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What does the new FCC ruling in the USA mean for Canada and terb?

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I can see small ebay businesses going to have a tough time. Can you imagine Verizon wanting a 5% of your ebay sales or they will remove all your ebay listings. WTF!!!
 

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it's just fear mongering. any ISP censoring websites and asking to pay extra to read it will lose costumers. Facebook, twitter, google and other tech companies that support net neutrality are hypocrites. they themselves censor conservative contents, ban people who don't violate their terms of service, etc


http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/17/the-hypocritical-dishonesty-of-the-net-neutrality-campaign/

http://thedeepstate.com/net-neutrality-hypocrisy-runs-amok/



Advocates say that the net neutrality rules are necessary to keep the web free from censorship, throttling, and extra fees.

So what explains the nonreaction among these groups when it’s giant companies like Google, Apple or Facebook that are doing the censoring?

Such incidents of censorship are starting to pile up.

In July, Google announced an update to its search algorithm that it said would help screen out what Google has determined is “blatantly misleading, low quality, offensive or downright false information.” The World Socialist website says its traffic from Google dropped 70% after the change.

In early August, YouTube announced that it would quarantine videos that it decided contained “controversial religious or supremacist content,” even though the videos didn’t violate YouTube’s terms of service. The videos would remain on the site, the company said, but “won’t be recommended, won’t be monetized, and won’t have key features including comments, suggested videos, and likes.”

Shortly after, several conservatives complained that their videos had been “demonetized” by YouTube.

Around the same time, Wired ran an article complaining that “LGBTQ people’s posts have been blocked (by Facebook) recently for using words like ‘dyke,’ ‘fag,’ or ‘tranny’ to describe ourselves and our communities.” The authors said it amounted to “a form of censorship.”

Apple Pay pulled support from websites that sell white supremacist merchandise. PayPal and crowdfunding sites did likewise.

While censoring white supremacists might seem like a reasonable decision for an internet company, there’s a very slippery slope here.

As the Electronic Frontier Foundation put it, “any tactic used now to silence neo-Nazis will soon be used against others, including people whose opinions we agree with.”
 

glamphotographer

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I can imagine the porn industry going to take a hit for this not that the porn industry hasn't already.
 

glamphotographer

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is this american only? i was told its american only and not included in canada
This is in the States but with Conservative government in Canada (thank god we don't have for now) Canada CRTC may do the same thing. All it takes is the religious right in Canada to do the same and terb will be shut down or censored.
 

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it's just fear mongering. any ISP censoring websites and asking to pay extra to read it will lose costumers. Facebook, twitter, google and other tech companies that support net neutrality are hypocrites. they themselves censor conservative contents, ban people who don't violate their terms of service, etc


http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/17/the-hypocritical-dishonesty-of-the-net-neutrality-campaign/

http://thedeepstate.com/net-neutrality-hypocrisy-runs-amok/



Advocates say that the net neutrality rules are necessary to keep the web free from censorship, throttling, and extra fees.

So what explains the nonreaction among these groups when it’s giant companies like Google, Apple or Facebook that are doing the censoring?
Do you only troll the dregs of the internet for your facts ?

Net neutrality gives you freedom of choice. You don't like Google censoring - use Bling or maybe a new upstart. Yahoo was the number one search engine until Google started up. Yahoo made money from positioning and results weren't the best. Google came along and because of performance rapidly became bigger than Yahoo. In the new Trump 'big business screws the little guy' internet world, Yahoo could pay the ISP to slow Google or even eliminate them from your service. How the fuck is that good for users ?

If you need a better understanding what is involved:

The internet is the last bastion of freedom - but allowing company's to decide and regulate content to users will end that. Even you would suffer as these dark dregs of conspiracy information will probably disappear.
 

Butler1000

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This is in the States but with Conservative government in Canada (thank god we don't have for now) Canada CRTC may do the same thing. All it takes is the religious right in Canada to do the same and terb will be shut down or censored.
Actually the conservatives are on record supporting neutrality. And the CRTC is a non partisan body. The FCC is partisan.

So no it won't happen here.
 

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Do you only troll the dregs of the internet for your facts ?

Net neutrality gives you freedom of choice. You don't like Google censoring - use Bling or maybe a new upstart. Yahoo was the number one search engine until Google started up. Yahoo made money from positioning and results weren't the best. Google came along and because of performance rapidly became bigger than Yahoo. In the new Trump 'big business screws the little guy' internet world, Yahoo could pay the ISP to slow Google or even eliminate them from your service. How the fuck is that good for users ?

If you need a better understanding what is involved:

The internet is the last bastion of freedom - but allowing company's to decide and regulate content to users will end that. Even you would suffer as these dark dregs of conspiracy information will probably disappear.
trolling the dregs is questioning the propaganda presented by the mainstream media why are you afraid to question the stuff you read and hear. you lack critical thinking skills

all you are doing is repeating the same fear mongering claim by net neutrality propagandists without questioning. There are anti-trust laws to stop companies like Yahoo from paying ISPs to slow down other sites like Google. the internet was already free before net neutrality and will continue to be free. the internet is like the wild west where nobody is controlling it.
 

