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Canadian journalist fired for discussing Canadian free speech on FOX

danmand

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He should be fired if he supports Tucker's ridiculous notion that there is no free speech in Canada.
 

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He should be fired if he supports Tucker's ridiculous notion that there is no free speech in Canada.
there is no free speech if corporations are acting like governments
 

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He should be fired if he supports Tucker's ridiculous notion that there is no free speech in Canada.
From what I gather, it wasn't the content - it was his appearance on a rival television network. If Tucker thinks it's a ridiculous notion, let's see what happens when he is a guest on a rival CNN news panel.
 

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There is probably a clause in his contract with Bell Media that he needs to get permission to appear on a competing network..... and the guy is a clown
 

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I actually thought he was pretty good at what he did. A departure from the usual no-minds on the newstainment scene these days.

He had a pretty checkered past though. That's for sure.

I think they made a mistake firing him to tell you the truth.
 

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That was my thought too. Also: How many Canadian viewers saw it, and what percentage of those watch CP24?
I saw it. I like Tucker, he has an unique style and he's not an ideologue. The firing of Le Drew was a massive overreaction. Not many people in the GTA even have Fox on their dial. The exchange itself was much ado about very little. To even suggest that CP24 is in any kind of competition with Fox is beyond ridiculous. I would guess that someone was just looking for a pretext to shit can him.
 

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I saw it. I like Tucker, he has an unique style and he's not an ideologue. The firing of Le Drew was a massive overreaction. Not many people in the GTA even have Fox on their dial. The exchange itself was much ado about very little. To even suggest that CP24 is in any kind of competition with Fox is beyond ridiculous. I would guess that someone was just looking for a pretext to shit can him.
You saw it Wow, you were the one!
We have Shaw Satellite and Fox is not part of our package, which is fine. We get CNN and when I want to hear the other side of the story I google Fox News. Like you I see no competition between the two stations, agree it was a chance to dump him. Fox is a national conservative station and CP24 is a Toronto news station
 

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CablePulse 24 sees itself in competition with FoxNews?
Have you checked the Canadian viewer stats for that foreign propaganda outlet? It's an economic issue; CP24 feel threatened by them dumping their product in our market below-cost.

As LeDrew himself says, he's an opinion journalist, not a reporter. Selling — or 'donating' — his work-product to Fox could easily put him in conflict with his his employers' interests and corporate opinions both.

As apparently it did.
 

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Have you checked the Canadian viewer stats for that foreign propaganda outlet? It's an economic issue; CP24 feel threatened by them dumping their product in our market below-cost.

As LeDrew himself says, he's an opinion journalist, not a reporter. Selling — or 'donating' — his work-product to Fox could easily put him in conflict with his his employers' interests and corporate opinions both.

As apparently it did.
There's a big grey line between "donating your product" to another media competitor and making promotional appearances on other media in order to encourage people to watch the product of your employer. Long standing media practice seems to support the latter interpretation. I'm sure CP24 has never previously received so much promotional exposure as this story gave them. Unfortunately for them, that exposure was all negative - positioning them as enemies of free speech.
 

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There's a big grey line between "donating your product" to another media competitor and making promotional appearances on other media in order to encourage people to watch the product of your employer. Long standing media practice seems to support the latter interpretation. I'm sure CP24 has never previously received so much promotional exposure as this story gave them. Unfortunately for them, that exposure was all negative - positioning them as enemies of free speech.
There was an easy way for LeDrew to avoid firing, or even a scolding: Clear it with his employer beforehand.

Clearly they saw no promotional value in his self-assigned appearance. And that is for them to say.
 

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There was an easy way for LeDrew to avoid firing, or even a scolding: Clear it with his employer beforehand.
You're right, but I have serious doubts that CP24 had such a prior approval policy and enforced it consistently. Based on my understanding of the media, networks like CP24 engage a large network of part time contributors and hosts who, understandably, perform in other gigs as well and arrange promotional activities without any involvement or direction from the network. It's not like LeDrew was a full time employee. I'd bet the farm that LeDrew has appeared on radio, TV and other media numerous times without prior approval of CP24 and without their subsequent objection, because those appearances didn't embarrass them.

It seems to me that this scuffle was about what LeDrew said and/or CP24's disapproval of Fox's political positioning and not about prior approval.
 

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You're right, but I have serious doubts that CP24 had such a prior approval policy and enforced it consistently. Based on my understanding of the media, networks like CP24 engage a large network of part time contributors and hosts who, understandably, perform in other gigs as well and arrange promotional activities without any involvement or direction from the network. It's not like LeDrew was a full time employee. I'd bet the farm that LeDrew has appeared on radio, TV and other media numerous times without prior approval of CP24 and without their subsequent objection, because those appearances didn't embarrass them.

It seems to me that this scuffle was about what LeDrew said and/or CP24's disapproval of Fox's political positioning and not about prior approval.
Which makes him stupid and thoughtless rather than disobedient or insubordinate. Not much of a defence.

Pretty much all the media folks I know about have taken advantage of corporate tax-rates and are 'employed' as independent contractors through personal service corporations. I don't see how that changes anything but the paperwork technicalities of the case. 'Independent' or not, it's naive in the extreme to show up in a competitor's factory and help out without expecting some negative blowback from the guy you have your own contract with. And as to that, all the media contracts I'm familiar with provide for termination on one weeks notice, at the producer's sole discretion.

Of course it's about what he said, but had he said it in the Green Room or over dinner, no one would care. Helping FOX harvest its millions of eyeballs on their feed instead of Bell Media's … ? Certainly they care, and have every right to.

As a self-described opinion-journalist, it should have been one of the first thoughts he had when he got the invite.
 

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Which makes him stupid and thoughtless rather than disobedient or insubordinate. Not much of a defence.

Pretty much all the media folks I know about have taken advantage of corporate tax-rates and are 'employed' as independent contractors through personal service corporations. I don't see how that changes anything but the paperwork technicalities of the case. 'Independent' or not, it's naive in the extreme to show up in a competitor's factory and help out without expecting some negative blowback from the guy you have your own contract with. And as to that, all the media contracts I'm familiar with provide for termination on one weeks notice, at the producer's sole discretion.

Of course it's about what he said, but had he said it in the Green Room or over dinner, no one would care. Helping FOX harvest its millions of eyeballs on their feed instead of Bell Media's … ? Certainly they care, and have every right to.

As a self-described opinion-journalist, it should have been one of the first thoughts he had when he got the invite.
What do you make of the talk show hosts who regularly show up on each other's late night shows on different networks?
 
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