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How to survive a gunfight in a car | Tactical Shooting Techniques - video

mandrill

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My latest discovery on YouTube, "Tactical Rifleman" features ex armed forces who teach Rambo wannabes how to survive day-to-day vexations, like being ambushed by hired assassins while driving to the convenience store to pick up milk. Or smokes.

The sheer ludicrosity of the concept is balanced by the fact that some of the advice actually makes sense, sort of. (Although why tf would you happen to be carrying a full size assault rifle in the front seat of your car, when you damn well know that a compact automatic carbine fits through the window far more conveniently??!!??).

So here you go............


 

Robert Mugabe

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My latest discovery on YouTube, "Tactical Rifleman" features ex armed forces who teach Rambo wannabes how to survive day-to-day vexations, like being ambushed by hired assassins while driving to the convenience store to pick up milk. Or smokes.

The sheer ludicrosity of the concept is balanced by the fact that some of the advice actually makes sense, sort of. (Although why tf would you happen to be carrying a full size assault rifle in the front seat of your car, when you damn well know that a compact automatic carbine fits through the window far more conveniently??!!??).

So here you go............


Guy makes some excellent points. I always like to keep a steady train of suppressive fire from the passenger seat. Nice to see a Delta 88 still being put to good use. Up coming vids include tactical use of wooden church pews in close combat, and bullet proof cowboy hats for concerts.
 

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It would all depend on a number of factors. Are you on reconnaissance or patrol? Are you being attacked or under attack because of a person or persons in the car that are under your protection? Are you armed in a standard usual manner or are you fully prepared for all possible events or outcomes? To be moderately armed, I would need my sidearm Browning HP 9mm and carry two additional clips ( Effective range 50 m ) and a HK - MP5 .40 cal with collapsible stock. ( Effective range 75 m. - 100 m.) Why is this guy carrying that cumbersome 3 ft. long assault rifle?



Why tf would you happen to be carrying a full size assault rifle in the front seat of your car, when you damn well know that a compact automatic carbine fits through the window far more conveniently??!!??).


Much more convenient and just as effective is the Ruger Mini-14.
( The gun used by the A-Team in the TV show )
 

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I think it’s fair to say if youre rolling around town with a loaded AR-15 you’re expecting to get into some shit.
 

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Could someone explain why former SF would share their craft en masses like this?

It would seem to be much more likely to help a bad guy looking to do harm against good guys, than it will ever do to actually help a good guy... Assuming your life doesn’t ordinarily include these altercations.

The guys I know who face an ongoing kidnapping or assassination threat (they live in dangerous places, they aren’t dangerous people), have bodyguards and are trained by these contractors. Not by watching YouTube.

This seems like a wet dream for criminals, terrorists and militia-types, but I’m not sure who else would actually benefit from this. So what audience are they hoping to attract?
 

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I think it appeals to wannabes.

The scenario wasn't well mapped out in the video. Whether there was a driver or other passengers? How many assailants and where?

When I watched it all the way through, I thought the guy was dead #1 when he couldn't get the long barrel deployed for a couple of seconds at the beginning. Dead #2 when he got out of the car and tried to fire back. As soon as he showed above the hood to fire, a decent quality hitman would pop him or suppress him and if the latter, move in for the kill. And Dead #3 when he blew off a few more random rounds and realized he only had 1 mag.

If I'm the guy, I dive out of the car, roll and crawl into a ditch or underbrush at the side of the road and move laterally fast until I can get a clear look and clear shot at whomever.

Or else stay on my gut and fire from beneath the car. The assailant has to go prone too, in order to get a shot at me. (A shot from a higher angle would probably ricochet up into the engine without reaching me.) Going prone takes him a couple of seconds and I can either get mobile and break off or keep firing. Either way, he loses the initiative.
 

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I think it’s fair to say if youre rolling around town with a loaded AR-15 you’re expecting to get into some shit.
That weapon is not an AR-15 or any AR -15/AR -16 derivative. My guess it is a wannabee AR -15/AR -16 that is not used my any military around the world and is given ( by the manufacturer ) to this Tier-1 Rambo wannabee/survivalist/white supremacist weekend fantasy camp for publicity and exposure.
 

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My first move would be to recline the seat back to decrease the angle and chances of me getting shot and increase the space required to pull out my long rifle and return fire before I get out of the car to escape.

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Guy makes some excellent points. I always like to keep a steady train of suppressive fire from the passenger seat. Nice to see a Delta 88 still being put to good use. Up coming vids include tactical use of wooden church pews in close combat, and bullet proof cowboy hats for concerts.
This is so ridiculous it's laughable. If you want a real assault weapon, get a Delta 88 from the 60's or early 70's. Using a tin pot Delta from the 80's is just a display of impotence.
 

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I think it appeals to wannabes.

The scenario wasn't well mapped out in the video. Whether there was a driver or other passengers? How many assailants and where?

When I watched it all the way through, I thought the guy was dead #1 when he couldn't get the long barrel deployed for a couple of seconds at the beginning. Dead #2 when he got out of the car and tried to fire back. As soon as he showed above the hood to fire, a decent quality hitman would pop him or suppress him and if the latter, move in for the kill. And Dead #3 when he blew off a few more random rounds and realized he only had 1 mag.

If I'm the guy, I dive out of the car, roll and crawl into a ditch or underbrush at the side of the road and move laterally fast until I can get a clear look and clear shot at whomever.

