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York Subway extension

Insidious Von

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Finally it's completed, it was supposed to open in Oct/2016.

Just got back from the opening ceremonies at the Pioneer Village Station of the new Toronto - York Subway Line, formerly known as Spadina. The Three Cabrons (Trudeau, Wynne and Tory) were on hand to bask in the glory of a much needed civic project, Kathleen Wynne looked the happiest.

This is going to save me a large chunk of $$$, and I'll no longer have to worry about being downtown and staying sober to drive home. There are over 3500 parking spots, the bulk of which are at Pioneer Village and 407 stations. The old Downsview station is now Sheppard West, Downsview Park is the first stop on the extension. Like the U of T, York University now has two subway stops as well. The Downsview Park station has a direct link to the GO line to Barrie. The York Smart Track is already partially completed, it's operational from Vaughan Metropolitan station to Dufferin. The line from VMS to Pine Valley/407 will be completed by the summer. Unfortunately Vaughan and Richmond Hill didn't co-ordinate their shit, I have no idea when the eastern extension to Yonge will be completed.

And it's not all hunky dory, the builders of the line haven't been paid their full wages yet. Toronto/Vaughan should have had this figured out, shame on them. This is what happens when you sub-contract.

https://www.cp24.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-line-1-subway-extension-opening-sunday-1.3718501
 

Smooth60

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So did Justin slip her the tongue? Or is that vice versa? The pic is damned Oedipal. Or...pick your repulsive meme.


 

Allwomen247

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This picture makes me want to HEAVE

Smug, self-satisfied socialists.

Pride themselves on their ability to spend other people’s money like they’re drunken sailors

If you want to do something close to our hearts on this board legalize prostitution

Cheers
 

nottyboi

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This picture makes me want to HEAVE

Smug, self-satisfied socialists.

Pride themselves on their ability to spend other people’s money like they’re drunken sailors

If you want to do something close to our hearts on this board legalize prostitution

Cheers
Er believe it or not, I know its cliche, but John Tory IS a Tory lol. Seems to like spending other peoples money as much as any pinko commie bastid and seems to have as little respect for private property as Karl Marx.
 

thailover

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John lost is “Tory”card a long time ago
That man is a liberal pinko like the other 2
The short”dude” in the striped shirt probably has a bigger penis that the tall one in the blue suit
 

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Smug, self-satisfied socialists.
Hi, from an actual socialist. If you're confusing the Liberal party of Ontario or Canada, or John Tory, with socialists... Erm, no. No. No. At best they are social small 'l' liberals. Economically they all tend to be centre right. Wanting decent civic infrastructure isn't socialist, and pretty much none of their programs are particularly socialist. If anything they all work very hard to ensure the smooth functioning of corporate capitalism, and to help their 'friends'. John Tory is at best a 'Red Tory', and while politically left of Mussolini, that doesn't exactly make him a socialist.

As for the actual extension. Yes, it came in late, and over budget, but ultimately it should be 'worth it' for the Finch West stop (and the integration into the Finch West LRT in 2022?) and the York U stop alone. The more Northern stops do have significant parking, and it should generally help get cars off the road. If you're a driver that means less traffic for you in that corridor all the way to downtown. It also makes Downsview Park a lot more accessible, but that was more of a 'needs a stop' stop. The biggest downside is that it will probably bring crowding on the West side of Line 1 more in line with levels on the East side.

At the end of the day it's not the full relief line (that would actually make money), or even the stumpy phase 1 relief line, but it's still a good solid civic investment that has a reasonably priced basket of benefits that goes well beyond just getting around.
 

IM469

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Hi, from an actual socialist. If you're confusing the Liberal party of Ontario or Canada, or John Tory, with socialists... Erm, no. No. No. At best they are social small 'l' liberals.
Clouding a political rant with facts takes away from the wonderful feeling of hate felt typing it. Actually labeling a politician is never going to work until you realise that they are all self serving rats whose political affiliation has the character impact as the colour of their fur.
 

