It appears to be a standard religious blessing for the armed forces, ordered by the Turkish government, which has sent Turkish government troops into Syria to hunt - what I assume are either Kurdish or Syrian - opponents. It's got nothing to do with Islamic terrorism or ISIS or AQ.

"God Save Our Gracious Queen.
Send her Victorious, Happy and Glorious"

The same sort of stuff.

Zaibetter · Jan 21, 2018

oagre said:
Turkish religious authority calls for ‘conquest’ sermon in support of military

Over 90,000 mosques around Turkey gave sermons on conquest and asked community to pray for the troops during Turkish military operation on Syria, Hürriyet newspaper reported .

Turkey’s religious authority on Friday called on all religious clerics in Turkish mosques, which are state employees, to read Quran’s chapter 48 on conquest (Al-Fath) and invited community to pray for Turkish soldiers.

Ali Erbaş, Director of Religious Affairs, said in a statement:

For the victory of the Afrin cross-border operation initiated by our heroic security forces against terrorist organisations which threatens our country and our peacefulness, the Surat Al-Fath will be read before, during and after morning prayers. We will also say our prayers for our army and our nation. I ask all our staff to perform the program in question.

Erbaş also joined the morning prayer in Ankara’s Hacı Bayram Mosque, Hürriyet said.

It appears to be a standard religious blessing for the armed forces, ordered by the Turkish government, which has sent Turkish government troops into Syria to hunt - what I assume are either Kurdish or Syrian - opponents. It's got nothing to do with Islamic terrorism or ISIS or AQ.

"God Save Our Gracious Queen.
Send her Victorious, Happy and Glorious"

The same sort of stuff.

Not the same sort of stuff. Quite a difference between blessing the army and wishing victory and sermons on conquest.

FAST · Jan 21, 2018

What the hell has happened to Turkey,... in a word,... Islam.

Zaibetter · Jan 21, 2018

FAST said:
What the hell has happened to Turkey,... in a word,... Islam.

Yes unfortunately, years ago they use to be way more secular now they're going backwards again. Their religious affairs agency has given a green light to child marriage at age 9. Maybe because that's the age of Mohamed's wife. I'm not surprised.

ANKARA (AFP) - Turkey's religious affairs state agency came under heavy criticism on Thursday (Jan 4) from the main opposition party after it reportedly said girls as young as nine could marry under Islamic law.

The Diyanet religious affairs directorate said on Tuesday the minimum age for girls to marry was nine, and 12 for boys, according to Turkish media, including Hurriyet daily, quoting the agency's official website.

The post, which took the form of an explanatory statement on Islamic law, has since been taken down, after a backlash from the opposition and women's rights groups.

The head of the High Commission of Religious Affairs, Mr Ekrem Keles, on Thursday told Hurriyet that the earliest age for a girl to marry is 17 and 18 for a boy.

"Forget a nine or a 10-year-old child marrying, a child at 15 should not marry and should not be married," he said.

The legal age to get married in Turkey is 18.

But Turkish law says that in extraordinary circumstances, a judge can give permission for a male and female aged 16 to marry.

The controversy touched a nerve in Turkey, where child marriages are not uncommon and the fight continues to raise girls' levels of education.

Main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) lawmaker Gaye Usluer accused the government of being "more interested in how to marry children at a young age when there needs to be talk on children's education, health".

Meanwhile, CHP lawmaker Murat Bakan on Twitter said child marriage "violates children's rights, women's rights and human rights", adding that the party had called for a parliamentary investigation into child marriages.

Women's rights groups also criticised the agency, which is similar to a religious affairs ministry, accusing it of trying to legitimise child abuse and urging Diyanet to "get their hands off our children".

The ministry said it had "never and will never approve early marriages" in a statement, saying it was only defining Islamic law.

"Forcing girls to marry before psychological and biological maturity, and before they obtain the responsibility to become a mother and form a family is not compatible with Islam which says will and consent are conditions for marriage," it added.

Women's groups as well as Ms Usluer raised concerns over Diyanet's move coming after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan approved a controversial law in November allowing state-approved clerics to conduct marriage ceremonies.

"When we said 'if you give muftis (clerics employed by Diyanet) the power to conduct marriages, the issue of child brides will increase', this is what we meant," she said, according to CHP's website.

Opponents often claim that Mr Erdogan and his Islamic-rooted Justice and Development Party are attacking the republic's secular foundations, claims dismissed by the government.

In 2016, the government was forced to throw out a Bill that could have pardoned men convicted of child sex assault after a public outcry.

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/m...ous-affairs-agency-gives-green-light-to-child

mandrill · Jan 22, 2018

Zaibetter said:
Not the same sort of stuff. Quite a difference between blessing the army and wishing victory and sermons on conquest.

"Send her VICTORIOUS, happy and glorious"

We do it too. The British national anthem essentially supports conquest as well. If I sat down, I could probably come up with more examples.

FAST · Jan 22, 2018

Religious terrorism,...

oagre said:
"Send her VICTORIOUS, happy and glorious"

We do it too. The British national anthem essentially supports conquest as well. If I sat down, I could probably come up with more examples.

Gee,... I didn't know Turkey was under attack.

But I guess a religion, and those who support that religion,... can justify just about anything,... including attempts to destroy a culture in another country.

Frankfooter · Jan 22, 2018

FAST said:
Gee,... I didn't know Turkey was under attack.

But I guess a religion, and those who support that religion,... can justify just about anything,... including attempts to destroy a culture in another country.

Turkey is attacking Syria right now.
Read the news.

mandrill · Jan 22, 2018

FAST said:
Gee,... I didn't know Turkey was under attack.

But I guess a religion, and those who support that religion,... can justify just about anything,... including attempts to destroy a culture in another country.