Or else stay on my gut and fire from beneath the car. The assailant has to go prone too, in order to get a shot at me. (A shot from a higher angle would probably ricochet up into the engine without reaching me.) Going prone takes him a couple of seconds and I can either get mobile and break off or keep firing. Either way, he loses the initiative.
Typically when I get in a shootout out on my milk run the first thing I do is get low in the car and figure out who is shooting at me. Also my ak-47's are permanently mounted inside the car, 'cuz when you're going through the Timmies drive through you can't hold your ak-47, a coffee and your doughnut. This guy is clearly amateur.
 

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I think it appeals to wannabes.

The scenario wasn't well mapped out in the video. Whether there was a driver or other passengers? How many assailants and where?

When I watched it all the way through, I thought the guy was dead #1 when he couldn't get the long barrel deployed for a couple of seconds at the beginning. Dead #2 when he got out of the car and tried to fire back. As soon as he showed above the hood to fire, a decent quality hitman would pop him or suppress him and if the latter, move in for the kill. And Dead #3 when he blew off a few more random rounds and realized he only had 1 mag.

If I'm the guy, I dive out of the car, roll and crawl into a ditch or underbrush at the side of the road and move laterally fast until I can get a clear look and clear shot at whomever.

Or else stay on my gut and fire from beneath the car. The assailant has to go prone too, in order to get a shot at me. (A shot from a higher angle would probably ricochet up into the engine without reaching me.) Going prone takes him a couple of seconds and I can either get mobile and break off or keep firing. Either way, he loses the initiative.
Under the car is not a good idea. Your assailant does not have to go prone. When a bullet strikes a hard surface at less than a 45 degree angle, it carries on at an oblique shallow angle, and not deflect at the angle from which it was fired. An example of this was the famous Hollywood shootout. One bad guy was behind a car. A cop (standing) shoots under the car. The bullets hit the ground, and carry on at a very shallow angle and hit the guys ankles. Similarly, if you are in a hallway made of solid material (cinderblock) and shoot the wall say 10 feet from you, the bullet will carry on almost parallel with the wall.

Another fallacy when people see this, or tv for that matter, is that car doors stop bullets. If the bullet hits the solid mechanism inside the door, and is sufficiently low calibre, maybe. The door has a lot of hollow spots. What can actually happen is the bullet carries right through. If the round has enough power, it can come out the other side carrying with it fragmented pieces of the door.
 

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The thing I notice in this video (and seems to be a trend in online combative shooting videos) is the support arm grip. The trend in the past 5 or 6 years is what's called the exaggerated C-clamp grip for the support arm. In the past, the big thing was a front pistol grip attached to the rails on the front of any assault rifle and keeping your elbows tighter to your body to pull the rifle into your shoulder. But with competitive shooters, the exaggerated C-clamp grip started to show up because it made target acquisition faster and more natural (your support arm naturally points to the target), helped reduce muzzle rise and recoil and made fast shooting from various stances (prone, standing, around obstacles) easier. And because top competitive shooters were adopting this grip it got copied and is now being adopted in training people for situations where the targets shoot back. There are valid reasons for a C-clamp grip but every year it seems the technique gets exaggerated. Eg: If you look at how high his elbows are in some positions - they are too high - you have to wonder how his vision (to spot danger to his left or right) would be obstructed by his arm - not to mention how he's presenting a bigger target to whomever is shooting at him as well as how much more effort it takes to hold this grip, vs a more relaxed grip.
 

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Under the car is not a good idea. Your assailant does not have to go prone. When a bullet strikes a hard surface at less than a 45 degree angle, it carries on at an oblique shallow angle, and not deflect at the angle from which it was fired. An example of this was the famous Hollywood shootout. One bad guy was behind a car. A cop (standing) shoots under the car. The bullets hit the ground, and carry on at a very shallow angle and hit the guys ankles. Similarly, if you are in a hallway made of solid material (cinderblock) and shoot the wall say 10 feet from you, the bullet will carry on almost parallel with the wall.

Another fallacy when people see this, or tv for that matter, is that car doors stop bullets. If the bullet hits the solid mechanism inside the door, and is sufficiently low calibre, maybe. The door has a lot of hollow spots. What can actually happen is the bullet carries right through. If the round has enough power, it can come out the other side carrying with it fragmented pieces of the door.
Ok, Kugel, you're hired. I'm picking up pizza for the kids at 6:30 tonight and I need fire support. Based on your knowledge of gunfire demonstration videos, you're far and away the best qualified of the guys on this thread.

Can you bring a grenade launcher too? Getting fed up with this puny assault rifle horseshit!
 

mandrill

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The thing I notice in this video (and seems to be a trend in online combative shooting videos) is the support arm grip. The trend in the past 5 or 6 years is what's called the exaggerated C-clamp grip for the support arm. In the past, the big thing was a front pistol grip attached to the rails on the front of any assault rifle and keeping your elbows tighter to your body to pull the rifle into your shoulder. But with competitive shooters, the exaggerated C-clamp grip started to show up because it made target acquisition faster and more natural (your support arm naturally points to the target), helped reduce muzzle rise and recoil and made fast shooting from various stances (prone, standing, around obstacles) easier. And because top competitive shooters were adopting this grip it got copied and is now being adopted in training people for situations where the targets shoot back. There are valid reasons for a C-clamp grip but every year it seems the technique gets exaggerated. Eg: If you look at how high his elbows are in some positions - they are too high - you have to wonder how his vision (to spot danger to his left or right) would be obstructed by his arm - not to mention how he's presenting a bigger target to whomever is shooting at him as well as how much more effort it takes to hold this grip, vs a more relaxed grip.
Given the preponderance of front pistol grips under the barrel in other combat shooting videos, I was a little surprised that he seemed to be going old school. But I now take your point that he is using a new technique of grasping the barrel.
 

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Lots of mythology in Rambo world....real shootouts tend to be cluster fucks if one is not ready...
 
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