Strange. Bud hasn't addressed this point. But I'm sure he'll prove the coroner is just part of the conspiracy.
Antifa Professor Admits Carrying Rifle and Chasing James Fields’ Car Before Deadly...
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Yes, I have, multiple times. Start reading my posts if you want to comment on them. I don't respond to Frank's posts, because I don't see them (I have him on ignore).
And that's not correct. Her proximate cause of death was heart failure resulting from blunt force trauma. Blunt force trauma is not a cause of death on its own. Never place your faith in "certain posters" to give you accurate information. I'll accept the confirmation of Heather Heyer's mother on this one.
Your rambling attempts to claim Heyer wasn't hit by the car tend to obscure any rational point you think you made.
Strange then that you refuse to understand that is what trials are for. You would rather decide the case based on the video clips you've gotten from fringe sources. There is a trial coming up and the DA feels they had enough evidence to have upgraded the charges to murder. Either that means the actual evidence disagrees with your claims or it's the nasty liberal conspiracy against innocent white supremacists like you're pretending.
There needs to be an impartial investigation which will have public credibility, be this by the Bureau of Criminal Investigation of the Virginia State Police or by the FBI.
So you don't read them, but comment on them anyway. Speaks to the quality and relevance of your posts. More on that below.
Yes, it will be you that tells me what trials are for. LOL!
You are really deluded on this issue. What is a fringe source to you? Journalists who were at the scene? Ordinary citizens who were at the scene? Security cameras of local businesses? That's who created these videos, not a roving alt-right camera crew. Do you have any reason to doubt the authenticity of these videos? No one, and I mean not even Antifa themselves have challenged their authenticity. I'm 100% sure they are going to be received into evidence and reviewed by the court. You seem to be under the impression that these videos could only be viewed on obscure alt-right websites. For the last time, WRONG. They are easy to find on YouTube and you will find that they have been posted by their creators or reposted by quite ordinary users. Maybe they were too long for your apparently limited attention span.
Everything else you said just proves you didn't read even my most recent post. What a waste of time you are. Stop responding to my posts if you're really not that interested in them.
There is, there is a trial with both sides being able to present whatever evidence they have.
Says the man who spends countless hours trying to prove a neo nazi is just a 'really nice person'.
How would the journalist know that Squire was weeping close to where Heather Heyer's bleeding body was located after the collision, if Squire did not mention it to him??
Obviously, he interviewed Squire and then came up that whole article. This is where she mentioned that she recounted the event in the next paragraph of that article that I posted:
Recounting the event months later, Squire began to cry. “I had all this intelligence that I hadn’t used as effectively as I could have. I felt like I’d wasted a chance that could have made a difference.” When she returned home, she threw herself into expanding Whack-a-Mole.
So obviously this article relates to what Squire told the reporter. You have not come up with the exact explanation as to why the charges should not have been elevated from second degree to first degree murder charges. There was probably more evidence from the murder scene that was presented by the prosecution in order to elevate the charges, so I still am not sure what your argument is with regards to this case. Only the alt right wingers have expressed their opinion that Fields is innocent.
Do you want Fields to be charged with this murder? Yes or No??
I have to repeat everything I tell you in these threads. It's extremely tedious. The journalist DID NOT KNOW that Heyer was bleeding on the street. He made it up, or he thinks it's true because he read what another journalist wrote, who made it up.
So, no, your logic is not sound.
And for the love of god, if you want to argue with me, read what I write, and if you don't understand it, either ask questions or do some research. I have already explained the low standard (reasonable cause - same standard needed to obtain a warrant) and the procedural limitations applicable to preliminary hearings (evidence is only generally only called by the prosecution, cross examination on that evidence is limited). You cannot draw the conclusion that charges would succeed at trial because a judge has authorized them in a preliminary hearing. I've commented on the strategy of the defence in relation to such hearings, but I don't intend to repeat myself for the benefit of someone too lazy to read my posts.
