According to your posting history, you mean the elimination of Israel and a state run by Hamas.
p.s. Even Abbas admits he walked away from the best conceivable offer the Palestinians will ever get.
Jerusalem decision will precipitate greater chaos.
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p.s. Even Abbas admits he walked away from the best conceivable offer the Palestinians will ever get.
I don't like Hamas, they are possibly just as bad as the Israeli government.Considering how often you praise Hamas, it's not surprising you are against peace talks.
(though they haven't done anything as evil as the blockade or apartheid)
The only thing I praise them for is moving away from terrorism.
Funny that you don't think moving away from violence is praise worthy.
But you do support the side that kills way, way more civilians.
Nonsense.According to your posting history, you mean the elimination of Israel and a state run by Hamas.
p.s. Even Abbas admits he walked away from the best conceivable offer the Palestinians will ever get.
I think the best possible solution would be for a democratic one state with equal rights.
Hamas is trying to do the best thing and step down for a unity government, but Abbas keeps playing politics.
p.s. Its too bad that the best offer Palestinians were given was just for bantusthans under Israeli control.
'Cuz now you're stuck with the one state solution.
Congrats on your apartheid state.
Do you back apartheid like Phil, or are you willing to criticize Phil for backing apartheid Israel?
You still won't say, will you?
Yet you refuse to criticize Hamas or the Palestinian people for their complete rejection of the idea.Nonsense.
I think the best possible solution would be for a democratic one state with equal rights.
If you kept up with the news, you'd see the major sticking point is Hamas refuses to give up control of their army.Hamas is trying to do the best thing and step down for a unity government, but Abbas keeps playing politics.
But not a surprise that once again you are praising a terrorist organization.
Actually the Palestinians are stuck with a No State solution. Their leaders are continually rejecting a Two State peace and are completely against a One State peace. they have the choice of either agreeing with the UN or having nothing.'Cuz now you're stuck with the one state solution.
Phil is backing nothing but your imagination. There is no apartheid. There are restrictions on non-Israeli Palestinians from crossing the Green Line but Israeli Arabs have full rights so any claims of a legal system that discriminates based on race are bullshit (except under the PA who have laws denying options to Jews).... or are you willing to criticize Phil for backing apartheid Israel?
You still won't say, will you?
Your argument doesn't hold water.Phil is backing nothing but your imagination. There is no apartheid. There are restrictions on non-Israeli Palestinians from crossing the Green Line but Israeli Arabs have full rights so any claims of a legal system that discriminates based on race are bullshit (except under the PA who have laws denying options to Jews).
Talking about imaginary Israeli Arabs who live in the West Bank as if it did anything to discount the 2 million Palestinians living there under separate laws, roads, courts, services and rights as the half million Israeli settlers is a poor argument. Even if there were Israeli Arabs living there, it does nothing to disprove there are separate apartheid systems for Palestinians and Israeli settlers.
Looks like you're the only one here denying that Israel is apartheid, basketcase.No, Israel's right to protect itself from Hamas savages through apartheid supersedes everything else
And for Cye, to bring this thread back on topic, Al Jazeera has a good article featuring interviews with a group of smart Palestinians.
Its hopeful that almost all of them favour peaceful means forward, like BDS, going to the ICC and campaigning for equal rights.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/palestine-180116110352197.html
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Your ostrich routine isn't working. You've been given plenty of sources proving Israeli Arabs are living in and travelling to the West Bank.Your argument doesn't hold water.
Talking about imaginary Israeli Arabs who live in the West Bank...
But it's hilarious that you are now taking phil's words as gospel.
Will you criticize the Palestinian factions that are opposed to both One State and Two state peace or are you just going to admit you are only interested in criticizing Israel?...
And for Cye, to bring this thread back on topic, Al Jazeera has a good article featuring interviews with a group of smart Palestinians.
Its hopeful that almost all of them favour peaceful means forward, like BDS, going to the ICC and campaigning for equal rights.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/palestine-180116110352197.html
You came up with a 7 year old article to prove that their used to be Israeli Arabs studying in one university.Your ostrich routine isn't working. You've been given plenty of sources proving Israeli Arabs are living in and travelling to the West Bank.
But it's hilarious that you are now taking phil's words as gospel.
That's it.
That does nothing to the claim that millions of Palestinians are living under different laws, roads, civil services, citizenship, schools and walled into separate bantustans.
That's apartheid, whether or not there are a handful of Israeli Arabs in that same area or not.
https://electronicintifada.net/site..._apartheid_report_15_march_english_final_.pdf
As Phil has noted.
My preference is a peaceful solution using BDS and the ICC to enact changes.Will you criticize the Palestinian factions that are opposed to both One State and Two state peace or are you just going to admit you are only interested in criticizing Israel?
