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By the numbers: The Trump orbit's contacts with Russians

By Marshall Cohen, CNN Updated 6:49 PM ET, Tue November 21, 2017

(CNN) Here is a look, by the numbers, at all the known contacts between Trump associates and Russians. From meetings to emails, to text messages and Skype sessions, these lists have been growing throughout the year as more details drip out in the investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 US elections.

Overall statistics

At least 12 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition
There were at least 19 face-to-face interactions with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures
There were at least 51 communications -- meetings, phone calls, email exchanges and more.

This flies in the face of at least nine blanket denials from Trump world of any contacts with Russia

At least 12 of President Donald Trump's associates had contact with Russians during the presidential campaign or transition, according to their own statements, court filings and reporting from CNN and others.

Some interactions were straightforward, like a public handshake with the Russian ambassador. Others are more controversial, such as a secret meeting to get "dirt" on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

This number has grown throughout the year, largely thanks to public reporting that has forced new acknowledgments and explanations from Trump's associates. All of the Trump associates who have spoken out deny any improper contacts with Russians and deny participating in any collusion with the Kremlin to influence the US election.

This list included White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, Donald Trump Jr., former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and others affiliated with the Trump campaign and business empire.

Trump's aides and associates had at least 19 face-to-face meetings with Russians or people affiliated with the Russian government during the presidential campaign and transition, according to their public statements, court filings and reporting from CNN and other outlets.

Some of these meetings were about the campaign -- like Trump adviser George Papadopoulos' meetings with Russians in Europe. Others were claimed to be for non-campaign purposes, like when then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., met the Russian ambassador in his Senate office.

In all, there were at least 51 communications during the campaign or transition between Trump associates and Russians or people closely affiliated with the Russian government, according to their public statements, court filings and reporting from CNN and other news outlets.

These interactions include face-to-face meetings, phone calls, text messages, emails, private messages on social media and online video chats. The vast majority of these exchanges became known only after Trump took office.

About one-third of these interactions came from Papadopoulos and were revealed in October in court filings prepared by special counsel Robert Mueller's team before Papadopoulos' guilty plea.


On at least nine occasions, Trump and his senior officials denied that there had been any contacts whatsoever with Russians during the campaign or that there were any ties between the campaign and Russians.

These denials petered out last spring as more and more interactions were reported in the media. But before those reports, Trump himself and other senior administration officials offered blanket denials that had been any communication between campaign officials and Russians.

"Russia is a ruse," Trump said in February. "I have nothing to do with Russia. Haven't made a phone call to Russia in years. ... I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does."

Days after the election, now-White House Communications Director Hope Hicks issued denials on behalf of the Trump campaign about the issue of Russia contacts. She told The New York Times that the campaign was "not aware of any campaign representatives that were in touch with any foreign entities" during the election. And she told The Associated Press that "there was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign."
 

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Do You really want President Pence that bad?

Or how about President Ryan?

If you think people would be motivated to turn against the establishment before, how do you think they will react if he us removed from office over handshakes and what has been legally termed by the democrats as opposition research?

Good luck.......
 

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Do you really want to steadfastly continue to support your self-professed President 'Bad Medicine for a Dying America' that bad?

Do you really want this cancer of a President to totally rupture America completely?

How many lies will it take, how much Fake News does he have to spread, how much tribalism and divisiveness does he have to sow and how many institutions of democracy does he have to attempt to subvert and undermine before you will come to your senses?

If you think people will continue to be 'tricked' by this Fake News spewing con man, how do you think they will react when they finally realize that the 'trick' has been played upon them by the Wizard of Lies.
 

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Do you really want to steadfastly continue to support your self-professed President 'Bad Medicine for a Dying America' that bad?

Do you really want this cancer of a President to totally rupture America completely?

How many lies will it take, how much Fake News does he have to spread, how much tribalism and divisiveness does he have to sow and how many institutions of democracy does he have to attempt to subvert and undermine before you will come to your senses?

If you think people will continue to be 'tricked' by this Fake News spewing con man, how do you think they will react when they finally realize that the 'trick' has been played upon them by the Wizard of Lies.
I don't necessarily support him. I was 100% against Hillary and my first choice was Bernie. Barring on the GOP side it was a host of neo cons and Trump.

How about Cruz for ya. Maybe another Bush?

So far we haven't seen him actually start any wars. IMO if Clinton had gotten there would be troops on Libya, Syria, and a doubling in N Korea.

You and others are obsessed over tiny tweets. Trump is an amateur in the corruption game.Clinton is a professional who used to treat the WH as the first AirBnB and used her offices as no one has to enrich her family.

Trump is a nice agent of chaos. A big ol monkey wrench in the military industrial complex and proof that Democracy can still exist in the USA and the people can make choices.

My primary goal is to see the rise of a viable third party with progressive values. For that to happen the Democratic party needs to be discredited for the fake one it is. And the GOP is already looking at splintering as well.

You will never see actual improvement in the lives of ordinary Americans until the two party system is broken. And that won t happen without a real grassroots protest.

Trump is just the next step toward that.
 

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I don't necessarily support him. I was 100% against Hillary and my first choice was Bernie. Barring on the GOP side it was a host of neo cons and Trump.

How about Cruz for ya. Maybe another Bush?