Your so called "research" is flawed. Tell me which link you have followed to prove that Heather Heyer was "not bleeding" after that trauma.
Here is another source who actually performed CPR on her and he corroborates the statement that she lay bleeding. This is the exact spot on her body that she was bleeding from:
"When we heard the car crash into our march, I was about 20 feet away from Heather, and I responded immediately to the screams for medics. I arrived to find bystanders holding c-spine traction on Heather’s neck and putting pressure on a deep leg wound to stop the bleeding, and I stopped to assist in controlling the bleed. Within a minute or two, Heather’s respirations slowed and stopped, she lost her pulse, we rolled her onto her back, and I began chest compressions. An EMT street medic provided respiratory supplies, and a bystander with medic training began respirations."
https://itsgoingdown.org/state-trooper-try-stop-medics-performing-cpr-heather-heyer/
Unless you have proper proof from the bystanders that were at the scene and witnessed Heather Heyer after the collision, just do not bother with getting back about some extreme right wing conspiracy theory.
Yet another source to corroborate the fact that Heather Heyer WAS BLEEDING, meaning she was STRUCK by that terrorist car:
Charlottesville activist David Vaughn Straughn, 36, was standing just a foot away from Heyer when she was mowed down, he told the Daily News.
“I saw her body, badly hurt. She was bleeding ... I screamed ‘Medic!’... They showed up right away,” said Straughn.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ther-heyer-buried-wednesday-article-1.3410469
Charlottesville activist David Vaughn Straughn, 36, was standing just a foot away from Heyer when she was mowed down, he told the Daily News.
“I saw her body, badly hurt. She was bleeding ... I screamed ‘Medic!’... They showed up right away,” said Straughn.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ther-heyer-buried-wednesday-article-1.3410469
Obviously not. He doesn't want to hear the evidence that motivated the prosecution to upgrade the charges or allow the corrupt legal system to rail-road his white supremacist because he would rather try and pick at threads like the good conspiracy theorist he is.
I'm sure that after the trial he will still be claiming it was a miscarriage of justice.
I feel like I'm really just helping you with your reading comprehension problems. Here is the entire text of the article you reference:
As a queer, non-binary, anarchist, critical care RN/street medic who was the first responder for Heather Heyer, initiating CPR and, with a team of amazing bystanders, facilitating resuscitation until EMS arrived, I feel a compelling need to tell our story.
When we heard the car crash into our march, I was about 20 feet away from Heather, and I responded immediately to the screams for medics. I arrived to find bystanders holding c-spine traction on Heather’s neck and putting pressure on a deep leg wound to stop the bleeding, and I stopped to assist in controlling the bleed. Within a minute or two, Heather’s respirations slowed and stopped, she lost her pulse, we rolled her onto her back, and I began chest compressions. An EMT street medic provided respiratory supplies, and a bystander with medic training began respirations.
One of the critical aspects of Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS), which is the advanced form of CPR that trained medics provide, is maintaining chest compressions at an effective depth and speed, with no breaks in compressions. Providing effective chest compressions is exhausting, and to maintain effective compressions, we ideally provide compressions for only two minutes, and take turns with other medics.
In 90 degree heat, this is even more essential. I was horrified to discover, after two minutes of intense, exhausting chest compressions, that a state trooper had forcibly removed the EMT assisting me in resuscitation, as well as other bystanders ready in line for the next round of compressions. The EMT told the state trooper that we were actively resuscitating a patient, but the state trooper physically removed him from the scene anyway.
I had to yell for other bystanders to come assist with compressions, and two people courageously responded, despite the threats of the state trooper. The state trooper then began yelling at me to leave my patient. I initially thought that perhaps he intended to take over chest compressions, and counted him in to start the next round of compressions (when we switch out on chest compressions, particularly in a chaotic situation, we always count each other in, as in “switching in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1,” so that we don’t have confusion that results in a pause in chest compressions), but he stood by and said he could not do compressions. Why?! I thought to myself.
