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I don't support violence or terrorism, which is why its worth noting that Hamas ran a voluntary ceasefire for 3 years,...
During those 3 years of "ceasefire"

Hamas claims terrorists who killed 4 in Tel Aviv bloodbath as its own
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-claims-tel-aviv-terrorists-as-its-own/

Israel/Palestine: Hamas Bus Bombing Targets Civilians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/04/25/israel/palestine-hamas-bus-bombing-targets-civilians

5-man Hamas cell that killed Naama and Eitam Henkin arrested
https://www.timesofisrael.com/shin-bet-terror-cell-behind-henkin-murders-arrested/

Hamas Boasts That It Killed 17 Israelis in 2016
http://www.thetower.org/4374-hamas-boasts-that-it-killed-17-israelis-in-2016/

Not to mention 80+ rockets launched from gaza during that time. I guess that is better than the average this century of over 900 per year.
 

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There are no Israeli Arab citizens in the West Bank, ....
Shit. This again?

Israeli Arabs live in settlements, East Jerusalem, and in Arab villages. Israeli Arabs also live in Arab only communities like the new Palestinian town of Rawabi. Arab Israelis also regularly visit relatives in the West Bank. They use the exact same roads as Israeli Jews to get there and back.


Leave or let live? Arabs move in to Jewish settlements
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-to-jewish-settlements-idUSKBN0JL0D620141207

500 Arabs begin studies in Ariel: 'There's no racism here'
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3970752,00.html

We were speaking with Masri in Rawabi's giant showroom, which has a view of the city center, as well as bank offices right on site to arrange financing. During our visit several families passed through.

When we met some of the buyers, we learned that several are not from the West Bank, but rather live inside Israel, and are Israeli citizens.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...ty-rises-in-the-west-bank-and-its-not-israeli
 

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Shit. This again?

Israeli Arabs live in settlements, East Jerusalem, and in Arab villages. Israeli Arabs also live in Arab only communities like the new Palestinian town of Rawabi. Arab Israelis also regularly visit relatives in the West Bank. They use the exact same roads as Israeli Jews to get there and back.


Leave or let live? Arabs move in to Jewish settlements
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-to-jewish-settlements-idUSKBN0JL0D620141207

500 Arabs begin studies in Ariel: 'There's no racism here'
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3970752,00.html

We were speaking with Masri in Rawabi's giant showroom, which has a view of the city center, as well as bank offices right on site to arrange financing. During our visit several families passed through.

When we met some of the buyers, we learned that several are not from the West Bank, but rather live inside Israel, and are Israeli citizens.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...ty-rises-in-the-west-bank-and-its-not-israeli
Lame defence, attempting to find singular exceptions to the rule and avoiding the obvious systematic apartheid.
In 2009, a comprehensive report by the Human Rights Research Council of South
Africa found that Israeli practices in the occupied Palestinian territory were
overwhelmingly consistent with apartheid (see annex I). Israel has not accepted
those findings, however, on several grounds. Those who claim that Israel does not
govern Palestinians in an apartheid regime invariably cite conditions and rights for
Palestinians in domain 1 (citizens of Israel). Leaving aside the issue of domain 2, they
say that the situation of Palestinians in the occupied territory is irrelevant to the
question. That approach can be persuasive at first glance. Palestinians in the
occupied Palestinian territory are not citizens of Israel and, under the laws of war (cf.
the Fourth Geneva Convention), are not supposed to be. The differential treatment
by Israel of citizens and non-citizens in the occupied Palestinian territory could
therefore seem admissible or, at least, irrelevant. In this common view, Israel would
be practicing apartheid only if it annexed the territory, declared one State in all of
Mandate Palestine and, thereafter, continued to deny equal rights to Palestinians.
Influential voices such as former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, former United
States President Jimmy Carter, former United States Secretary of State John Kerry,
and a host of Israeli, American and other critics and pundits have warned that Israel
should withdraw from the West Bank precisely to avoid that scenario.
However, those warnings rest on flawed assumptions. First, Israel already
administers the occupied Palestinian territory in ways consistent with apartheid,
given that the territory has not one population but two: (a) Palestinian civilians,
governed by military law; and (b) some 350,000 Jewish settlers, governed by Israeli
civil law. The racial character of this situation is evidenced by the fact that all West
Bank settlers are administered by Israeli civil law on the basis of being Jewish,
whether they are Israeli citizens or not.
78 Thus, Israel administers the West Bank