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I just read the article and am no expert but this is my take

I can see small ebay businesses going to have a tough time. Can you imagine Verizon wanting a 5% of your ebay sales or they will remove all your ebay listings. WTF!!!
It seems all of ebay would be affected, not just individuals. Worst case bump up prices 5% (I know this is bad but that's what most would do).

it's just fear mongering. any ISP censoring websites and asking to pay extra to read it will lose costumers. Facebook, twitter, google and other tech companies that support net neutrality are hypocrites. they themselves censor conservative contents, ban people who don't violate their terms of service, etc


http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/17/the-hypocritical-dishonesty-of-the-net-neutrality-campaign/

http://thedeepstate.com/net-neutrality-hypocrisy-runs-amok/



Advocates say that the net neutrality rules are necessary to keep the web free from censorship, throttling, and extra fees.

So what explains the nonreaction among these groups when it’s giant companies like Google, Apple or Facebook that are doing the censoring?

Such incidents of censorship are starting to pile up.

In July, Google announced an update to its search algorithm that it said would help screen out what Google has determined is “blatantly misleading, low quality, offensive or downright false information.” The World Socialist website says its traffic from Google dropped 70% after the change.

In early August, YouTube announced that it would quarantine videos that it decided contained “controversial religious or supremacist content,” even though the videos didn’t violate YouTube’s terms of service. The videos would remain on the site, the company said, but “won’t be recommended, won’t be monetized, and won’t have key features including comments, suggested videos, and likes.”

Shortly after, several conservatives complained that their videos had been “demonetized” by YouTube.

Around the same time, Wired ran an article complaining that “LGBTQ people’s posts have been blocked (by Facebook) recently for using words like ‘dyke,’ ‘fag,’ or ‘tranny’ to describe ourselves and our communities.” The authors said it amounted to “a form of censorship.”

Apple Pay pulled support from websites that sell white supremacist merchandise. PayPal and crowdfunding sites did likewise.

While censoring white supremacists might seem like a reasonable decision for an internet company, there’s a very slippery slope here.

As the Electronic Frontier Foundation put it, “any tactic used now to silence neo-Nazis will soon be used against others, including people whose opinions we agree with.”
I have no issue with censorship of certain sites/videos. Don't give racists a forum to post.

Do you only troll the dregs of the internet for your facts ?

Net neutrality gives you freedom of choice. You don't like Google censoring - use Bling or maybe a new upstart. Yahoo was the number one search engine until Google started up. Yahoo made money from positioning and results weren't the best. Google came along and because of performance rapidly became bigger than Yahoo. In the new Trump 'big business screws the little guy' internet world, Yahoo could pay the ISP to slow Google or even eliminate them from your service. How the fuck is that good for users ?

If you need a better understanding what is involved:

The internet is the last bastion of freedom - but allowing company's to decide and regulate content to users will end that. Even you would suffer as these dark dregs of conspiracy information will probably disappear.
agreed
 

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is this american only? i was told its american only and not included in canada
While we still have net neutrality in Canada, it'll stick affect Canadians wanting to access American content. FYI, there's a lot of American content.

it's just fear mongering. any ISP censoring websites and asking to pay extra to read it will lose costumers. Facebook, twitter, google and other tech companies that support net neutrality are hypocrites. they themselves censor conservative contents, ban people who don't violate their terms of service, etc
You say it's fearmongering, then launch into a huge post about other companies, who aren't restricted by similar regulation to net neutrality, behaving badly because they can. Put two and two together CM.
 

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Do you only troll the dregs of the internet for your facts ?

Net neutrality gives you freedom of choice. You don't like Google censoring - use Bling or maybe a new upstart. Yahoo was the number one search engine until Google started up. Yahoo made money from positioning and results weren't the best. Google came along and because of performance rapidly became bigger than Yahoo. In the new Trump 'big business screws the little guy' internet world, Yahoo could pay the ISP to slow Google or even eliminate them from your service. How the fuck is that good for users ?

If you need a better understanding what is involved:

The internet is the last bastion of freedom - but allowing company's to decide and regulate content to users will end that. Even you would suffer as these dark dregs of conspiracy information will probably disappear.
John Oliver rocks.

Great explanation.
 

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While we still have net neutrality in Canada, it'll stick affect Canadians wanting to access American content. FYI, there's a lot of American content.



You say it's fearmongering, then launch into a huge post about other companies, who aren't restricted by similar regulation to net neutrality, behaving badly because they can. Put two and two together CM.
it is fearmongering. the companies that support net neutrality are the same ones engaging in censorship. the internet was fine before net neutrality
 

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it is fearmongering. the companies that support net neutrality are the same ones engaging in censorship. the internet was fine before net neutrality
You're off base here.

Supporters of net neutrality are against censorship.
 

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it is fearmongering. the companies that support net neutrality are the same ones engaging in censorship. the internet was fine before net neutrality
sadly enough, giant tech companies such as Facebook, Google, Netflix, and Amazon, will have more control/speed over data/internet content. Until then, we'll wait for Uncle Sam to fuck us

 

canada-man

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You're off base here.

Supporters of net neutrality are against censorship.
so where where they silent when google was hiding search results, facebook deleting conservative content, twitter shadow banning members etc
 

Frankfooter

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so where where they silent when google was hiding search results, facebook deleting conservative content, twitter shadow banning members etc
Probably what they want is personal control over those items, and not to allow ISP's to throttle companies or services at will.
So they've been arguing for net neutrality.
By the way, if by 'conservative content' you mean white supremacists, you may have an argument.
 

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Probably what they want is personal control over those items, and not to allow ISP's to throttle companies or services at will.
So they've been arguing for net neutrality.
By the way, if by 'conservative content' you mean white supremacists, you may have an argument.
there were not white supremacist content. that latest conservative youtube channel Prager U was banned from youtube for no reason


PragerU sues YouTube, says it censors conservative videos

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-youtube-says-it-censors-conservative-videos/
 
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