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What is a shithole country and are you from one?

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The President could have chose his words more wisely but the hard truth is that Haiti, all or almost all African and Muslim countries are 3rd world. That is why the wave of migration is from the south to the north and northwest. Turkey is on the list of OECD countries but it is now a virtual dictatorship.
http://www.oecd.org/about/membersandpartners/list-oecd-member-countries.htm

The "huddled masses" may have been appropriate in 1883 when the poem was written but this is 2018. Also, the selection process in 1883 was quite discriminatory. So, maybe the good old days of immigration weren't so good after all.
 

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People do get lazy when they use the word Africa, and end up using it incorrectly. As an example, on Obama's birth certificate, his father's race is listed as "African", despite the fact that there is no such race!

There are certainly differences between African countries. However, even African countries with the highest standard of living compared to the US are much worse places to live (on average).

As a point of reference, here is a quick HDI comparison: http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries

Here is a sorted list of HDI measurements for African countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

It's hard not to notice that the majority of African countries are classified as "low human development", unlike Norway, which has a higher HDI rating than even the US.

Seems Trump knew what he was talking about after all.
Well you may try and justify Trump's reasons for calling all of Africa a "shithole" nation, although he is denying it and a number of Republicans are acknowledging that it was a racist word.
But countries like China are probably cheering all the way to the bank, as they have now surpassed the USA as the biggest trade partner of any of the African countries.
They are loaning the African countries billions of dollars and are tapping into their valuable resources:

"Meanwhile, as the West looks on the Chinese are muscling in. Hungry for raw materials to fuel their own economic boom, the Chinese are befriending resource-rich but cash-poor governments. By being somewhat less demanding on human rights issues than western governments who prefer to tie aid deals to democratic reform, China is securing access to the increasing quantities of ores and oil it needs.

The figures speak for themselves. Chinese companies and an estimated one million Chinese workers have poured into Africa over the past decade. Between 2001 and 2010, China’s Export-Import Bank loaned almost US$63 billion to African countries, which was 25% more than the World Bank provided. Trade between Africa and China has grown tenfold, and China has replaced the United States as the continent’s biggest trading partner."

https://www.expatnetwork.com/living-working-africa/

This is one of the reasons I really toured around numerous African nations although most of their countries are considered as third world nations. If this is still considered a "Shithole" after you visit this link, then really no one knows the definition of "shithole"!!

https://www.africa.com/africas-top-10-travel-destinations/
 

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Well you may try and justify Trump's reasons for calling all of Africa a "shithole" nation, although he is denying it and a number of Republicans are acknowledging that it was a racist word.
But countries like China are probably cheering all the way to the bank, as they have now surpassed the USA as the biggest trade partner of any of the African countries.
They are loaning the African countries billions of dollars and are tapping into their valuable resources:

"Meanwhile, as the West looks on the Chinese are muscling in. Hungry for raw materials to fuel their own economic boom, the Chinese are befriending resource-rich but cash-poor governments. By being somewhat less demanding on human rights issues than western governments who prefer to tie aid deals to democratic reform, China is securing access to the increasing quantities of ores and oil it needs.

The figures speak for themselves. Chinese companies and an estimated one million Chinese workers have poured into Africa over the past decade. Between 2001 and 2010, China’s Export-Import Bank loaned almost US$63 billion to African countries, which was 25% more than the World Bank provided. Trade between Africa and China has grown tenfold, and China has replaced the United States as the continent’s biggest trading partner."

https://www.expatnetwork.com/living-working-africa/

This is one of the reasons I really toured around numerous African nations although most of their countries are considered as third world nations. If this is still considered a "Shithole" after you visit this link, then really no one knows the definition of "shithole"!!

https://www.africa.com/africas-top-10-travel-destinations/
So a nation that exploits another nations resources at the expense of human rights is now considered a good thing?

Sure let's all emulate communist China......

Do you actually read your links? With one article you just shredded any claims of being on higher ground.

By posting this article you just outed yourself as a supporter of exploitation of third wirld nations by a autocracy. By a non Democratic political system with aspirations of empire.

Way to Go!
 

bver_hunter

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So a nation that exploits another nations resources at the expense of human rights is now considered a good thing?

Sure let's all emulate communist China......

Do you actually read your links? With one article you just shredded any claims of being on higher ground.