He continued yelling at me to leave, and would not back down until I screamed that I’m a critical care nurse, I do CPR frequently, we have a patient without a pulse or respirations, and we will NOT stop CPR. He then began screaming that I could stay, but the other bystanders assisting CPR had to leave (they didn’t), and he did not stop until a firefighter arrived and took over chest compressions.
Trying to understand the mind of an aggressive cop is an impossible endeavor, but I will be compelled for the rest of my life to try. Unfortunately, I did not get his name or badge number, or I would ask him (and his direct supervisors) about his behavior personally. If anyone has information about that state trooper, please let IGD know, so I can take action to have this guy fired/suspended/hopefully at least reprimanded.
I assume it is not correct state trooper protocol to interfere with or attempt to halt CPR on an unresponsive patient who just lost her pulse and respirations. And, to their credit, it appears all the other state troopers were assisting street medics in treating the other casualties on the scene. Why this one tried to force us to abandon Heather Heyer, with no intention of providing CPR himself, I will never understand.
What was his agenda? Whose side is he on? Apparently, he was not on Heather’s side. His behavior, forcing our attention away from Heather in her dying moments, and physically removing most of her desperately needed medics, who had to be replaced with amazing but inexperienced bystanders, was heinous and unimaginable.
Finally, I would like to state, as a very small, unarmed person who held ground against a very large, armed person giving me orders, with the power to arrest and physically harm me for refusing to follow those orders: NEVER try to come between a nurse and their patient. A bit like coming between a mama bear and their cubs. We do not abandon our patients. And, a note to fascists everywhere, good people will stand our ground. We will not abandon each other, we will not abandon marginalized communities, we will not back down. Even when you show up very large with guns and knives.
We will not back down. Power to the good! Rest in power, Heather. I will always remember your eyes.
First, let's take the statement at face value.
1. Does the witness say Heyer was lying IN THE STREET? No. Video of the EMTs removing her from the accident site show removal from the sidewalk.
2. The witness claims that Heyer was bleeding from a leg wound. Interesting. How did she suffer a leg wound from the side of the collision? The leg wound would have to have been on the BACK or SIDE of her leg, as it is described as being controlled by compression PRIOR to flipping her on her back to apply CPR. Heyer doesn't appear in videos to be struck by any part of the side of the vehicle. Was this the area of blunt trauma identified by the coroner, or unrelated to the point of the blunt force contact? Further, the author arrives at a point in time where any bleeding is under control. She (I'll use she, but the author is anonymous (curious in itself)) continues to maintain control over any bleeding. There is no mention in the story that Heyer lost any significant amount of blood, or that blood loss is in any way related to her heart failure. All of that is consistent with other evidence that there was no signficant amount of bleeding, nor was Heyer left to "bleed in the streets" for any period of time.
In short, the article supports my information, not the other article you posted.
Now, let's talk about the article as if it were being put forward as evidence:
1. IT IS AN ANONYMOUS SUBMISSION TO AN ACTIVIST PUBLICATION. It is the testimony of NO ONE. It has been published by an interested party who cannot even claim knowledge of the source (anonymous internet submission). It would never be admitted as evidence of anything in a court.
2. The primary purpose of the article is criticize the police, and raise the spectre that their interference in Heyer's EMT care may have contributed to her death. (Just think about that craziness for a moment, submitted as an anonymous claim!) Put another way, the focus of the story is to describe what what wrong with the way CPR was delivered, not to accurately describe the location of Heyer or the severity of bleeding.
I know your attention span for this stuff is short, so I'll wrap it up. This is non-evidence which either corroborates what I've had to say about Heyer's location in relation to the collision, or is insufficiently focused on the issue. No one should rely on this account in relation to determining if Heyer was struck by the vehicle, what specific injuries were directly caused by the vehicle, or where Heyer was at the exact moment of the collision.
Obviously this anonymous source wanted to remain anonymous as the threats from the right wing Neo nazis is something that everyone takes very seriously.
