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Frankfooter

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Nope. When your on the outside it's easy to say things like Trump did in 2013. When you're on the inside it's a whole different kettle of fish. I'm sure he'd walk back that comment today. This is on Schumer and Pelosi. They are relics and need to GFTO.
He never admits he's wrong, though.
Good luck, the best he'd do is claim that he never said it.

Total bullshitter who had no clue and apparently still doesn't.
 

bver_hunter

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Again, how can people not understand that it was Trump who blocked all the bipartisan deals that both sides of the house came up with in the first place.
Trump should never have ended DACA without coming up with an alternative that was acceptable to all sides of the House. Clearly DACA was not an issue as the vast majority of the Dreamers were employed and / or in school trying to further their careers. He did it just to appease his Trumptard Cult Following and had nothing to do with the safety of the Americans. Anyway, why should he have rejected the bipartisan deal that was brought to him to prevent the shutdown?? Really, he has an agenda that people in his own party like Lindsay Graham cannot even comprehend. Silly man!!
 

jcpro

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Again, how can people not understand that it was Trump who blocked all the bipartisan deals that both sides of the house came up with in the first place.
Trump should never have ended DACA without coming up with an alternative that was acceptable to all sides of the House. Clearly DACA was not an issue as the vast majority of the Dreamers were employed and / or in school trying to further their careers. He did it just to appease his Trumptard Cult Following and had nothing to do with the safety of the Americans. Anyway, why should he have rejected the bipartisan deal that was brought to him to prevent the shutdown?? Really, he has an agenda that people in his own party like Lindsay Graham cannot even comprehend. Silly man!!
LOL!!! There was no bipartisan deal of any kind. What Graham-Durbin proposed had no chance on the Hill nor in the White House. What Durbin did after only ensured adversarial reception of any other Democrat proposals, not only by the President but by the Republicans on the Hill. And played right into Trump's trap- now the DNC will have to explain to the American people why they shut down the government over the illegal immigration.
 

apoptygma

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LOL!!! There was no bipartisan deal of any kind. What Graham-Durbin proposed had no chance on the Hill nor in the White House. What Durbin did after only ensured adversarial reception of any other Democrat proposals, not only by the President but by the Republicans on the Hill. And played right into Trump's trap- now the DNC will have to explain to the American people why they shut down the government over the illegal immigration.
“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”
 

jcpro

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“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”
You're right. DACA did start at the top. In Obama's White House.
 

bver_hunter

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LOL!!! There was no bipartisan deal of any kind. What Graham-Durbin proposed had no chance on the Hill nor in the White House. What Durbin did after only ensured adversarial reception of any other Democrat proposals, not only by the President but by the Republicans on the Hill. And played right into Trump's trap- now the DNC will have to explain to the American people why they shut down the government over the illegal immigration.
Naaw!! Trump will have to explain why the government was shut down. After all he always believed that the blame lies at the very top. The majority in the Opinion polls blame Trump and the Republicans. Even the Democrats and Republicans came up with a compromise so that the Military and Armed Forces would get paid, in spite of the shut down. It was off course unacceptable to Trump for whatever reason. He is to blame and will have to take the responsibility for it. No ifs, or buts.

Even Lindsay Graham has criticized the extremist members of Trump's cabinet for hijacking the bipartisan compromises.
 

jcpro

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Naaw!! Trump will have to explain why the government was shut down. After all he always believed that the blame lies at the very top. The majority in the Opinion polls blame Trump and the Republicans. Even the Democrats and Republicans came up with a compromise so that the Military and Armed Forces would get paid, in spite of the shut down. It was off course unacceptable to Trump for whatever reason. He is to blame and will have to take the responsibility for it. No ifs, or buts.
If wishes were horses... I certainly hope the shut down lasts awhile. It will all but bury any hopes for flipping the House and the Senate.
 

bver_hunter

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If wishes were horses... I certainly hope the shut down lasts awhile. It will all but bury any hopes for flipping the House and the Senate.
That is called Dictatorship and Autocracy, like Putin's Russia. We know that Trumpty Dumpty loves that kind of a system and no wonder he has praised Putin for the way he runs that Autocratic State.
They both have cult followers who want such leaders that do not believe in true democracy. But wishful thinking as he will not last his full term in office. Impeachment, is around the corner.
 