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Should carried it on further north.
You get pretty bad diminishing returns when you go further North, and you begin to risk a crush loading situation on the West side of Line 1 for the people who actually live in Toronto. Go Transit exists for a reason. It's also being improved and better integrated with the TTC.
 

Insidious Von

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I didn't intend this to be a political thread, probably brought it on by labeling the three amigos as cabrons. The bottom line, good infrastructure wins votes, that accounts for Wynne's elation. She needed this the most, if Patrick Brown lets his Bill Morneau (talk about someone looking after his own) out, she could win another election.

We did do a petition to have the Vaughan line extended to Vaughan Mills, at the time there was plenty of land and a ready transit link at the mall. Mayor Bevilaqua decided on a larger property tax base over infrastructure. Condo's went up in the area instead. Next spring, if a healthy property tax decrease isn't issued he could face a serious challenge in the next Municipal election. The TTC should have handled the contracting themselves, there was a foul up between Toronto and York Region. You have be careful what you advertise, "The City Above Toronto" came back to haunt them.

I hope Barrie is now expanding its parking spaces, with a direct GO link, the 400 will get less congested going forward. People who work downtown but live north of Bradford have a nightmare commute. So far there has been no expansion of the MajorMac GO station.
 

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We did do a petition to have the Vaughan line extended to Vaughan Mills, at the time there was plenty of land and a ready transit link at the mall. Mayor Bevilaqua decided on a larger property tax base over infrastructure.
The biggest problem is that there is a lot of very desperately needed transit in the region, and that transit infrastructure is very expensive and hard to fund at just the municipal level. As it stands I think this is a good addition, but getting it to Vaughan Mills is just less of a priority. Not that the region makes terribly good decisions on transit in the first place between, "Subways, subways, subways!", the Shepard Line as it is, a (thankfully) mostly imaginary SmartTrack (because it would have broken GO), Brampton's "Just say no to LRT!", edit: filling in the Eglinton Subway then digging the Crosstown through it, forgetting adequate transit in Liberty Village, the 4-billion or I'll eat my hat one stop Scarborough subway, and pet projects in federal and provincial Liberal swing ridings. Well, at least there is some mostly good stuff going on right now.

I'd also like to see what happens to crush loading on that side of Line 1 before it goes further North. At a certain point people are just better served by an improved GO Transit system (which is also slowly happening).
 

Smooth60

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I didn't intend this to be a political thread, probably brought it on by labeling the three amigos as cabrons. The bottom line, good infrastructure wins votes, that accounts for Wynne's elation. She needed this the most, if Patrick Brown lets his Bill Morneau (talk about someone looking after his own) out, she could win another election.

We did do a petition to have the Vaughan line extended to Vaughan Mills, at the time there was plenty of land and a ready transit link at the mall. Mayor Bevilaqua decided on a larger property tax base over infrastructure. Condo's went up in the area instead. Next spring, if a healthy property tax decrease isn't issued he could face a serious challenge in the next Municipal election. The TTC should have handled the contracting themselves, there was a foul up between Toronto and York Region. You have be careful what you advertise, "The City Above Toronto" came back to haunt them.

I hope Barrie is now expanding its parking spaces, with a direct GO link, the 400 will get less congested going forward. People who work downtown but live north of Bradford have a nightmare commute. So far there has been no expansion of the MajorMac GO station.
The look of elation on Wynne's face is because weepy Justin has just grabbed her by the pussy! lol
 

james t kirk

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I'm glad they built it.

The last subway that was built in Toronto was Sheppard and that stems from the mid 90's. 20 fucking years and that's all we've accomplished. This city has a desperate need for more mass transit infrastructure.

