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p.s. Even if Israeli settlements are a crime, the people living there are CIVILIANS and not valid targets like you claim.
 

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p.s. Even if Israeli settlements are a crime, the people living there are CIVILIANS and not valid targets like you claim.
They asked Adolph Eichmann to explain this. One of the guys who caught him asked how could he murder children, how could he have murdered his kid brother? Does he hate kids? No, he answered, I love kids. But, my brother was just a kid, too. Yeah, but he was a Jew was Eichmann's explanation. This is the same mentality that Palestinians embraced and their apologists among us.
 

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They asked Adolph Eichmann to explain this. One of the guys who caught him asked how could he murder children, how could he have murdered his kid brother? Does he hate kids? No, he answered, I love kids. But, my brother was just a kid, too. Yeah, but he was a Jew was Eichmann's explanation. This is the same mentality that Palestinians embraced and their apologists among us.
And also embraced by a too great a percentage of the UN's membership.
 

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Of course it is. The fact that you see Jews as trespassers
The UN says the settlements are illegal.
United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Nickolay Mladenov, said on Thursday that Israeli settlement construction in the occupied West Bank is illegal and a major obstacle to peace.

“In the aftermath of the decision to advance over 1,000 housing units in the occupied West Bank, I reiterate that Israeli settlement construction is illegal under international law and is one of the major obstacles to peace," said Mladenov in a statement. "I urge the Israeli authorities to cease and reverse such actions."
Transfer of a population is a war crime according to the Geneva Conventions, so not only are they trespassers since neither Israel nor they own the land, their presence on that land is an actual war crime.
How much of a blowhard to you have to be to try to claim that implementing international law is 'racist'?
 

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p.s. Even if Israeli settlements are a crime, the people living there are CIVILIANS and not valid targets like you claim.
Even if they are civilians, they are still trespassing and committing a war crime by trying to live in the Occupied Territories.
They are there illegally and have no rights to stay there.
Recently, a senior Knesset committee was reportedly warned, as part of a secret briefing, that 2018 could see the International Criminal Court (ICC) move from the preliminary examination phase into formal investigations of the 2014 Gaza war and West Bank settlements.

While much of the analysis about the ICC's examination of potential war crimes in the state of Palestine focused on atrocities committed in the Gaza in the 2014 war, it is the settlement enterprise in the West Bank and East Jerusalem that may well be Israel's undoing

When, or if, that happens, it will put the focus squarely on those Israeli state bodies and officials responsible for the settlement enterprise. No wonder the ICC is seen as a strategic threat.

In the latest update published last month, the ICC's Office of the Prosecutor (OTP) made clear that with respect to the situation in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, it has "focused its analysis on settlement-related activities", a category that includes the "displacement of Palestinian residents".

The document noted how "the Israeli authorities have allegedly been involved in the settlement of civilians onto the territory of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the forced removal of Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem".

The "allegedly", of course, is part of the legal protocol. No one disputes these activities have been taking place – indeed, the Israeli government boasts about it.

The OTP went on to note various forms of settlement-related activities, including land confiscation, the "planning and authorisation of settlement expansions", construction of "residential units and related infrastructures", and retroactive authorisation of outposts.

Other activities included "public subsidies, incentives and funding specifically allocated to settlers and settlements' local authorities to encourage migration to the settlements and boost their economic development". In other words, systematic, across-the-board, state-level involvement.


Thus, while much of the analysis about the ICC's examination of potential war crimes in the state of Palestine has focused on atrocities committed in the Gaza Strip in summer 2014, it is the settlement enterprise in the West Bank and East Jerusalem that may well be Israel's undoing.

As Human Rights Watch noted, when Palestine formally joined the ICC in 2015, the Rome Statute "classifies as a war crime an occupying power's transfer of its own civilians 'directly or indirectly' into territory it occupies".

It was the inclusion of this article that meant Israel "decided not to ratify the statute or become a member of the ICC". Ahead of Palestine joining the ICC, Israeli legal expert Aeyal Gross observed how Israel would not have a leg to stand on if and when the court considered the settlement enterprise.

It is vital that the Israeli government and complicit institutions face the consequences for a flagrantly, unashamedly criminal policy

"Since the establishment of the settlements was based on cabinet decisions and with Israeli government funding, it would be difficult to argue that the policy has not involved a transfer of population by the state," he wrote.