jcpro

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That is called Dictatorship and Autocracy, like Putin's Russia. We know that Trumpty Dumpty loves that kind of a system and no wonder he has praised Putin for the way he runs that Autocratic State.
They both have cult followers who want such leaders that do not believe in true democracy. But wishful thinking as he will not last his full term in office. Impeachment, is around the corner.
I've no idea what you're blabbing about. Focus! This is a Congressional matter that can only be solved on the Hill. There was no valid reason to shut down the government as even some Democrats who are up for re-election recognize. Linking the cash flow to illegal immigration was the idiotic direction to take. Especially in light of the Executive's requirements for any successful immigration reform. The Republicans need to back off and let the Democrats sweat this out.
 

oldjones

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You're right. DACA did start at the top. In Obama's White House.
He's been gone for a year now.

Leaving the fix to the guys who said they knew what was wrong, and would get on it right away if they were elected. And they started with that blather years ago.

They were elected. Apparently the best they can think to do is make another empty promise to get around to starting on it in March. Maybe.

And they can't come up with anything better to do in the meantime than shutdown the entire government.
 

Aardvark154

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So if we had a shopping list:

1. Abolish the Senate;
2. Legislate open primary voting with all voters electing an open slate of candidates and the top 3 or 4 running in the election itself.
3. Ban political parties at the federal level.
It is possible you would get No. 2 --- a number of states already conduct their primaries that sort of manner (unenrolled voters can choose in which primary they wish to vote -- but you can only vote in one primary)

Numbers one and three are just not going to happen in our lifetimes.
 

jcpro

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Deflecting as usual.
The shutdown happened on Orangeutang's watch. He is solely responsible. His words EXACTLY.
So what? Tip O'Neill shut down the government 12 times. The world did not end. Relax.
 

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I’ve yet to notice.....
 

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oldjones

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It is possible you would get No. 2 --- a number of states already conduct their primaries that sort of manner (unenrolled voters can choose in which primary they wish to vote -- but you can only vote in one primary)

Numbers one and three are just not going to happen in our lifetimes.
•3. Can't ever be achieved. People get together; it's how our species works.
•2. Better the redundant and useless legislated primaries should be abolished. Let parties pick their candidates as they choose. Just make laws about honest process. Wouldn't hurt to make those apply to any and all formal groups.
•1. The Senate has the only national legislators with serious experience and a clear mandate: to represent their States in Washington. Return to first Constitutional principles and have States pick 'em as they choose. Keep the feds out of it. The House can establish its primacy by its merit. Or not.

Before you do anything: Get one decent, fair, non-partisan set of election rules nationwide, from districting to voters lists, administered with as little party influence as possible. The piggybacking pretence that widely varying state laws are all that's needed to elect the planet's most important government is way past its best before date.

And somewhere in those rules, one might think to require Electors to be free of compulsion to vote in any way, except to reflect the popular vote in their state, if the College cannot be abolished. And at least make them wear cute dress-up outfits like the Brits now and then do in the Lords, when they do their ceremonial task.
 

apoptygma

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So what? Tip O'Neill shut down the government 12 times. The world did not end. Relax.
I couldn't care less if the government is shut down.
It's just pathetic that Trump and his Tards think this is the Dems fault. No one is to blame but Stable Genius himself... HIS words.
Sad!
 

jcpro

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I couldn't care less if the government is shut down.
It's just pathetic that Trump and his Tards think this is the Dems fault. No one is to blame but Stable Genius himself... HIS words.
Sad!
LOL!! You really don't know how the US government functions, do you?
 

bver_hunter

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I've no idea what you're blabbing about. Focus! This is a Congressional matter that can only be solved on the Hill. There was no valid reason to shut down the government as even some Democrats who are up for re-election recognize. Linking the cash flow to illegal immigration was the idiotic direction to take. Especially in light of the Executive's requirements for any successful immigration reform. The Republicans need to back off and let the Democrats sweat this out.
You were the one that was "blabbing" about wanting to shut the Government down "awhile". This is a Congressional matter and the President is ultimately responsible for it. No wonder he has gone into a "hide and tweet" protection as obviously he does not know how to responsibly deal with this whole scenario. This DACA situation again is just not about illegal immigrants as the Trumptard Cult Followers would like to believe. it is about these Dreamers that are supported by Governors, Senators and the law Enforcement nation wide. When Lindsay, Collins and Flake the three Republicans want McConnell to categorically address this situation then they might as well do so, get that dummy Trump to sign off, and get the Government back and running.
 
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