Saw this one today..

Well that certainly blows, FTWWTF, and certainly not in the good way.

I know we all tend to think with the little head in these situations, but we really should get up and walk out with full refund for failure to provided services agreed to.

Cheers

That sucks man thanks for the review. I had a similar if not worse experience with another girl few days ago.

http://toronto.backpage.ca/FemaleEs...bshell-tight-tasty-and-ready-to-play/43340087

Pics are real infact she looks 10x better in person. Pretty friendly and polite as well. Its a shame though lied about services to get me there, then gave an over the top beyond mechanical cbj with a horrible fs finish.

She uses fake pictures, and you still believe what she says afterwards?

countrylover said:

How would you suggest getting that refund without causing a scene?

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Money after the deed. Especially if the pics are not hers.

Worf said:

Money after the deed. Especially if the pics are not hers.

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Girls like this always want money upfront

Money on the table by the door. Stays there until after you leave and the session went properly. That is my suggestion. It makes it equally safe for both parties. Just my opinion. If the SP doesn't like that idea, then you can and should walk right then and there.

Jessica Rain said:

Money on the table by the door. Stays there until after you leave and the session went properly. That is my suggestion. It makes it equally safe for both parties. Just my opinion. If the SP doesn't like that idea, then you can and should walk right then and there.

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Probably the more sensible suggestion I've heard on this issue.

Cheers

Jessica Rain said:

Money on the table by the door. Stays there until after you leave and the session went properly. That is my suggestion. It makes it equally safe for both parties. Just my opinion. If the SP doesn't like that idea, then you can and should walk right then and there.

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The problem with that is that it gives people the opportunity to walk off with it. Just the idea that someone would want the money in plain sight would be a red flag for me. It doesn't happen often but some guys do try to say that an escort agreed to some ridiculous price and only brought that amount with them. It's always some amount no one would ever agree to. It's happened where guys have walked off with the money on other escorts. I had a girl get ripped off $1000 when she agreed to get the money after and the guy left when she was sleeping (it was an overnight). A guy walked off with a girls phone and that's way worse than stealing money. I've had jewelry go missing. It's not a realistic expectation to ask a woman to leave the money on the table. She's going to think something is fishy. Typically, we collect the money and hide it somewhere safe. If someone wants to assault us or get rough with us at least they can't take off with the $$ or get an entire session for free when they run out the door with the cash. I think a good escort will just hand you back the money. The type of girl that would agree to leave the money on the table is either new, or desperate and willing to do whatever you ask and probably doesn't realise that you can't trust everyone you meet through this business. There are lots of guys that are just as big of scammers as some of the girls on BP. It really goes both ways.

I'm not saying anything about you Jessica, I'm just saying that everything works great until it doesn't. One day you could get ripped off or your best friend will get ripped off and you'll have to change your policy. Or you could keep doing it the same way and run the risk of it happening again.

I agree with cinnamon

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The problem with that is that it gives people the opportunity to walk off with it. Just the idea that someone would want the money in plain sight would be a red flag for me. It doesn't happen often but some guys do try to say that an escort agreed to some ridiculous price and only brought that amount with them. It's always some amount no one would ever agree to. It's happened where guys have walked off with the money on other escorts. I had a girl get ripped off $1000 when she agreed to get the money after and the guy left when she was sleeping (it was an overnight). A guy walked off with a girls phone and that's way worse than stealing money. I've had jewelry go missing. It's not a realistic expectation to ask a woman to leave the money on the table. She's going to think something is fishy. Typically, we collect the money and hide it somewhere safe. If someone wants to assault us or get rough with us at least they can't take off with the $$ or get an entire session for free when they run out the door with the cash. I think a good escort will just hand you back the money. The type of girl that would agree to leave the money on the table is either new, or desperate and willing to do whatever you ask and probably doesn't realise that you can't trust everyone you meet through this business. There are lots of guys that are just as big of scammers as some of the girls on BP. It really goes both ways.

I'm not saying anything about you Jessica, I'm just saying that everything works great until it doesn't. One day you could get ripped off or your best friend will get ripped off and you'll have to change your policy. Or you could keep doing it the same way and run the risk of it happening again.

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Agreed on so many levels! Always made upfront, and always put away in a safe place. I am very clear about what I offer and do not offer tho so there is absolutely no miscommunication. I would never leave it on the table tho! One of my girlfriends had it hidden in the drawer and the guy still stole it back and took off.. like Sinnamon said, it goes both ways. Both clients and providers can be shady. Shitty people ruin it for the good, thats just the way of the world.

Ladies,

I understand your points. It is not that I don't. I do.

It is simply not something that I have experienced. I don't have clients come to my house that I have not vetted. So my clients have already seen and been verified by other SPs.

Take the OP for example. He has a clear posting history, and with a real name, number and another escort or two verifying he is a safe, respectful client who always pays, always clean and always on time - I am not going to have a problem with him leaving the money by the table. Some extra screening at the beginning goes a long way.

I am also very clear on my services and don't change them out.

As you both have said, shitty people have made things worse for others. In this case, too many ladies have ripped off clients. We can all agree on that. I would go as far as saying there are more men ripped offed in BP service switch scams in a day, then women bringing ripped off with a guy taking his money back.

So for them, leaving the money in an open spot is the safest option for them while ensuring both get what they are looking for. So while it goes both ways, so should there be ways for both sides to be safe. My suggestion is one for the guys. Better to have the money in plain sight than some of these guys who will refuse to pay at all until after the appointment.

Besides, it gives both parties the chance to say yes or no to the appointment. For you ladies, you would say no and the guy could leave. No harm, no foul.

For you ladies, I will say this much. Do not hide you clients cash with any other cash in the house until after he leaves. If a guy is coming to rob you, which seems like the case for the stories posted, don't put it with where there is more money. That person only knows for sure that you have their money. They assume about the rest. You can save yourselves some if you hide your money in different places.

I will say, I can't see any client that I see personally, EVER risking never being able to see me again, simply to take his cash back. I am not saying I don't believe it, I do. I just know none of my clients would take that risk. Again, screening is one of my most valuable tools in my arsenal. I would rather screen and take fewer appointments and clients, then risk for myself, a greater chance of meeting some of the men you two have described.

GL and here is to a safer 2018 for both sides of the industry.

This is a great discussion. Luckily for me, I haven't ever been formally robbed or ripped off by an SP (but I have been ripped off hobbying, see my latest started thread) so my input may be moot here because I'm an avoider when it comes to confrontation. I just run with whatever the SP wants - and I've experienced them all.

- SP wants the money at the door before I take my shoes off
- SP wants money after we've chatted for a bit (perhaps she's feeling me out)
- SP counts the money after I hand it to her
- SP doesn't count the money
- SP puts the money on top of the dresser
- SP puts money in the dresser
- I have no idea where the SP put the money

And my personal favourite...

- SP totally forgets about the money and we have a good laugh about it as I'm heading out the door because it's usually me reminding her and not the other way around.


EDIT: To add, I've never been "formally" ripped off but I have had experience where I've felt half ripped off. Like when I paid for FS but the SP was unable to perform and I only got a BJ. Should have been given half a refund for that but nope.