I'm so disappointed with Tory. (I voted for him too.) He's built fuck all since being elected 3 years ago. "Smart-track"? Make me laugh. Using existing railway corridors has been studied to death for 40 years. CN and CP have no desire in the world to give up a square inch of their corridors. (They should convert the Union Pearson Express to Subway and loop it right up the non-used Lower Don Branch of the old CPR line that Metrolinx now uses. Add stations at Lawrence, Eglinton, St. Clair, Queen, King, etc. etc.)

But this city more than anything needs a Queen Street subway line. Right from Sherway Gardens to Scarborough Town Centre. Build it in stages just like they used to back when the first built subways in Toronto. Always be building subway.

Tory hasn't got the political balls for it. So disappointed in him. Tory is an administrator. A bean counter. He's not a builder. He's not a dreamer. This city needs another RC Harris.
 

legmann

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We would have had an Eglinton subway long ago had that cocksucker Harris not halted construction in 1995.
 

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Harris knew a subway on Eglinton would have been a mistake
I can only hope you are trying to be sarcastic. Otherwise, there is no way in hell any subway running underneath a major east-west artery in this city would have been a 'mistake'.
 

james t kirk

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Harris knew a subway on Eglinton would have been a mistake - proof : an LRT (streetcar) line is being built now. Unless the LRT is the real mistake :doh:
That's funny.

If I recall correctly, the City of Toronto and the Bob Rae government had agreed to build 4 subway segments. Sheppard, Eglinton, a lateral extension to York University, and replacing the Scarborough LRT. They were all on the books when Bob Rae was Premiere.

When Harris got elected round about 1995, he said that you can have 1 line only (there were only 2 choices - Eglinton, or Sheppard). You pick which one.

I remember watching the City Council debate on television. There was a lot of hemming and hawing, but the reality was that the province under Harris was only going to pay for one line.

So on one hand you had Mel Lastman, the powerful and popular mayor of North York pushing and politicing real hard for Sheppard.

On the other hand, you had Frances Nunziata, the newbie Mayor of the City of York (one of the smallest and poorest of the old cities of Metropolitan Toronto) and Doug Holyday, Mayor of Etobicoke (and a Progressive Conservative) and also a Newb.

Who do you think was going to win that fight? That's right. Uncle Mel. Mel was a tough politician who despite his sometimes clownish demeanor truly did know how to get things done and how to out maneuver his opponents. Frannie never had a chance. It was totally illogical to build Sheppard as opposed to Eglinton. But they built Sheppard. So go figure.

Rumor was that Lastman had told all his developer buddies to speculate on Shepppard because they were going to build a subway and their land values would skyrocket. When it looked like Sheppard was going to get shit canned (which would have been logical), supposedly Lastman's same developer buddies literally threatened him with death if Sheppard didn't materialize. It was crazy stupid to have built Sheppard. To this day, I wonder who greased who on council to get that vote to go build Sheppard.

BTW, the Eglinton LRT is being built as an LRT, however, the tunnels and stations are being built so that they can be converted to subway in the future. A subway will eventually replace the LRT on Eglinton.
 

Drizzt

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That's funny.

If I recall correctly, the City of Toronto and the Bob Rae government had agreed to build 4 subway segments. Sheppard, Eglinton, a lateral extension to York University, and replacing the Scarborough LRT. They were all on the books when Bob Rae was Premiere.

When Harris got elected round about 1995, he said that you can have 1 line only (there were only 2 choices - Eglinton, or Sheppard). You pick which one.

I remember watching the City Council debate on television. There was a lot of hemming and hawing, but the reality was that the province under Harris was only going to pay for one line.

So on one hand you had Mel Lastman, the powerful and popular mayor of North York pushing and politicing real hard for Sheppard.

On the other hand, you had Frances Nunziata, the newbie Mayor of the City of York (one of the smallest and poorest of the old cities of Metropolitan Toronto) and Doug Holyday, Mayor of Etobicoke (and a Progressive Conservative) and also a Newb.