Even Israelis note that the two state solution was only a different form of apartheid.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-two-state-solution-is-dead-let-it-go-1.5745882The 'Two-state Solution' Only Ever Meant a Big Israel Ruling Over a Palestinian Bantustan. Let It Go
When the Jewish 'hard' left leads the battle for one state, pushing the only political horizon that isn't apartheid, U.S. Jews attack us - for fighting for the same democratic values they prize so highly back home
Yet you refuse to criticize the Palestinian factions who reject both the One or Two State concepts. Instead you continually praise Hamas despite their rejection of peace.My preference is a peaceful solution ...
I posted an article less than a week old about an Israeli Arab studying at a Palestinian University in the West Bank who was killed in Jenin by her Israeli Arab father. Both travelled in the West Bank. You of course refuse to accept reality because your hatred is so much more fulfilling to you.You came up with a 7 year old article to prove that their used to be Israeli Arabs studying in one university.....
Arab Israelis regularly take advantage of the exact same roads in the West Bank that Israeli Jews do. Arab Israelis also take advantage of freedoms under the PA which Jews are denied.
OMG, you're starting to post just like Galsegin. As if single cases of criminal activity demonize all Palestinians.I posted an article less than a week old about an Israeli Arab studying at a Palestinian University in the West Bank who was killed in Jenin by her Israeli Arab father. Both travelled in the West Bank. You of course refuse to accept reality because your hatred is so much more fulfilling to you.
Are you really sinking that low?
Just stop supporting apartheid, its really racist and evil.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...pressure-will-end-israeli-apartheid-1.5394041
In his recent 2-1/2 hour speech, Mahmoud Abbas confirmed that Jew hatred is the stumbling block that is preventing the Palestinians from recognizing the existence of a Jewish state -- thus ensuring there will never be a Palestinian state.
“Israel is a colonialist project that has nothing to do with Jews,” Abbas said.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/15/israel-slams-palestinian-leader-over-anti-trump-speech/
“Israel is a colonialist project that has nothing to do with Jews,” Abbas said.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/15/israel-slams-palestinian-leader-over-anti-trump-speech/
Also confirmed by the hatred also displayed here on terb,... guarantees that the ONLY logical solution to peace,... a two state solution,... will never be achieved.In his recent 2-1/2 hour speech, Mahmoud Abbas confirmed that Jew hatred is the stumbling block that is preventing the Palestinians from recognizing the existence of a Jewish state -- thus ensuring there will never be a Palestinian state.
“Israel is a colonialist project that has nothing to do with Jews,” Abbas said.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/15/israel-slams-palestinian-leader-over-anti-trump-speech/
Trumps push for the relocation,... is saying to the world,... "shit or get off the pot",... but some want the conflict to continue,... with the delusional dream that Israel will be destroyed.
That being the obvious mind set of terrorist supporters.
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Where in that article does Abbas say anything about 'Jew hatred'?In his recent 2-1/2 hour speech, Mahmoud Abbas confirmed that Jew hatred is the stumbling block that is preventing the Palestinians from recognizing the existence of a Jewish state -- thus ensuring there will never be a Palestinian state.
“Israel is a colonialist project that has nothing to do with Jews,” Abbas said.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/15/israel-slams-palestinian-leader-over-anti-trump-speech/
By the way, Palestinians appealed to the ICC again today, this time adding charges that Israel is abusing children.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-appeals-to-icc-to-halt-alleged-israeli-crimes/The Palestinian Authority on Saturday called on the International Criminal Court in The Hague to execute its authority to prevent crimes it said were being perpetrated against the Palestinian people, particularly children.
Marking three years since ICC chief prosecutor Fatou Bensouda launched a “preliminary examination into the situation in Palestine,” PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki issued a letter to the prosecutor in which he denounced what he described as an escalation of unlawful practices by Israel, the PA’s official Wafa news agency reported.
Lets hope that the ICC comes in and charges both sides for any war crimes or crimes against humanity.
And hopefully stops the use of apartheid.
Lets see. He constantly posts ridiculous things about Muslims while you constantly post ridiculous things about Israel. Not much difference there.OMG, you're starting to post just like Galsegin. ...
I've posted articles about Arab Israelis living in settlements and studying at both Israeli and Palestinian Universities in the West Bank and your only comeback is bullshit accusations. What a surprise.
It's funny that you and the PA are upset that Israel dare to arrest violent teens and adults (their use of the word "children" is completely wrong). More of your hate-filled belief that Palestinians should be allowed to attack Jews without consequence....
By the way, Palestinians appealed to the ICC again today, this time adding charges that Israel is abusing children....
You posted one 10 year old article.I've posted articles about Arab Israelis living in settlements and studying at both Israeli and Palestinian Universities in the West Bank and your only comeback is bullshit accusations. What a surprise.
That was pretty much the sum defence for apartheid.
At least Phil is more honest and he admits it..
No, Israel's right to protect itself from Hamas savages through apartheid supersedes everything else
And Amnesty and quite a few other human rights organizations.It's funny that you and the PA are upset that Israel dare to arrest violent teens
Of course if you really think apartheid is really is really in danger from protesting 16 year old girls I could see why you want her locked up forever.
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