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The GOP have a majority in Congress yet are still blaming the Democrats

essguy_

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The GOP is spending far too much time blaming Democrats for a shutdown when they have a majority in Congress. So how is it the Democrats fault?

Trump should show some leadership instead of dividing (shitholes, etc) and maybe he'll get the few votes needed to make up for the members of the GOP team who don't want to vote as their own Party leader wants.


Beyond pathetic. Fortunately for Trump, his base of support are so ignorant that they'll eat up blaming the Democrats.
 

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The GOP is spending far too much time blaming Democrats for a shutdown when they have a majority in Congress. So how is it the Democrats fault?

Trump should show some leadership instead of dividing (shitholes, etc) and maybe he'll get the few votes needed to make up for the members of the GOP team who don't want to vote as their own Party leader wants.


Beyond pathetic. Fortunately for Trump, his base of support are so ignorant that they'll eat up blaming the Democrats.
Trouble is the GOP cannot command a useful and effective majority within their own Party, so the teensy advantage they have in the Senate evaporates time and again. Faced with that, their instinct is to play hardball and threaten to get a couple of cowed Democrats to come over to their side, but with very limited success, since 'their side' is so extreme and far removed from anything even conservative Democrat could sell at home.

It never seems to occur to the Republicans to pick issues and a platform the other half of the country could find some good in and use their muscle to jostle their harder-line buddies into getting stuff done for the good of the Nation.

A recent example being Donny's meeting where he promised on TV he'd have the bi-partisan Congressional delegation work out a plan and he'd approve it "even if he did't like it". But then he let the Freedom caucus dictate to the rest of the Party and to him, so he went back on his word when the delegation did exactly what he asked. Now they're stuck.

Democracy isn't about 'The Majority Wins', that's self-evident. Democracy is about the 'The Minority Are Not Losers', which is the only way you get even close to Everybody Wins.

Unfortunately Trumps' ideal of doing deals is him winning by making everyone else lose, much like 'cleverly' enriching himself through bankruptcy while his unpaid small contractors and suppliers went broke. And he's teaching the Democrats all his tricks and tactics.
 

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House passed a spending bill, the trouble is always the Senate. Narrow majority and diverse party (in fairness they both are) make it hard to do things unilaterally.

The Dems have gone into full resistance mode (see tax bill) which means they will catch hell if the government shuts down.
 

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Whoever leaves the negotiations with the most unreasonable position on the table will be the side the public blames for a shutdown, and they will take it out on that side in the mid terms.
 

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Whoever leaves the negotiations with the most unreasonable position on the table will be the side the public blames for a shutdown, and they will take it out on that side in the mid terms.
Who the public will blame depends on which of the many American 'public's you mean. As OTB says the Democrats have gone into full resistance mode, but he failed to mention so have the Republicans. Each side preferring to make the other climb down rather than be seen as weak themselves.

Unless someone invents a middle ground, everyone loses, no matter how it comes out.
 

b4u

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The GOP is spending far too much time blaming Democrats for a shutdown when they have a majority in Congress. So how is it the Democrats fault?

Trump should show some leadership instead of dividing (shitholes, etc) and maybe he'll get the few votes needed to make up for the members of the GOP team who don't want to vote as their own Party leader wants.


Beyond pathetic. Fortunately for Trump, his base of support are so ignorant that they'll eat up blaming the Democrats.
You might want to learn how government works. I thought everyone knew that 60 votes are required. the Republicans have a max of 51
 

apoptygma

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You might want to learn how government works. I thought everyone knew that 60 votes are required. the Republicans have a max of 51
Yep... their 'efforts' have been so pathetic that they can't even convince 9 of the most conservative Democrats that their proposals aren't shit.
 

b4u

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Yep... their 'efforts' have been so pathetic that they can't even convince 9 of the most conservative Democrats that their proposals aren't shit.
what can I say? Democrats stick together like glue. unlike the Repubs which allow for more free thinking, which is obviously detrimental at times.
 

apoptygma

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what can I say? Democrats stick together like glue. unlike the Repubs which allow for more free thinking, which is obviously detrimental at times.
If Repubs stuck together like the Democrats did, there wouldn't be a problem, right? 51 guaranteed votes, and the small task of convincing a mere 9 conservative Democrats.

I guess you are saying that 'free thinking' is the enemy of Trump and the Repubs?
 

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Who the public will blame depends on which of the many American 'public's you mean. As OTB says the Democrats have gone into full resistance mode, but he failed to mention so have the Republicans. Each side preferring to make the other climb down rather than be seen as weak themselves.

Unless someone invents a middle ground, everyone loses, no matter how it comes out.
I acknowledge that some will blame one side or the other strictly for partisan reasons, regardless of the positions on the table. By "public", I mean persuadable independents who actually vote - you know, the people who determine every election! :)

As to whether everyone loses in a government shutdown, it's hard to say. In a day when the government borrows more money than the value of the services they actually deliver to ordinary people, maybe the taxpayers are net winners in a shutdown.
 

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Who the public will blame depends on which of the many American 'public's you mean. As OTB says the Democrats have gone into full resistance mode, but he failed to mention so have the Republicans. Each side preferring to make the other climb down rather than be seen as weak themselves.

Unless someone invents a middle ground, everyone loses, no matter how it comes out.
Passing a bill in the house isn’t full resistance mode.
 

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Trump Supporters will blame Dems.

Democrats will blame Trump.

Independent/Undecided voters will blame congress as a whole.

Congress will continue to poll as being even more unpopular than a root canal.
 

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The Republicans theoretically have 51 votes. However, they will not even get 50 votes as some Republicans will definitely vote against it. So this cannot be the fault of the Democrats.
 

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Essguy, quite simply monetary bills require 60 votes in the U.S. Senate. Since there are not 60 Republican Senators in the U.S. Senate, no Republicans do NOT have a majority for this purpose in the Senate.
 

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Essguy, quite simply monetary bills require 60 votes in the U.S. Senate. Since there are not 60 Republican Senators in the U.S. Senate, no Republicans do NOT have a majority for this purpose in the Senate.
There are 3 Dems that have said they will vote yes, all up for re-election in states Trump won.

I’m not sure I understand the drama, I’ve seen several government shutdowns and I don’t remember noticing.
 

b4u

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#Schumershutdown and so it begins. Dems are idiots to think that they could tie DACA to this. there is no way Repubs would accept that, and if they had it would be a slaughter in the upcoming elections.
 

b4u

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The Hill is reporting that its actually #Trumpshutdown that's really swamping twitter.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...utdown-becomes-top-trending-hashtag-worldwide
lol of course they are. as will all MSM! DUHHHH!!!! heres Schumer the hypocrite in 2013, now doing exactly as he complained was done against them then https://youtu.be/yuCuuYUQFXM?t=2m46s


When you put illegal immigrants above US citizens, there should be a strong political cost in doing so.
Dems didn't want CHIP to continue for 6 years? Daca deadline is in March. why force it through now when there isn't even a fucking decent bill to be signed. Trump was VERY VERY clear in the bipartisan meeting last week. he said any daca deal MUST allow for the WALL, end of chain migration and end to the visa lottery. thats all he wanted. he said he would sign anything brought to him that included provisions for those 3 items. NOT NEGOTIABLE!!


And speaking of Twitter, I guess you missed the Project Veritas undercover work in Twitterland. it's shocking and it should concern you!
 
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