So far we haven't seen him actually start any wars. IMO if Clinton had gotten there would be troops on Libya, Syria, and a doubling in N Korea.

You and others are obsessed over tiny tweets. Trump is an amateur in the corruption game.Clinton is a professional who used to treat the WH as the first AirBnB and used her offices as no one has to enrich her family.

Trump is a nice agent of chaos. A big ol monkey wrench in the military industrial complex and proof that Democracy can still exist in the USA and the people can make choices.

My primary goal is to see the rise of a viable third party with progressive values. For that to happen the Democratic party needs to be discredited for the fake one it is. And the GOP is already looking at splintering as well.

You will never see actual improvement in the lives of ordinary Americans until the two party system is broken. And that won t happen without a real grassroots protest.

Trump is just the next step toward that.
Democracy is easy to break, hard to fix.
Your 'agent of chaos' is more likely to lead to a more broken system.
I can list a dozen countries that have become severely messed up through leaders like Trump, can you list 1 that became 'great again'?
 

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Democracy is easy to break, hard to fix.
Your 'agent of chaos' is more likely to lead to a more broken system.
I can list a dozen countries that have become severely messed up through leaders like Trump, can you list 1 that became 'great again'?
The nation survived Nixon(Who in fact was a better president than generally given credit for)

Survived several other mediocre and bad presidents as well. Survived a Civil War. The upheavals of the sixties and seventies. Numerous wars.

If you are saying the usa can't survive and even improve as a result of Trump then it deserves to die.

But it isn't some third world hole. Its the strongest democracy in the world. But it's lost it's way to money. The people are waking up.

It's a major shift. And with that comes chaos.
 

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The nation survived Nixon(Who in fact was a better president than generally given credit for)

Survived several other mediocre and bad presidents as well. Survived a Civil War. The upheavals of the sixties and seventies. Numerous wars.

If you are saying the usa can't survive and even improve as a result of Trump then it deserves to die.

But it isn't some third world hole. Its the strongest democracy in the world. But it's lost it's way to money. The people are waking up.

It's a major shift. And with that comes chaos.
A major shift to chaos isn't necessarily a good thing.

Trump is incompetent, otherwise you'd be looking at the US implementing disaster capitalism the way that Argentina and South Africa did. Kill all social services like health care, free corporations to do as they like, screw the tax system to favour the rich even more, etc. Or it could be going like Turkey, where Erdogan has killed their democracy fairly quickly and turned it into a police state. Or like Hungary/Poland, where the white supremacists are putting in their own form of disaster capitalism/police state.

Its just wishful thinking to think that some new Bernie Sanders is going to be able to undo all the Trump crap, while Trump is busy installing national and permanent gerrymandering to keep the republicans in power. Trump will be gone soon, but Pence will do more of the same.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/donald-trump-thomas-brunell-census-bureau
 

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Would that be so bad?

Do you really want this cancer of a President to totally rupture America completely?
A total "rupture". meltdown, or whatever might not be as bad as the ol' status quo. Start over and rebuild might not be the worst option...
 

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A major shift to chaos isn't necessarily a good thing.

Trump is incompetent, otherwise you'd be looking at the US implementing disaster capitalism the way that Argentina and South Africa did. Kill all social services like health care, free corporations to do as they like, screw the tax system to favour the rich even more, etc. Or it could be going like Turkey, where Erdogan has killed their democracy fairly quickly and turned it into a police state. Or like Hungary/Poland, where the white supremacists are putting in their own form of disaster capitalism/police state.

Its just wishful thinking to think that some new Bernie Sanders is going to be able to undo all the Trump crap, while Trump is busy installing national and permanent gerrymandering to keep the republicans in power. Trump will be gone soon, but Pence will do more of the same.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/donald-trump-thomas-brunell-census-bureau
You think the gerrymandering is because of Trump? That's done my friend. And btw has nothing to do with federal politics. Its all at the state level. All of it.

Every single nation you mentioned is a small state with a history of either dictators or being conquered. And has never had a history of stable transition of power.

The USA does.

And no it won t just be a Bernie. It will also have to be at the district level. The state level. The municipal level.

It's called the long haul.
 

Butler1000

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Personally, yes. I'd take either of them as a temporary measure over Trump.
Then with all due respect you haven't done your homework. Especially about Pence.
 

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Then with all due respect you haven't done your homework. Especially about Pence.
And you obviously haven't learned from your eerily similar and glaring willful blindness from the not to distant past.

Rob Ford on steroids.
 

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This is laughable. There's no case, the ISIS is defeated, the economy is doing well and all the pre election predictions turned out to be complete bs. In 3 to 7 years Trump will be gone and we'll have another Armageddon to cry about.
 

Anbarandy

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In addition to Sec. of State, Rex Tillerson calling Trump a 'fucking moron', Gary Cohn the Director of the National Economic Council and chief economic advisor to President Donald Trump pulled the 'we have a bad connection' ruse on Trump to get away from talking with the idiot on the phone.

Roaring laughter!
 

Butler1000

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And you obviously haven't learned from your eerily similar and glaring willful blindness from the not to distant past.

Rob Ford on steroids.
A big ol apple and much larger orange actually.

There is very little in common between the circumstances of their election and what befell Ford.

And until it happens to Trump you are jumping the gun.
 
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