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James Fields charged with FIRST DEGREE Murder

bver_hunter

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The judge ruled that that there is a probable cause for that charge and numerous charges against the racist Neo Nazi supporter / terrorist James Fields who ploughed his car into the demonstrators that killed Heather Heyer in Charlottesville.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...tesville-protest-car-attack-due-in-court.html

So much for the conspiracy theory based on a debunked nonsensical video by the alt right supporters on Youtube.
 

mandrill

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Guess he will be providing them with the Actual video. I guess the "fake" video from the police helicopter has to be debunked.
LOL.
Bud Plug will "analyze" the police video and prove logically that it was all Heather Heyer's fault.
 

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Bud Plug will "analyze" the police video and prove logically that it was all Heather Heyer's fault.
I'm sure that bud will reply to this thread soon, once he's finished driving down there with his laptop to show them his youtube evidence.
 

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Bud Plug will "analyze" the police video and prove logically that it was all Heather Heyer's fault.
Well of course it was. The video clearly shows that Heyer was an antifa agent who killed herself when nowhere near the car.
 

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To my mind the only questions were was it careless or deliberate.

Obviously to the Commonwealth's mind they feel there is enough to prove deliberation.
 

bver_hunter

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Well of course it was. The video clearly shows that Heyer was an antifa agent who killed herself when nowhere near the car.
Moreover, I could not see anyone driving that car, as it was not obvious in that video provided by b plug.
 

bver_hunter

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Did bud get banned?
Its not like him to avoid a chance to show off his youtube research.
Well, this are the type of sources that the right / alt right use for their conspiracy theory. Now they claim that the "Lefties and Antifa" will intimidate the jurors try and convict "an innocent guy".

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/20...has-charges-increased-to-first-degree-murder/

This is the type of nonsensical propaganda that the right wingies buy on the Youtube. Then they claim that the MSM is "fake".
 

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Did any one of you (Aardie excepted) consider: a) how the procedure of a preliminary hearing differs from a trial and how that can lead to unexpected results at trial, b) how the "probable cause" standard differs from the "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" standard and how that can lead to unexpected results at trial, or c) any of the actual evidence that was provided to the court? I thought not.

Hint - the bar for a preliminary hearing is pretty low compared to trial, and favors the prosecution.

The only conclusion that can be drawn from this thread is that you cannot be banned from TERB for trolling.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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As he should, if you run your car into a crowd on purpose with intent of killing you are a murderer
 

Bud Plug

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Have you considered that the police have far more information than you?
It's possible, but based on the media's description of the evidence presented at the preliminary hearing, it doesn't sound like they presented any video providing different views than what I have already seen online. Have you considered how irrational it is to presume the existence of evidence that no one has disclosed to you?
 

Bud Plug

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Precisely, as they have videos taken from a helicopter, and this is the reason why it was upgraded to a first degree murder charge.
I wonder how closely that helicopter video compares to this one, taken from a drone over the intersection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_si2qdY53Q. What can you see in this video? Can you see the car striking Heyer? Or any chain of events connecting the crash to her injury and death? One thing you can't see is a helicopter at a lower elevation. This drone footage was actually focused on the intersection at the time of the collision. Was the police helicopter that took footage hovering over this precise location at the precise time that the collision took place, or was it moving? (When you think about it, why would it be focused on this intersection? There was no approved march route, and the crowd only turned onto the street where the collision occurred seconds before the collision). What was its elevation and distance from the intersection? Does its footage show the car colliding with Heyer, or any clear chain of events connecting the collision to her death?

You don't know the answers to any of these questions, and you don't care.
 

bver_hunter

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I wonder how closely that helicopter video compares to this one, taken from a drone over the intersection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_si2qdY53Q. What can you see in this video? Can you see the car striking Heyer? Or any chain of events connecting the crash to her injury and death? One thing you can't see is a helicopter at a lower elevation. This drone footage was actually focused on the intersection at the time of the collision. Was the police helicopter that took footage hovering over this precise location at the precise time that the collision took place, or was it moving? (When you think about it, why would it be focused on this intersection? There was no approved march route, and the crowd only turned onto the street where the collision occurred seconds before the collision). What was its elevation and distance from the intersection? Does its footage show the car colliding with Heyer, or any clear chain of events connecting the collision to her death?