through a dual legal system, based on race, which has led to expressions of concern
by, among many others, former special rapporteurs Mr. Dugard and Mr. Falk.
Secondly, the character of this dual legal system, problematic in itself, is
aggravated by how the State of Israel manages land and development on the basis
of race. By denying Palestinians essential zoning, building and business permits,
Israeli military rule has crippled the Palestinian economy and society, leaving
Palestinian cities and towns (outside the Ramallah enclave) increasingly underresourced
and suffocating their growth and the welfare of their inhabitants. The
Israeli blockade of Gaza has resulted in even worse living conditions for the
entrapped Palestinian population there.
In contrast, Jewish settlements in the West Bank are flourishing. All State
ministries provide support for their planning, funding, building and servicing;
some, such as the Ministry of Construction and Housing and the Ministry of
Agriculture and Rural Development, have been entirely committed to doing so.
They also offer financial incentives for Jews to move to the settlements, including
interest-free loans, school grants, special recreational facilities, new office blocks,
agricultural subsidies, job training and employment guarantees. State complicity is
further demonstrated by measures to integrate the economy, society and politics
of Jewish settlements into those of Israel, generating seamless travel and
electricity networks, a unified banking and finance system for Jews, Jewish
business investment, and, in particular, a customs union.79
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/w...inian-people-apartheid-occupation-english.pdf

From the UN report, now at the ICC, on Israeli apartheid.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Lets try this again Phil.

As a Canadian you have a moral duty to stand against all racism, not just anti-semitism.
Apartheid is a form of racism, as is anti-semitism and Islamaphobia.
Just as Trump is a racist and you should have a duty to stand against him as well.

Will you take a stand against all forms of racism, or are you here only to complain about anti-semitism?

And while you're here taking a stand against anti-semitism, will you call out these actions as anti-semitic?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline/
No, Israel's right to protect itself from Hamas savages through apartheid supersedes everything else
 

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No, Israel's right to protect itself from Hamas savages through apartheid supersedes everything else
Congrats, I think you're the first of the Israeli supporters to out and out say they support apartheid.
The problem is that you just labelled yourself as a supporter of racist policies and a war crime only one notch less worse then genocide.

Your continual use of the word 'savages' really just confirms your belief in colonial racism, by the way.

And personally, I find support for apartheid really disgusting in this day and age.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Congrats, I think you're the first of the Israeli supporters to out and out say they support apartheid
Absolutely I do. Until Palestinians finally show they can behave themselves and perhaps are willing to come to some type of peace agreement I will continue to support apartheid.

Its a matter of self-defence for the Israeli's

The problem is that you just labelled yourself as a supporter of racist policies and a war crime only one notch less worse then genocide
Horseshit. Israel has a right to exist and a right to protect itself.
Its got nothing to do with racism

Your continual use of the word 'savages' really just confirms your belief in colonial racism, by the way
Yup, every terrorist organization that blows up civilians indiscriminately is savage in my opinion

And personally, I find support for apartheid really disgusting in this day and age
Of course you do. You want Hamas let loose so they can kill every Jew in the middle-east.
I'm not surprised you're bummed out by apartheid
 

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Absolutely I do. Until Palestinians finally show they can behave themselves and perhaps are willing to come to some type of peace agreement I will continue to support apartheid.
Sorry Phil, but that puts you down as at least or more evil then Hamas. Apartheid is a crime against humanity just slightly less evil then genocide.
There are no justifications for such evil acts.


Its a matter of self-defence for the Israeli's
Its a matter of evidence of the racist basis for your beliefs that you refuse to accept that Palestinians have a right to exist, self-determination, full human rights and even self defence.
These rights you appear only to assign to your chosen people.


Horseshit. Israel has a right to exist and a right to protect itself.
Its got nothing to do with racism
It absolutely is about racism.
Apartheid is the most vile form of racism next to genocide.
And you are backing it.

Yup, every terrorist organization that blows up civilians indiscriminately is savage in my opinion
Again, Israel kills way, way more civilians then any Palestinian group yet your racist bias means you both don't acknowledge or don't care about the loss of Palestinian life.

Of course you do. You want Hamas let loose so they can kill every Jew in the middle-east.
I'm not surprised you're bummed out by apartheid
No, I want both sides to turn away from violence and find a peaceful solution.
My ideal would be for a Canadian style solution that honours equal rights throughout. Rwanda has managed to get past its colonial based genocide, Israel can get past its colonial apartheid.
People mostly just want to live their lives in peace.

Its incredibly vile that you support apartheid.
 

