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  1. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stiff View Post
    A one state solution would result in perpetual troubles for Israel. Guess why Jordan and Egypt want nothing to do with the West bank and Gaza respectively.

    You're wrong though when you state the Palestinians have no pull, they do, but they've always been divided into factions and sub-factions that served the interests of external masters.
    What they've needed the most but never had was a pragmatic/courageous leadership willing to confront them with the hard truths instead of repeating endless slogans.
    They do have a good leader, Barghouti, but Israel has kept him in prison and propped up Abbas, who has helped stop Palestinian protests and actions.
    And yes, Israel has also made use of the Hamas/Fatah divide to play sides against each other.

    But really, look at Oslo. The 'peace talks' were just used as a stalling technique while Israel put half a million 'settlers' in Palestine to claim that land for 'land swaps'.

    Israel has done exactly as they've wanted and what they did was create an apartheid state and kill the two state solution.
    So stupid.

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  3. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    That's just an angry rant....
    Try reading it again. It actually makes an excellent point -- one you would do well to learn.

    The Palestinian leaders might think they're scoring "emotional" victories but in terms of real-world results, they have achieved absolutely nothing.

    Blaming others is no solution. At some point, they have to get past their Jew hatred and their never-ending portrayal of themselves as "refugees" and actually try to accomplish something for their people.

    Certainly, they have had plenty of opportunities -- and blown all of them.

  4. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    They have all the weapons but they're really screwing themselves over.
    I'm sure Israel would be so much more successful if it were run by the "refugees."

    Frickin' hilarious.

  5. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Except the Palestinian Constitution that Abbas oversaw EXPLICITLY states Palestine is and Islamic State ruled on the principles of Sharia and your Hamas heroes state the same.

    You are a complete fraud.
    And fraudfooter still refuses to criticize the Palestinians for being explicitly Islamic despite all his criticism about Israel.

  6. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    That's just an angry rant, where the author tries to blame Palestinians for being occupied by a nuclear army.

    But if you're talking endgames you have to admit that the zionist movement endgame appears to be incredibly stupid.
    Now they've taken over too much of Palestine for there to ever be a two state solution, so they're stuck with apartheid.
    And apartheid won't fly in this day and age.
    They have all the weapons but they're really screwing themselves over.
    Just another rambling post where you once again refuse to hold Palestinians accountable for their actions and 100 years of rejecting peace.

  7. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    They do have a good leader, Barghouti, but Israel has kept him in prison ....
    That's what countries tend to do with terrorists convicted of multiple murderers.

    But of course you want to pretend he's in jail for his political views.

  8. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Moviefan-2 View Post
    I'm sure Israel would be so much more successful if it were run by the "refugees."

    Frickin' hilarious.
    Actually Israel is run by refugees, pretty equal numbers chased from Europe and Arab lands. Difference is those refugees have focussed on building a country instead of destroying one.

  9. #201
    To be fair they had to destroy the Palestinian village to save the Zionist State. It always had to be that way and now it looks they’re not sure what to build.

  10. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    That's what countries tend to do with terrorists convicted of multiple murderers.

    But of course you want to pretend he's in jail for his political views.
    He was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/belgia...uti-for-nobel/

  11. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Actually Israel is run by refugees, pretty equal numbers chased from Europe and Arab lands. Difference is those refugees have focussed on building a country instead of destroying one.
    Difference is that those refugees made refugees out of those who were living there at the time.
    Which is why there are 5 million Palestinian refugees that Israel won't let come back to their homes.

    Just because you're a refugee doesn't excuse you from war crimes.

    Israel now supports BDS.
    End the campaign.

    BDS Supporters: No Need to Boycott Israeli Film Festival in Paris, 'Israel Is Already Doing It!'
    BDS supporters cite Israel's culture minister, who doesn't want Paris film festival to open with 'Foxtrot,' a movie she says sullies Israel and its army
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...y-is-1.5811016

    Israel can no longer say that BDS is wrong.
    Last edited by Frankfooter; 02-13-2018 at 08:43 AM.

  12. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Actually Israel is run by refugees, pretty equal numbers chased from Europe and Arab lands. Difference is those refugees have focussed on building a country instead of destroying one.
    True enough.

    My point was about the Palestinians who have spent 70 years claiming to be "refugees," which really has just made them wards of the U.N. (and the overwhelming majority of whom are descendents who never lived in Israel and aren't really "refugees" at all).

    As they proved in Gaza, they couldn't build a damn thing.

  13. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Difference is that those refugees made refugees out of those who were living there at the time.....
    Yes, the Palestinians were made refugees when they and the Arab states rejected Partition and launched a war and those same Arab states still refuse to respect the UN Convention on Refugees. They then compounded their crimes against humanity by chasing almost a million Jews out of their ancestral homes over a political conflict that had nothing to do with them.

  14. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Moviefan-2 View Post
    True enough.

    My point was about the Palestinians who have spent 70 years claiming to be "refugees," which really has just made them wards of the U.N. (and the overwhelming majority of whom are descendents who never lived in Israel and aren't really "refugees" at all)...
    And polling says they don't want to be Israeli. But why would Franky care what the Palestinians actually want.

  15. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Moviefan-2 View Post
    True enough.

    My point was about the Palestinians who have spent 70 years claiming to be "refugees," which really has just made them wards of the U.N. (and the overwhelming majority of whom are descendents who never lived in Israel and aren't really "refugees" at all).

    As they proved in Gaza, they couldn't build a damn thing.
    Its pretty hard to build anything when Israel won't let in cement or building supplies, and you're only allowed 3 hours of electricity.
    United Nations officials warn that Gaza is nearing total collapse, with medical supplies dwindling, clinics closing and 12-hour power failures threatening hospitals. The water is almost entirely undrinkable, and raw sewage is befouling beaches and fishing grounds. Israeli officials and aid workers are bracing for a cholera outbreak any day.