You don't know the answers to any of these questions, and you don't care.
Listen the Surveillance footage from a Virginia State Police helicopter, played by prosecutors in court, captured the moment of impact by the car and the cursing of the startled troopers on board. The video then showed the car as it reversed, drove away and eventually pulled over. The helicopter had been monitoring the violence, and prosecutors questioned Charlottesville Police Det. Steven Young about the video as it played. Fields, of Maumee, Ohio, sat quietly in a striped jumpsuit with his hands cuffed during the hearing. His attorney Denise Lunsford did not present evidence or make any arguments at the hearing, although she did cross-examine the detective. Fields was photographed hours before the attack with a shield bearing the emblem of Vanguard America, one of the hate groups that took part in the rally, although the group denied any association with him.

You do not know any answers yourself. But you seem to care about this racist criminal. Why did the defence lawyer not use any of the evidence from your video?
 

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Listen the Surveillance footage from a Virginia State Police helicopter, played by prosecutors in court, captured the moment of impact by the car and the cursing of the startled troopers on board. The video then showed the car as it reversed, drove away and eventually pulled over. The helicopter had been monitoring the violence, and prosecutors questioned Charlottesville Police Det. Steven Young about the video as it played. Fields, of Maumee, Ohio, sat quietly in a striped jumpsuit with his hands cuffed during the hearing. His attorney Denise Lunsford did not present evidence or make any arguments at the hearing, although she did cross-examine the detective. Fields was photographed hours before the attack with a shield bearing the emblem of Vanguard America, one of the hate groups that took part in the rally, although the group denied any association with him.

You do not know any answers yourself. But you seem to care about this racist criminal. Why did the defence lawyer not use any of the evidence from your video?
Of course, I read the newspaper article you linked, so I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing by parroting what was written there.

You're impossibly obtuse on this issue. I don't claim to have seen evidence of Field's innocence and never have. The only statement I've ever made is that neither you nor I have ever seen evidence to establish that he killed Heyer, and by that I mean the actus reus of either colliding with her or causing a collision which proximately led to the blunt force trauma which is the cause of her death. This is a legal requirement to prove the criminal charges separate and apart from consideration of whether he had the mens rea (criminal intent) to cause harm or injury.

The defence does not present evidence at a preliminary hearing. The judge only decides (in this State) whether the prosecution has evidence sufficient to proceed with its charges to a grand jury. The standard is probable cause - the same standard for obtaining a warrant. In my last post, I told you that you should look into the differences between preliminary hearing and a trial. I guess you're just too obstinate to be pointed in the right direction.

You've done so little research on this issue, but have so much to say.

I don't "care" about Fields, nor do I care about any of groups associated with the Charlottesville protests. I do care about (at minimum): a) the inaccuracy of media reporting, b) the politicization of events that should have nothing to do with political issues, c) police incompetence and the related issue of public trust in the police, d) constraints on public demonstration rights, e) constraints on free speech, and f) disingenuous sanctification of unhelpful and unproductive members of society when it suits a political cause.
 

Bud Plug

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As he should, if you run your car into a crowd on purpose with intent of killing you are a murderer
That's true if you actually cause a death. Otherwise, the correct charge on your premise would be attempted murder.
 

Frankfooter

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You've done so little research on this issue, but have so much to say.

I don't "care" about Fields, nor do I care about any of groups associated with the Charlottesville protests. I do care about (at minimum): a) the inaccuracy of media reporting, b) the politicization of events that should have nothing to do with political issues, c) police incompetence and the related issue of public trust in the police, d) constraints on public demonstration rights, e) constraints on free speech, and f) disingenuous sanctification of unhelpful and unproductive members of society when it suits a political cause.
Its true none of have researched the defending of this nazi accused of murder as you have.
You win that award hands down.

For someone who cares about 'justice', it does beg the question why are you so interested in 'justice' or arguing to free to this nazi terrorist?
Even now you are still posting more youtube videos and trying to dispute the police investigation into this murder.

Charlottesvilles chief of police just stepped down over his botched work in handling the protests in the first place.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/us/charlottesville-police-al-thomas.html
 
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