Additionally, "a finding that the court does not have jurisdiction if the relevant state has investigated a matter itself would also not be relevant here inasmuch as it involves government policy".

Finally, the "scope and duration of the settlement enterprise, along with its concomitant deprivation of the Palestinian right to self-determination" would likely be seen as meeting “the requirement that the court deal only with particularly grave matters", Gross explained.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/israeli-settlement-project-war-crime-620679332
 

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Even if they are civilians, they are still trespassing and committing a war crime by trying to live in the Occupied Territories.
They are there illegally and have no rights to stay there....
Your justifications of attacks on civilians is disgusting.

Even Amnesty is clear settlers (such as the rabbi murdered last week - with you refusing to comment on it) are civilians.

Even your favourite Israeli paper agrees that you are an apologist for terror.
If You Can't Say Israeli Settlers Are Civilians Too, You're Propping Up Apologists for Terror
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.803138
 

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The UN says the settlements are illegal.


Transfer of a population is a war crime according to the Geneva Conventions, so not only are they trespassers since neither Israel nor they own the land, their presence on that land is an actual war crime.
How much of a blowhard to you have to be to try to claim that implementing international law is 'racist'?
How much of a racist to you have to be to justify attacks on civilians just because they are Jews?
 

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Your justifications of attacks on civilians is disgusting.

Even Amnesty is clear settlers (such as the rabbi murdered last week - with you refusing to comment on it) are civilians.
(qualifier - the following is based on what I've read on war crimes, if anyone has any real expertise please comment)

Stating that all settlers are committing war crimes by living in illegal settlements is not 'justifying war crimes' any more then its 'anti-semitism'.
You really are getting out of control.

You keep claiming that these people who have no rights to be where they are somehow also have the right to defend themselves from those who's land they are taking while simultaneously denying that land to those who live there by force.

Its like if smallcock broke into your house, threw your stuff on the lawn and then claimed it as his and claimed you have no right to attack him and he has full rights to defend himself against your 'aggressive behaviour'. Its a really messed up claim morally.

The UN, ICJ and ICC have all stated that all settlements are illegal, which makes every settler a squatter.
The only ones with a legal leg to stand on, in the international courts of law, will not be those who are trying to steal someone else's land at the point of a gun.

The Israeli settlement project is a war crime
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/israeli-settlement-project-war-crime-620679332

Targeting civilians is a war crime, but so is stealing their land through colonization and war, which is listed as a grave war crime.
You can't claim self defence when you are committing a war crime by force (IDF), so while Israeli civilians shouldn't be attacked they have no international rights to defend themselves while actively committing war crimes.

The law is pretty clear here.

Even Israel knows these charges are coming.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/natio...id-to-warn-of-full-icc-investigation-in-2018/

You defend those war crimes you continue to defend the Gaza death camp, where Israel is reporting its near collapse.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.834947
 

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(qualifier - the following is based on what I've read on war crimes, if anyone has any real expertise please comment)
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Your justification of attacks on settlers flies in the face of the organizations you quote when they criticize Israel. Amnesty and similar organizations consider settlers to be civilians and attacks on them to be terrorism but you are happy to parrot the excuses Hamas gives. The fact that you agree with the excuses of terrorists says something is really wrong with you.
 

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Your justification of attacks on settlers flies in the face of the organizations you quote when they criticize Israel. Amnesty and similar organizations consider settlers to be civilians and attacks on them to be terrorism but you are happy to parrot the excuses Hamas gives. The fact that you agree with the excuses of terrorists says something is really wrong with you.
You are the one justifying attacks on Palestinian civilians by claiming both that they have no rights to self defence and that only Israeli settlers are the ones with these rights, despite them actively committing war crimes against Palestinians.

Amnesty is just now debating whether Israel is apartheid internally.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/amnesty-international-pledges-take-israel-apartheid/234786/

Israel is now barring NGO's from entering to keep them from reporting on apartheid, including Amnesty.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-ban-on-20-foreign-ngos-over-boycott-movement

Amnesty also supports banning Israeli products from settlements.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-re...orts-illegal-israeli-settlements-new-campaign

Amnesty calls for Israel to stop their excessive violence.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/amnes...ethal-violence-palestinian-protesters/235849/

Amnesty also calls for the release of Ahed Tamimi
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...ase-teenage-palestinian-activist-ahed-tamimi/


You should do your homework before you quote Amnesty.
 

