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NYT - Time to say it: Trump is a racist

Frankfooter

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Trump's shithole comments are still resonating.

When it comes to President Trump and race, there is a predictable cycle. He makes a remark that seems racist, and people engage in an extended debate about whether he is personally racist. His critics say he is. His defenders argue for an interpretation in which race plays a secondary role (such as: Haiti really is a worse place to live than Norway).

It’s time to end this cycle.

No one except Trump can know what Trump’s private thoughts or motivations are. But the public record and his behavior are now abundantly clear. Donald Trump treats black people and Latinos differently than he treats white people.

And that makes him a racist.

Is it possible to defend some of his racially charged statements by pointing out that something other than race might explain them? Sure. Is it possible that he doesn’t think of himself as a racist who views white people as superior to nonwhite people? Yes.

But the definition of a racist — the textbook definition, as Paul Ryan might say — is someone who treats some people better than others because of their race. Trump fits that definition many times over:

• Trump’s real-estate company was sued twice by the federal government in the 1970s for discouraging the renting of apartments to African-Americans and preferring white tenants, such as “Jews and executives.”

• In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he continued to argue that they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.

• He spent years claiming that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Africa, an outright lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.

• He began his 2016 presidential campaign by disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”

• He has retweeted white nationalists without apology.

• He frequently criticizes prominent African-Americans for being unpatriotic, ungrateful and disrespectful.

• He called some of those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville last August “very fine people.”

• He is quick to highlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimes exaggerating or lying about it (such as a claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed against dark-skinned people (such as the murder of an Indian man in Kansas last year).

• At the White House yesterday, Trump vulgarly called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway.

If you think this list is incomplete, email me at Leonhardt@nytimes.com.

For more on this topic, read my colleague Nick Kristof wrestling with the topic during the 2016 campaign: “Here we have a man who for more than four decades has been repeatedly associated with racial discrimination or bigoted comments about minorities,” he wrote. “While any one episode may be ambiguous, what emerges over more than four decades is a narrative arc, a consistent pattern — and I don’t see what else to call it but racism.”

And Slate’s Jamelle Bouie: “It’s impossible to know what’s in his heart. But what Trump feels is less important than what he does.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/opinion/trump-racist.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&assetType=opinion
 

jcpro

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Is that news? The NYT said that about Trump last year and the year before that. They covered him for decades and fail to notice such fatal flaw, so consider the source.
 

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Is that news? The NYT said that about Trump last year and the year before that. They covered him for decades and fail to notice such fatal flaw, so consider the source.
You mean you've known him to be racist for years and you still support him?
 

jcpro

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You mean you've known him to be racist for years and you still support him?
If the NYT says he's racist, I'm comfortable in my conclusion that he is not. I'm a WSJ subscriber myself.
 

HungSowel

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and yet none of you speak up when i was repeatedly called a racial slut by yung dood and company a few months ago
I remember someone calling you racial slurs, but that was maybe 2-3 years ago, not months ago. People spoke out, I spoke out. However in hindsight, seeing as you seem to use it as a tool to paint the narrative you want, saying no one spoke up because you want to support racist trump, perhaps it was best if no one spoke out.

Edit: I think my username during that was different than it is now, I got my earlier username banned because I kept calling frankfooter a retard for posting misleading graphs in his support of AGW.
 

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I remember someone calling you racial slurs, but that was maybe 2-3 years ago, not months ago. People spoke out, I spoke out. However in hindsight, seeing as you seem to use it as a tool to paint the narrative you want, saying no one spoke up because you want to support racist trump, perhaps it was best if no one spoke out.

Edit: I think my username during that was different than it is now, I got my earlier username banned because I kept calling frankfooter a retard for posting misleading graphs in his support of AGW.
for 2-3 years the same ones that use racial slurs where stalking me because they didn't like videos i posted in a sexodus thread. they stopped in 2017 after i reported them to mods for their stalking and use of racial slurs
 

bver_hunter

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Now Trump is denying that he mentioned the S***Hole term. He is not only a racist, but a blatant liar. Period!!
 

toguy5252

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Until now I was prepared to believe that he was not a racist but rather that he appealed to racists. I am now drawn to the inescapable conclusion that he is a racist. Sad.
 

apoptygma

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Until now I was prepared to believe that he was not a racist but rather that he appealed to racists. I am now drawn to the inescapable conclusion that he is a racist. Sad.
He must have been crawling out of his skin during the MLK commemoration this morning.
He couldn't get out of that room fast enough... I think I saw flames on the carpet.
 

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He’s not a racist, he’s massively undisciplined.

Actually Haiti, an island with 10m people and no sanitation system is literally a shithole (like India) but that wasn’t the point. Why import poor unskilled labor vs use a merit based system.
 

apoptygma

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He’s not a racist, he’s massively undisciplined.

Actually Haiti, an island with 10m people and no sanitation system is literally a shithole (like India) but that wasn’t the point. Why import poor unskilled labor vs use a merit based system.
And welcome all those Norwegian immigrants that are just beating down the door to get into the only first world shithole?
 

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Trump is right and many people have been wondering the same thing for many years now. Problem is you can't open up a reasonable debate with the ultra radical left wing about immigration reform without them first calling you a racist, then escalating to calling you a white supremacist, and ultimately a Nazi KKK member. It's their classic playbook and literally all they have.

And if you're not white and try to have the same debate then they call you a traitor to your own kind (black or brown people?) or an Uncle Tom or something of the like.
 

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And welcome all those Norwegian immigrants that are just beating down the door to get into the only first world shithole?
And a few Asians.... 20% of the worlds migrants do move to the US.
 

toguy5252

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He’s not a racist, he’s massively undisciplined.

Actually Haiti, an island with 10m people and no sanitation system is literally a shithole (like India) but that wasn’t the point. Why import poor unskilled labor vs use a merit based system.
So calling Haiti etc a shithole is Trumpspeak for we want highly skilled workers. Nice try. So you you then he is not a racist he is a moron who cannot articulate his thoughts and need you and his surrogates to translate.
 

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Whether he's racist or not the one fact is: He's a fucking idiot. What should have been a great week for him has been derailed because he's like a child with no filter. He is his own worst enemy. The only good thing for Trump is that people have become so accustomed to stupidity out of his office and Twitter feed, that it no longer poses any surprises or additional risk. He's being handled and being kept away from sharp objects by the adults in the GOP, and so long as they can control him like a GOP swamp puppet, it doesn't really matter when the only buttons he has access to are on his phone.
 

bver_hunter

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Trump is right and many people have been wondering the same thing for many years now. Problem is you can't open up a reasonable debate with the ultra radical left wing about immigration reform without them first calling you a racist, then escalating to calling you a white supremacist, and ultimately a Nazi KKK member. It's their classic playbook and literally all they have.

And if you're not white and try to have the same debate then they call you a traitor to your own kind (black or brown people?) or an Uncle Tom or something of the like.
You have no problem calling everyone who are not Trump supporters, "Ultra Radical Left Wing", but take issue when they hit back and call you "White Supremacist", "Nazi KKK Member". Really??
So you are saying that Trump is "right"!! For what, using the word "S***holes", or now denying the he used that word?
 
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