Who do you think was going to win that fight? That's right. Uncle Mel. Mel was a tough politician who despite his sometimes clownish demeanor truly did know how to get things done and how to out maneuver his opponents. Frannie never had a chance. It was totally illogical to build Sheppard as opposed to Eglinton. But they built Sheppard. So go figure.

Rumor was that Lastman had told all his developer buddies to speculate on Shepppard because they were going to build a subway and their land values would skyrocket. When it looked like Sheppard was going to get shit canned (which would have been logical), supposedly Lastman's same developer buddies literally threatened him with death if Sheppard didn't materialize. It was crazy stupid to have built Sheppard. To this day, I wonder who greased who on council to get that vote to go build Sheppard.

BTW, the Eglinton LRT is being built as an LRT, however, the tunnels and stations are being built so that they can be converted to subway in the future. A subway will eventually replace the LRT on Eglinton.
There have been a lot of mistakes made with planning and development over the years. No real visionaries, as was mentioned in a previous post. Sheppard line is a failure because it doesnt really accomplish anything. It needed to go west past Yonge to connect at yorkdale or downsview..and it needed to go east to scarborough town centre. Doing so would have created a mini loop by somewhat connecting the 2 lines that run north and would connect to a major eastern transport hub in scarborough. Would also give east end residents an alternative to bloor danforth line if their intent was to transfer north at either yonge or st george/spadina, which would ease the westbound congestion on that line. The scarborough subway boondoggle wouldn't be so bad if it eventually connected to an expanded sheppard line. It should have been at least w stops though. 1 at lawrence at least before it reaches the hub.

Lrt are eye sores. They ruined spadina and eglinton will look worse.
 

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I can only hope you are trying to be sarcastic. Otherwise, there is no way in hell any subway running underneath a major east-west artery in this city would have been a 'mistake'.
Especially given how much of that LRT is getting buried just like a subway. It is one of the few unbroken East - West corridors that span the whole city.

"Smart-track"? Make me laugh. Using existing railway corridors has been studied to death for 40 years. CN and CP have no desire in the world to give up a square inch of their corridors.
SmartTrack was never anything more than an electoral ploy that was pretty obvious to anybody who bothered to look. Beyond issues with the rail companies, the cost of doing it without screwing up express commuter service ('Go'), ensured that it was never going to happen. In the end 'SmartTrack' will be a handful of new or moved 'Go' stations, a couple on each line inside Toronto, maybe they'll get SmartTrack signage, and the Provence will improve 'Go' service, and maybe the Provence and City will come up with a decent transfer scheme. Not bad things, but not what was promised. Then, like the Scarborough subway, Tory will declare 'victory' while trying to make sure nobody looks at the details. It will probably work for at least one more term.

BTW, the Eglinton LRT is being built as an LRT, however, the tunnels and stations are being built so that they can be converted to subway in the future. A subway will eventually replace the LRT on Eglinton.
Unless you could provide a credible source on that, I think you're wrong-ish. The tunnel could probably theoretically accommodate a Subway train given the grades and relatively straight run, but the track gauge is different and all of the platform heights would need to be changed. Source on track gauge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_subway, and the platform height issue was a big factor against converting Sheppard from subway to LRT. By the time you rip all of the track out, change all of the platforms, and put new track in, that isn't any sort of easy or cheap conversion, and it would take years.
 

Insidious Von

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Toronto went halfway to becoming LA, at first Nathan Phillips didn't take the kickbacks that Detroit was offering. Unfortunately his successors weren't so egalitarian. Art Eggleton is Canada's most corrupt politician, he had his hand out to anyone that offered bribes. He is more responsible for the current transit mess than Mike Harris ever could be.

LA was planning on an expansion of their subway system that would have seen Santa Barbera connected to Orange County. Detroit convinced them that their future lay in cars and lobbied the LA County to build highways instead. With money from Detroit, LA buried their subway lines in favour of highways. They are living with the consequences, their air quality became a cesspool of particulate matter. So much for car culture.
 
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