Neither was Britain in the 1800's when it conquered India, Australia, Western Canada and most of Africa. I guess asking God to help Queen Victoria be "victorious" worked.

FAST · Jan 22, 2018

Convert,... or die,...

oagre said:
Neither was Britain in the 1800's when it conquered India, Australia, Western Canada and most of Africa. I guess asking God to help Queen Victoria be "victorious" worked.

So taking a verse from England's national anthem,... is equivalent to an increasingly oppressive Islamic country's war cry,... well if one supports Turkey's attacks on another country,... I guess any equivalency works.

mandrill · Jan 22, 2018

FAST said:
So taking a verse from England's national anthem,... is equivalent to an increasingly oppressive Islamic country's war cry,... well if one supports Turkey's attacks on another country,... I guess any equivalency works.

Where do I say that I "support" Turkey's attacks?

FAST · Jan 22, 2018

oagre said:
Where do I say that I "support" Turkey's attacks?

You justify the attacks by an increasingly oppressive Islamic country,... by comparing its Islamic war cry to a verse in a country's national anthem.

To get the record straight,... do you support how Turkey has recently devolved,... from a progressive secular state, to one governed by religious oppression,... ???

mandrill · Jan 22, 2018

FAST said:
You justify the attacks by an increasingly oppressive Islamic country,... by comparing its Islamic war cry to a verse in a country's national anthem.

To get the record straight,... do you support how Turkey has recently devolved,... from a progressive secular state, to one governed by religious oppression,... ???

I don't justify any attacks. There is nothing in any of my posts about attacks. Please read my posts more carefully and thoughtfully. You don't understand what I was saying and this is wasting my time.

Re Erdogan, I think he's an asshole and he is taking Turkey in the wrong direction. I would add however, that I would say exactly the same thing about Putin and his use of the Orthodox Church in Russia. Same shtick by the same type of dictator.

FAST · Jan 22, 2018

oagre said:
I don't justify any attacks. There is nothing in any of my posts about attacks. Please read my posts more carefully and thoughtfully. You don't understand what I was saying and this is wasting my time.

Re Erdogan, I think he's an asshole and he is taking Turkey in the wrong direction. I would add however, that I would say exactly the same thing about Putin and his use of the Orthodox Church in Russia. Same shtick by the same type of dictator.

From one of your posts,... were you said nothing about attacks in your posts,...
"It appears to be a standard religious blessing for the armed forces, ordered by the Turkish government, which has sent Turkish government troops into Syria to hunt - what I assume are either Kurdish or Syrian - opponents"

Just a "standard religious blessing",... if you believe that,... you may have a rather noisy visit in the middle of the night by some guys from the Canadian government.

And once again with an equivalent form another religion,... just what the hell has Russia got to do with the subject,...the war cries of an increasingly oppressive Islamic countries attacks.

If you don't want to waste your time,... don't bother trying to produce completely irrelevant examples, to compare with the an increasingly oppressive Islamic countries war cries and attacks.

mandrill · Jan 22, 2018

FAST said:
From one of your posts,... were you said nothing about attacks in your posts,...
"It appears to be a standard religious blessing for the armed forces, ordered by the Turkish government, which has sent Turkish government troops into Syria to hunt - what I assume are either Kurdish or Syrian - opponents"

Just a "standard religious blessing",... if you believe that,... you may have a rather noisy visit in the middle of the night by some guys from the Canadian government.

And once again with an equivalent form another religion,... just what the hell has Russia got to do with the subject,...the war cries of an increasingly oppressive Islamic countries attacks.

If you don't want to waste your time,... don't bother trying to produce completely irrelevant examples, to compare with the an increasingly oppressive Islamic countries war cries and attacks.

You are starting an argument over nothing to annoy me. My posts are self explanatory. You're deliberately misinterpreting them to start an argument. Have a nice day.

Frankfooter · Jan 22, 2018

FAST said:
You justify the attacks by an increasingly oppressive Islamic country,... by comparing its Islamic war cry to a verse in a country's national anthem.

To get the record straight,... do you support how Turkey has recently devolved,... from a progressive secular state, to one governed by religious oppression,... ???

Nothing oagre said suggested he supported attacks.
You should apologize.

Conil · Jan 22, 2018

FAST said:
Gee,... I didn't know Turkey was under attack.

But I guess a religion, and those who support that religion,... can justify just about anything,... including attempts to destroy a culture in another country.

Frankfooter said:
Turkey is attacking Syria right now.
Read the news.

LOL I guess Zeka can't recognize sarcasm if it hit him on the head. Turkey is hitting Kurds (a culture) in Syria.

Conil · Jan 22, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Nothing oagre said suggested he supported attacks.
You should apologize.

Oh Yessss Fast better apologize , otherwise you know whats going to happen

FAST · Jan 22, 2018

oagre said:
You are starting an argument over nothing to annoy me. My posts are self explanatory. You're deliberately misinterpreting them to start an argument. Have a nice day.

I wouldn't waste my time on an effort to annoy you,... I give a shit.

I didn't start an argument,... I disagreed with you,... just as you disagreed with the OP.

From your post,... "we do it too",... and brought up a verse from England's national anthem.

So just who is "we"... is that only England,... or maybe the Christian west,... or just the secular Canadian culture,... or the European culture,... or the Asian culture,... or is it just any culture/religion other than the specific Islamic culture discussed in this thread ,... ???

You established two sides,... "we" and "they",... which side are you on.

FAST · Jan 22, 2018

Conil said:
LOL I guess Zeka can't recognize sarcasm if it hit him on the head. Turkey is hitting Kurds (a culture) in Syria.

It takes a minimum of average intelligence to read through sarcasm,... some just don't have it.

And as far as Turkey trying to destroy the Kurds,... seems to be a commonality with a certain culture,...that some here support.

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