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You are the one justifying attacks on Palestinian civilians ....
You are a disgusting liar. Your posts outright call say settlers are legitimate targets and your only defense is lying about what other people say. And no, 'self defense' does not mean attacking Jews for driving, walking, or living in the West Bank; that is terrorism.

Even your Hamas heroes must laugh at how pathetic your claims are.

You should do your homework before you quote Amnesty.
Does that mean you agree with Amnesty that settlers are civilians?
 

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You are a disgusting liar.
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Does that mean you agree with Amnesty that settlers are civilians?
I love your accusations as they show how weak your hand is.
You can't offer honest arguments and even your accusations are so weak that you can't offer specifics or evidence to back them up.
Instead its 'you are a liar', but you can't say about what or prove it.
Sad.

We can talk about Amnesty's position on Israeli settlers as soon as you also back all their other statements.
Fair?

Go read through those Amnesty statements and tell me you agree with all of them, then its worth seeing about yours.
First we need to establish that you accept their findings as legit.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...n-in-history&p=6030120&viewfull=1#post6030120
 

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I love your accusations as they show how weak your hand is.
You can't offer honest arguments and even your accusations are so weak that you can't offer specifics or evidence to back them up....
Just shows you don't actually read my posts (or for that matter read your own).

BTW. The terror attack that you refuse to discuss, the one that was praised by Hamas) was likely a Hamas operation as one of the terrorists has been identified as the son of a major Hamas commander.
 

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Go read through those Amnesty statements and tell me you agree with all of them, then its worth seeing about yours.
First we need to establish that you accept their findings as legit....
Seems you refuse to live up to your own standards because you disagree with Amnesty about Gaza terror rockets and settlers being civilians.
 

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Seems you refuse to live up to your own standards because you disagree with Amnesty about Gaza terror rockets and settlers being civilians.
Glad to hear that your standards are higher and you accept the findings of Amnesty.
Which means you accept that boycotting or BDS, is legit and justified.
That Israel needs to stop their excessive violence and the blockade.
And that Israel should release Ahed Tamimi.

You do support all those findings, correct?
 

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Glad to hear that your standards are higher and you accept the findings of Amnesty....
You obviously don't, otherwise you wouldn't be justifying attacks on settlers and Gaza terror rockets.

Since you don't even listen to them, I suggest they are no longer considered a a topic for conversation.
 

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You obviously don't, otherwise you wouldn't be justifying attacks on settlers and Gaza terror rockets.

Since you don't even listen to them, I suggest they are no longer considered a a topic for conversation.
I don't justify attacking civilians, don't be ridiculous.
And I see you're already squirming away from backing Amnesty statements.
So sad.
 

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I don't justify attacking civilians, don't be ridiculous.
And I see you're already squirming away from backing Amnesty statements.
So sad.
You keep quoting Amnesty but have repeatedly justified attacks on people who Amnesty says are civilians. Obviously you don't give a shit about Amnesty or human rights except where you can use them you justify the destruction of Israel.
 

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Glad to hear that your standards are higher and you accept the findings of Amnesty.
Which means you accept that boycotting or BDS, is legit and justified.
That Israel needs to stop their excessive violence and the blockade.
And that Israel should release Ahed Tamimi.

You do support all those findings, correct?
Your statements have no basis in reality.

You keep quoting Amnesty but then refuse to listen to what they say when they actually criticize the Palestinian terrorism you support.
Boycott who you want. I think there are far more worthy countries to boycott such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, and China but you don't care about rights, only Israel's destruction. The BDS movement is also a sham as it excuses Palestinians and Arab states for things far worse than what it criticizes Israel for and pretends to push for a solution that the Palestinians who founded it detest.
Israel should continue to defend its people from terror groups like Hamas and the regular attacks that Israelis face and I have no problem with Tamini kid being held in custody until her assault charges are dealt with. Why do you think Palestinians should be allowed to assault Israelis and get away with it?
 
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