Hawaii missile warning

Trump was playing golf and was notified that it was't a real test.
Didn't even take the time to tweet out to Hawaii that they didn't have to worry.
Total failure in his duties.

LOL!!!! Blame Trump. Ever heard of chain of command? The attack/all clear messages are not transmitted via Twitter. Those are transmitted through relevant military channels. The question you SHOULD be asking is how is it possible to trigger a ballistic missile warning by "pressing a wrong button"? How is it possible to issue it without confirmation and through the local control only?

jcpro said:

LOL!!!! Blame Trump. Ever heard of chain of command? The attack/all clear messages are not transmitted via Twitter. Those are transmitted through relevant military channels. The question you SHOULD be asking is how is it possible to trigger a ballistic missile warning by "pressing a wrong button"? How is it possible to issue it without confirmation and through the local control only?

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Exactly!

And we're all fully confident that the Commander-in-chief, who had nothing to do with the false alarm going out, will play a similar role in 'corrective' measures to ensure it will never happen …, again.

We're in such good hands.

jcpro said:

LOL!!!! Blame Trump. Ever heard of chain of command? The attack/all clear messages are not transmitted via Twitter. Those are transmitted through relevant military channels. The question you SHOULD be asking is how is it possible to trigger a ballistic missile warning by "pressing a wrong button"? How is it possible to issue it without confirmation and through the local control only?

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Ballistic missile attack on the US info doesn't go through the POTUS, you're saying?
Who is responsible, Pence? Kelly? Bannon? Melania? His caddy?

Frankfooter said:

Ballistic missile attack on the US info doesn't go through the POTUS, you're saying?
Who is responsible, Pence? Kelly? Bannon? Melania? His caddy?

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That's what I said? I asked how is it possible for a local control to issue a ballistic missile warning? Especially since the operator in Hawaii does not have the capability to verify that launch has actually happened. Use your brains, maybe take it off the TDS overdrive.

Insidious Von said:

Chain of command? Trump would be notified first,why - to quote Terry Jones, "because he's the fucking Commander and Chief, that's why".

He has creeping dementia and will become more unstable with time, enjoy the ride supporters.

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Not necessarily, if it was a local mistake. The system is designed to work top to bottom not the other way around. He was informed fairly quickly, I'm sure, but it's not up to the President to sort out car wrecks on I- 95, either.

jcpro said:

how is it possible to trigger a ballistic missile warning by "pressing a wrong button"? How is it possible to issue it without confirmation and through the local control only?

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It wasn't a military warning, it was the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency that pressed the wrong button. For instance in a border state their Emergency Management Agency is the one that puts out television and radio messages to stay off highways in a extreme snow event, or when there is flooding.

Understand this was a combination of poor console design and human error, it was shift change - they were running late, the person at that station pushed the active rather than the test button (right next to each other), it asked the question "are you sure?" and he confirmed that he was sure.

Aardvark154 said:

It wasn't a military warning, it was the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency that pressed the wrong button. For instance in a border state their Emergency Management Agency is the one that puts out television and radio messages to stay off highways in a extreme snow event, or when there is flooding.

Understand this was a combination of poor console design and human error, it was shift change - they were running late, the person at that station pushed the active rather than the test button (right next to each other), it asked the question "are you sure?" and he confirmed that he was sure.

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Well, it's a crappy system they have, whichever way you look at it.

Democrats screw up again, I’m sure that will be the CNN lead....

onthebottom said:

Democrats screw up again, I’m sure that will be the CNN lead....

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Or, maybe Trumpity was on a Call of Duty marathon and accidentally deployed a squad of F-52s towards Hawaii.
WarGames? Nah... a teenage Matthew Broderick had vastly superior international negotiation skills.

Aardvark154 said:

It wasn't a military warning, it was the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency that pressed the wrong button. For instance in a border state their Emergency Management Agency is the one that puts out television and radio messages to stay off highways in a extreme snow event, or when there is flooding.

Understand this was a combination of poor console design and human error, it was shift change - they were running late, the person at that station pushed the active rather than the test button (right next to each other), it asked the question "are you sure?" and he confirmed that he was sure.