    Israel has blockaded Gaza for more than a decade, with severe restrictions on the flow of goods into the territory and people out of it, hoping to contain Hamas and also, perhaps, to pressure Gazans to eventually oust the group from power.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/11/w...ity-abbas.html

    Creating the Gaza death camp is incredibly horrible and stupid.

    If the situation in Gaza doesn't improve, desperate Palestinians will have one place to go: Israel
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/reade...210-story.html

  16. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Its pretty hard to build anything when Israel won't let in cement or building supplies, and you're only allowed 3 hours of electricity....
    1) Outright lies. Israel lets lots of construction materials in. They provide it to aid organizations rather than the corrupt Hamas terrorists who are actively trying to destroy Israel.

    2) If Hamas spent money on infrastructure instead of wasting it on personal luxury and terror, there would be plenty of electricity.

  17. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Its pretty hard to build anything when Israel won't let in cement or building supplies, and you're only allowed 3 hours of electricity.
    You have conveniently forgotten that Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005 and the Palestinians were provided with an opportunity and the resources to create a thriving economy.

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/jona...s-masterstroke

    Instead, they squandered the opportunity and used it to escalate their terrorist attacks on Jews.

  18. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    1) Outright lies.
    There are only about 370 trucks delivering food and goods into Gaza daily, and its at near starvation levels.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-gaz...ost-concerned/

    Hardly anything is being rebuilt as a result of economic strangulation by Israel.
    Unemployment rates reached a new high in 2017, standing at 46.6 percent in the third quarter of the year, according to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics.

    According to the report, only 30 percent of the required cement was allowed into Gaza since the last Israeli offensive against the Strip, citing the Israeli blockade and the "futility" of the UN mechanism.

    The shortage in cement import was evident in the number of homes reconstructed of 5,755 out of 11,000 houses that were completely demolished.

    The number of homes under construction is 818, said the report, and 602 others are in the pipeline, while 3,825 others are still awaiting a funding possibility.

    Almost 4,500 household are still without homes and the financial gap of home destroyed completely reached 3,800, while 56,000 others were partially destroyed.
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._136863375.htm

    Gaza has turned into a death camp.
    Never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    They do have a good leader, Barghouti, but Israel has kept him in prison and propped up Abbas, who has helped stop Palestinian protests and actions.
    And yes, Israel has also made use of the Hamas/Fatah divide to play sides against each other.

    But really, look at Oslo. The 'peace talks' were just used as a stalling technique while Israel put half a million 'settlers' in Palestine to claim that land for 'land swaps'.

    Israel has done exactly as they've wanted and what they did was create an apartheid state and kill the two state solution.
    So stupid.
    So your beef with Abbas is the fact that he helped stop Palestinian "actions"? if those actions meant shooting or blowing up innocents then I'd say he's done the right thing.

    Barghouti might or might not have become a good leader, but he wasn't the one negotiating and calling the shots, he was jailed in 2002 and Arafat died in 2004, so no they've never had good leadership. Maybe Oslo was a failure but this long conflict cannot be reduced to just Oslo.
    There's always time for lube!

  20. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stiff View Post
    So your beef with Abbas is the fact that he helped stop Palestinian "actions"? if those actions meant shooting or blowing up innocents then I'd say he's done the right thing.

    Barghouti might or might not have become a good leader, but he wasn't the one negotiating and calling the shots, he was jailed in 2002 and Arafat died in 2004, so no they've never had good leadership. Maybe Oslo was a failure but this long conflict cannot be reduced to just Oslo.
    My beef isn't that he stopped actions, more that he's just corrupt and inept. He allowed the Oslo accords to be used as a stalling technique while Israel built settlements and killed the two state solution.
    And yes, Oslo isn't the real issue, since taking over all of Palestine really was the goal of the zionist movement from the start.

    Israel's justice minister just recently declared that Israel must remain Jewish at the expense of human rights, meaning that it is apartheid.
    That is really stupid, as Israel's biggest fears are now for equal rights.

  21. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    There are only about 370 trucks delivering food and goods into Gaza daily, ....
    Israel delivers 370 trucks of aid every day to a state that has been run by a corrupt terrorist group bent on Israel's destruction. That's a good thing because Hamas clearly isn't willing to spend their corrupt billions to feed their people.

  22. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    My beef isn't that he stopped actions, more that he's just corrupt and inept. ....
    Yet you openly support Hamas who is almost as corrupt and has shown their ineptness in the way that they have put luxury and terrorism ahead of the welfare of their people.

    Compare the lives of Palestinians in PA run West Bank to Hamas run Gaza over the past decade. It is easy to see which government is inept.

  23. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Israel delivers 370 trucks of aid every day to a state that has been run by a corrupt terrorist group bent on Israel's destruction. That's a good thing because Hamas clearly isn't willing to spend their corrupt billions to feed their people.
    Gaza is occupied by Israel, according to the Geneva Conventions its Israel's duty to care for the wellbeing of those they occupy.
    Regardless of your personal hatred of Palestinians.

    Your racism is not an excuse for war crimes.

    UN's Mideast envoy says Israel responsible for 'catastrophic' situation in Gaza Strip
    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inter...r-catastrophic

  24. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Gaza is occupied by Israel, ...
    Factually incorrect. There is not a single Israeli in Gaza and Gaza has had it's own government for more than a decade. Israel and Egypt control their borders. That's it.

    At the same time, Hamas leadership is worth billions that they made though stealing money from their people, excessive tax on imports, and wasting money and building supplies on terrorism.

    But as usual, in your desperation to avoid criticizing Hamas, you throw out accusations of racism.

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