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Lame defence, attempting to find singular exceptions ...
Another case, fresh from the day's news.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/father-suspected-as-arab-israeli-student-stabbed-critically-injured/

Arab Israeli living and studying in Jenin. Guess which roads she'd use to get there. It is so common for Israeli Arabs to live or travel in the West Bank that the Israeli press don't even bother commenting on it. All of these examples show that Israeli Arabs have the same rights as other Israelis no matter which side of the Green Line they are on and that completely destroys your apartheid claims.

And this article shows once again that the PA and Hamas are the only ones pushing apartheid. It is clear that their issue isn't with Israelis but with Jews. They don't ban Israeli Arabs from the West Bank; they ban Jews.

And it is hilarious that you keep pushing a report the UN rejected, commissioned by a bunch of dictators who deserve to be under ICC investigation.
 

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Sorry Phil, but that puts you down as at least or more evil then Hamas. ....
When was the last time that Phil sent terror rockets out? When was the last time Phil put a suicide bomber on a public bus or shot up a market full of people? When was the last time Phil cheered the murder of a religious figure driving home and promised more?
 

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No, I want both sides to turn away from violence and find a peaceful solution.....
Then why do you never criticize Palestinians for their rejection of peace and promotion of violence?

Just one example of Palestinian violence you refuse to criticize.
Israeli man killed in West Bank drive-by shooting attack

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-man-seriously-injured-in-west-bank-drive-by-shooting-attack/

Hailing West Bank shooting, Hamas warns of more attacks to come
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hailing-west-bank-shooting-hamas-warns-of-more-attacks-to-come/

Judging by the number of times you've complained about Israel arresting or killing attackers during their attacks, your posts make it pretty clear that you simply want Israel to stop defending it's people and be destroyed.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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When was the last time that Phil sent terror rockets out? When was the last time Phil put a suicide bomber on a public bus or shot up a market full of people? When was the last time Phil cheered the murder of a religious figure driving home and promised more?
Thanks bc. Great post!!

Frankie is just mad because a lot of people have outed him as an anti-semite, so he's trying to bring us down to his level, which anyone with half a brain can see right through
 

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When was the last time that Phil sent terror rockets out? When was the last time Phil put a suicide bomber on a public bus or shot up a market full of people? When was the last time Phil cheered the murder of a religious figure driving home and promised more?
I have no idea if Phil or you are funding illegal settlements and war crimes.
Are you?

Are you also supporting apartheid like Phil?
No, Israel's right to protect itself from Hamas savages through apartheid supersedes everything else
Do you support apartheid or are you going to call Phil out for supporting Israeli apartheid?

Are you really against racism or are you really supporting apartheid, a really evil form of racism?
 

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Would you get the fuck out of here!!!
You don't think its wrong to question my background but you think its offensive to ask if you both donate to Israeli settlements or organizations?
That's funny.

Sorry, but now that you've stated that you support Israeli apartheid its worth asking how far you support it.
Not that you need to answer, but funding war crimes like apartheid isn't going to be looked on so well in the future, you know.
I'd expect it will take a few years, but as Israel is recognized as apartheid with charges from the ICC, support is going to become much harder to do publicly.
You might as well get used to it.

Lets just hope for all concerned that there is a peaceful resolution to this one state solution they seem stuck with.
 

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Would you get the fuck out of here!!!
Like a bad case of diarrhea,... that just won't go away.

You think if you just ignore it,... things will get better,... but it never does,... the shit just keeps coming,...spewing crap accompanied by a rancid odour,.. on and on.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You don't think its wrong to question my background but you think its offensive to ask if you both donate to Israeli settlements or organizations?
That's funny
Okay, I'll answer it. No, I dont give money to Israel.
Why would I give my hard earned retirement money to some dog in which I have no fight??
Also, who would I give it to if I wanted to?? The government of Israel??

Sorry, but now that you've stated that you support Israeli apartheid its worth asking how far you support it.
Not that you need to answer, but funding war crimes like apartheid isn't going to be looked on so well in the future, you know
I support apartheid because Hamas are a bunch of savages, and IMO Israeli's are the only sane people in the middle-east.
I also think Islam is a scourge on humanity when Koran is interpreted wrongly by so many of its adherents.
I guess there's nothing wrong with the Koran itself, until you use it as an excuse to mowe down 80 people on a boardwalk in southern France

I'd expect it will take a few years, but as Israel is recognized as apartheid with charges from the ICC, support is going to become much harder to do publicly.
You might as well get used to it
LOL @ charges from the ICC. Israel is stronger then most of its neighbours (combined). They could give a rats ass what the ICC thinks.
Also Israel is a strong ally of Canada and the US, maybe YOU should get used to that

Lets just hope for all concerned that there is a peaceful resolution to this one state solution they seem stuck with
Assuming you really mean it, thats something most of us can agree on
 
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