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Sensible, basic administrative system and procedures should long ago have been precluded human error and poor console design from generating false alarms to an entire state. What possible good purpose is served by routinely 'testing' the alarm at a set time when that predictably makes the test so tedious the operators ignore the safeguards and the entire warning system fails-hot instead of failing-safe?

Aardvark154 said:

It wasn't a military warning, it was the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency that pressed the wrong button. For instance in a border state their Emergency Management Agency is the one that puts out television and radio messages to stay off highways in a extreme snow event, or when there is flooding.

Understand this was a combination of poor console design and human error, it was shift change - they were running late, the person at that station pushed the active rather than the test button (right next to each other), it asked the question "are you sure?" and he confirmed that he was sure.

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jcpro said:

Well, it's a crappy system they have, whichever way you look at it.

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Yes, it's the same system that will give you flash flood warnings in Hawaii (which are very common especially during storm season). If you're travelling and you have your cellphone activated - you'll get these alarms (text as well as an audible alarm). I believe the cellphone alarms are localized to the area affected for each specific flood. My first trip to Oahu/North Shore, I got one of these at about 3:00 am, and it wasn't a simple ring tone - it was a "WHAAA WHAAA WHAAA" alarm - woke me up in about 1/2 second! (And it was a good thing too, because I had left windows open in the house and the torrential rain was streaming in.) My kids have made friends who live there. One of them posted a pic on their facebook page (before the false alarm report went out) with a very Hawaiian surfer way of dealing with the warning - cracking open a beer, sitting outside enjoying what was left of their life! "No point panicking, brah... might as well enjoy the morning..." LOL!

The official response is complete B.S. It makes no sense at all. Oops's it was a fat finger accident...seriously ? Pearl Harbour is massively protected. From the Sea's and the Skies. I don't know exactly what happened but the official story is garbage.

jcpro said:

Well, it's a crappy system they have, whichever way you look at it.

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No, it's not crappy. Could be improved but for it's main purpose (weather alerts) it's a very good system - especially for people travelling to Hawaii who may not be familiar with the localized nature of severe storms (eg: It might be sunny in Honolulu, but torrential rains and flash flooding on the windward side).

essguy_ said:

No, it's not crappy. Could be improved but for it's main purpose (weather alerts) it's a very good system - especially for people travelling to Hawaii who may not be familiar with the localized nature of severe storms (eg: It might be sunny in Honolulu, but torrential rains and flash flooding on the windward side).

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Then maybe they need to divorce the systems. One for weather, one for nuclear obliteration.
I'm not going to care much if I accidentally think for 40 minutes that the park down the street is going to get flooded for a few days.
On the other hand...

apoptygma said:

Then maybe they need to divorce the systems. One for weather, one for nuclear obliteration.
I'm not going to care much if I accidentally think for 40 minutes that the park down the street is going to get flooded for a few days.
On the other hand...

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Might be a good idea. But who's going to pay for it? Most (or at least a rapidly growing number) of native Hawaiians will tell you that they'd rather go back to being a republic, so the cost of any ballistic warning system would be added to the cost for the U.S. to lease Pearl.

Frankfooter said:

Trump was playing golf and was notified that it was't a real test.
Didn't even take the time to tweet out to Hawaii that they didn't have to worry.
Total failure in his duties.

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He had a put to finish, it didn't involve Hillary ... why tweet ? Is it really the President's job to expedite the end of a 38 minute panic that missiles were on the way ? A tweet to help send them on the way would be more fun !

Politics aside, can you imagine hearing a 38 minute missile alert saying to prepare yourselves - this is not a drill ? I wonder if there was any 'what have I got to loose ?' crimes committed.

IM469 said:

He had a put to finish, it didn't involve Hillary ... why tweet ? Is it really the President's job to expedite the end of a 38 minute panic that missiles were on the way ? A tweet to help send them on the way would be more fun !

Politics aside, can you imagine hearing a 38 minute missile alert saying to prepare yourselves - this is not a drill ? I wonder if there was any 'what have I got to loose ?' crimes committed.

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Don't think I'd take it seriously.
Even if it was true there's not much you could do in 40 minutes, might as well carry on.