By posting this article you just outed yourself as a supporter of exploitation of third wirld nations by a autocracy. By a non Democratic political system with aspirations of empire.

Way to Go!
Not saying that it is right, but did China create all the mess in Africa in the first place, or was it Europe that exploited it to the fullest extent in the first place. Does China have a good human rights record?? Why do the USA and the rest of the world want to do business with China, if they have a poor track record? Stop being hypocritical!!

You are telling me that Trump cares for human rights in other countries!! Hilarious.

I am just pointing out a fact, as the big American oil companies have big business interests in many African nations. Do they care about human rights or the environment??
 

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Yep, and proudly so. Growing up in one developed my resolve to deal with Trumps and Trumpanzees while I navigate a world they control
And somehow you made it out okay.
Good for you!!!
 

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I think what the Liberals actually have done is built a palace on borrowed money, teetering on the edge of a shithole.
Well then what would you call American the beautiful with trillions of debt? How the decision to use debt to advance policy priorities will only paly out 8-12 years into the future. As it is, the province now has a balanced budget and low unemployment. We shall see how it all pans out. Not a fan of everything that has been done, but some of the policy decisions I do support.
 

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Are you describing the USA per chance?
I was showing the hypocrisy in the article he posted. A few too many empires competing and turning places Into shitholes.
 

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Not saying that it is right, but did China create all the mess in Africa in the first place, or was it Europe that exploited it to the fullest extent in the first place. Does China have a good human rights record?? Why do the USA and the rest of the world want to do business with China, if they have a poor track record? Stop being hypocritical!!

You are telling me that Trump cares for human rights in other countries!! Hilarious.

I am just pointing out a fact, as the big American oil companies have big business interests in many African nations. Do they care about human rights or the environment??
Actually a non interference policy is quite a bit better than the previous policies.

If say the Clinton led Libya coup is a classic example of what happens.

Personally I think in some cases just like Europe in the previous century some factions need to work it out amongst themselves. Even if it means conflict.

The West is doing no favors intervening.
 

bver_hunter

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Actually a non interference policy is quite a bit better than the previous policies.

If say the Clinton led Libya coup is a classic example of what happens.

Personally I think in some cases just like Europe in the previous century some factions need to work it out amongst themselves. Even if it means conflict.

The West is doing no favors intervening.
Well there has been interference policies by the existing administration.

Yes, the biggest in modern times was the Bush intervention in Iraq, and the most classic example, since the interventions in Grenada, Chile, Vietnam and Cambodia.

But that has always been part of the USA strategic foreign policy: i.e. "in the best interests of the USA".

No doubt that some of the American Presidents must have had the freedom and democracy of those citizens in mind. But it has rarely played out that way.
 

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Actually a non interference policy is quite a bit better than the previous policies.

If say the Clinton led Libya coup is a classic example of what happens.
Interestingly, tying this to the shithole country discussion, Libya WAS one of the MOST DEVELOPED African countries prior to Clinton led destabilization. Now, it seems destined to sink back to the level of it's neighbours.
 

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Interestingly, tying this to the shithole country discussion, Libya WAS one of the MOST DEVELOPED African countries prior to Clinton led destabilization. Now, it seems destined to sink back to the level of it's neighbours.
Likewise, Iraq had the highest per capita income in the world before Reagan secretly supplied them with arms to overthrow the Iranian regime.
That was the start of the biggest mess in the Middle East as Hussein once an ally with the USA, then turned out to be the bad boy, once it was clear that the war against Iran was a stalemate. The Americans then decided to do what they regret at doing, just walk away and abandon their support for Iraq.
 

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Yep, and proudly so. Growing up in one developed my resolve to deal with Trumps and Trumpanzees while I navigate a world they control.
Well certainly. You could only flourish in a society of Trumpanzees. If you had remained in a shithole country, you'd have been forced into shithole status indefinitely.
 

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Let's not forget Ireland. In the 10 or so years after 1845, the population dropped by 25%. 1 million died of starvation, another million fled. They went on to police Boston and New York. Yes, Ireland was a shithole back then (albeit a very pretty one). Of course Trump, despite being of Germanic origins, would forget what Berlin looked like in 1945. That said, it is unproductive and displays neither class nor intelligence to describe them as "shitholes".
 