But now plugged is trying to "rubbish' this anonymous source's account of what he saw. What evidence has plugged provided?? None except some extracts and links from some extreme right wing sources.
There are two links that were posted. All in all the actual witnesses who worked on her CPR as well as bystanders, categorically stated that Heather was bleeding. You obviously missed that part. So you really are living in denial because you want to believe some random extreme right wing Neo nazi conspiracy theorist. Just do not try to give any bs advice based on your fake sources.
If she was ploughed by that car, is she going to fly into the laps of the EMT's. Where do you get this nonsense from?? Obviously, she was lying down on the street when they were giving her CPR. But you have the notion that cameras were constantly focused on Heather hayer and they captured the complete event.
What videos actually show Heather lying on the street and have verified that it is her?? Again your conspiracy theory know no bounds. Really, the second source corroborates the story that she lay down bleeding. What is your problem??
Yes, the author preferred to remain anonymous. But he is the one that tried to save Heather's life. I do not blame him for wanting to be anonymous considering the violence and the threats that the extreme right are known to commit. No doubt he maybe prepared to give his side of the evidence in court. The very fact that the charge was elevated to first degree murder seems to verify his account that she dies as a result of the collision. Yes, she could have also suffered a heart attack as a result of the trauma to her body. That does not mean that this terrorist should get off the hook just because she was hit by the car and did not bleed to death, but instead died from the heart attack as a result. But you live in denial that she was not struck by the car, and also refuse to believe that she was also bleeding. Really!!
Definitely not, as you believe that Heather was not struck by the car, but died of a heart attack. You said that she was "not bleeding". At least do you believe that she was bleeding as a result of the collision?
Again I mentioned about why he preferred to remain anonymous. Maybe he has agreed to testify in court. All the evidence supports the fact that the charges were elevated to "FIRST DEGREE" murder charges. He has not criticized the EMT but only one officer in particular. Goodness knows what your evidence is, but I will go with this guys account as he was present and actually performed the CPR on Heather Heyer. Your Youtube source is some fake random person who is totally short of facts that are intended to push the whole of Heather's death, as a conspiracy theory. Read the link I posted in Post # 51.
I'll make this brief. More detailed discussion is wasted on you, because you are a sloppy reader. I've never affirmatively said Heyer suffered NO bleeding. I've said there was no SIGNIFICANT bleeding. Even this anonymous story confirms that. I've said she wasn't LYING BLEEDING IN THE STREET. Still no evidence to contradict that assessment (that she wasn't lying in the street) made from the available video, which focuses well on the precise area of the collision. Obviously, something caused blunt trauma to Heyer, and a cut, off to the side of the collision. The question remains - what?
The fact that you place any reliance on an anonymous story printed on the website of a politically interested group needs no further comment.
Your view of the event remains predicated on assumptions (often unreasonable) rather than reliable evidence.
Its a stupidly easy question.
The fucking car that the neo-nazi James Fields was driving at the crowd of protesters hit Heyer and killed her.
(whether she was treated on the sidewalk or street is immaterial)
That's why he's charged with murder.
The question still remains, why are you spending so much time trying to defend neo-nazi terrorism?
You were disputing that the fact that the journalist interviewing Squire mentioned that she was bleeding because you think he is making it up. So let's pull up your quote:
If you now think that Heyer was bleeding even if it was not "SIGNIFICANT" as you say, then what the hell are you disputing the fact that the journalist reported it, and why infer that he made it up??
You are contradicting yourself, as you all along tried to dispute that there was any bleeding in the first place. Now you have a go at my sources although I posted three links that confirmed that she was bleeding. Obviously, you do not have any credible so called sources that you claim to have done your dumb "research", with no real witnesses based on your data, just some half cooked videos that do not provide any real evidence. Never came across anyone making any excuses for the extreme right wing Neo nazi murderer like you have consistently being doing. Total waste of time responding to your posts where you defend the extremists.
I'm willing to put big money on the fact that the police and the DA (you know, the people with doing the actual investigation) know exactly who the people are who tried to perform first aid.