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Well certainly. You could only flourish in a society of Trumpanzees. If you had remained in a shithole country, you'd have been forced into shithole status indefinitely.
Shows how little you know. My family home in the shithole is worth well into seven figures. Quite a few Trumpanzees in the south couldn't afford it much less this shithole trailer parks they populate! My dad before he retired was a partner at PwC in said shithole. My mother, equally successful. My 30-odd-year-old sister (a doctor there and then in Canada) and I are educated, and were destined to be just fine in said shithole. We lived quite well. We didn't come to Canada with nothing. Further, we still own our home in said shithole...rented out to European dignitaries who now live there.

It would help if ignoramuses such as yourself would broaden your horizons before spouting off.

Not everyone from a shithole is beneath you. Tell that your buddies then the next time you gather for a bud (or a pint) to clown us.
 

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Shows how little you know. My family home in the shithole is worth well into seven figures. Quite a few Trumpanzees in the south couldn't afford it much less this shithole trailer parks they populate! My dad before he retired was a partner at PwC in said shithole. My mother, equally successful. My 30-odd-year-old sister (a doctor there and then in Canada) and I are educated, and were destined to be just fine in said shithole. We lived quite well. We didn't come to Canada with nothing. Further, we still own our home in said shithole...rented out to European dignitaries who now live there.

It would help if ignoramuses such as yourself would broaden your horizons before spouting off.

Not everyone from a shithole is beneath you. Tell that your buddies then the next time you gather for a bud (or a pint) to clown us.
Why did you leave the shithole for Canada? Better weather?
 

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I’m all the way with derrick78. I vacation for 1/4 of the year in one of those ‘shitholes,’ and I’ve spent a day at Mar-a-Lago. I won’t be back to Mar-a-Lago.

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This whole thing is crazy.

I imagine nobody is surprised he thinks this way.

But saying it out loud in-front of those senators... and then his Trumpsplanation??? Why didn’t he at-least go with ‘locker room talk?’ Purdue sounded like he was doing a toast to Donald Trump through CNN when he was denying it. Hopefully he convinced him, for whatever dumb reason, I certainly wasn’t convinced, I imagine few are.

Bet he wouldn’t have said it if Cory Booker was in the room.

Im also not surprised that Trump-nation still sides with him on whether or not he said it. Given their propensity for trutherism, I’m sure they think it’s all just part of the ongoing Democratic conspiracy to take down Trump through slandering of old’ Grabherpussy by labelling him a pottymouth who’s not super keen on countries like Haiti, El Salvador, Honduras, continents like Africa, and the people who come from them.
 
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Shows how little you know. My family home in the shithole is worth well into seven figures. Quite a few Trumpanzees in the south couldn't afford it much less this shithole trailer parks they populate! My dad before he retired was a partner at PwC in said shithole. My mother, equally successful. My 30-odd-year-old sister (a doctor there and then in Canada) and I are educated, and were destined to be just fine in said shithole. We lived quite well. We didn't come to Canada with nothing. Further, we still own our home in said shithole...rented out to European dignitaries who now live there.

It would help if ignoramuses such as yourself would broaden your horizons before spouting off.

Not everyone from a shithole is beneath you. Tell that your buddies then the next time you gather for a bud (or a pint) to clown us.
I think a pretty common feature of shithole countries is that nearly all the wealth which exists is concentrated among very few people. Every shithole country has its wealthy. However, that doesn't change the fact that when the living conditions for most people are terrible, it's a shithole country.

Shithole countries pose a number of challenges when it comes to sourcing immigrants. First of all, usually shithole governments don't invest much in reliable public records. That means that it may be hard to get reliable information on such basic matters as: age, criminal record, healthcare records, etc. Second, in a shithole economy, there tends to be low levels of employment and the labour pool tends to be unskilled. If a country is looking to increase its pool of skilled labour (either in specific skills, or more generally), shithole countries offer fewer of these types of immigrants. Three, often shithole countries operate under systems of graft where people are permitted (or "assisted") to immigrate based on payments to government officials. This is hardly a scenario which results in the "best" possible immigrants coming forward from these countries.

In summary, the fact that there are inevitably a small number of wealthy and/or educated/skilled persons in even the shittiest of shitholes doesn't alter the overall assessment of these countries as poor sources of immigrants (provided you aren't looking for unskilled workers in your economy, and you don't care about their background information).
 
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